A lot of people are making positive comments on the various player threads. Nothing wrong with this thread being a bit quieter whilst that’s happening.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
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We’re improving and he deserves all the accolades for the recent results. Great stuff today.
It’s that old adage. Complainants are always more vocal than advocates.
A very well deserved win, good stuff by the gaffer. 
Need to go the distance in the Europa League now. Champions League qualification would be a real shot in the arm for this project.
The fullbacks are just deep lying wingers, of course they going to be pressed no matter what the formation is. It’s on the midfield and defence to give them an option when they have the ball.
Finally a game in which I can say, good job Amorim. We looked good and it was a very enjoyable match.
Agree fully with this.
Hope not, that would mean we had a worst transfer window in history
Can't win anything with kids.
Agreed. Amorin said the difference was how physical we were. They were a small technical team who barely pressed.
Twice in 2021. Beat Sociedad and Granada by 4 over
Actually won a game. Crazy stuff.
There clearly is improvement to be seen. Add to the team that played yesterday Martinez, Shaw, Mount and Amad who in theory are all among the best players we got and suddenly there might be light at the end of the tunnel.
A bunch of players that are not fitting out and 3-4 in and with a bit of luck when it comes to injury we could look much sharper.
A bunch of players that are not fitting out and 3-4 in and with a bit of luck when it comes to injury we could look much sharper.
Shaw doesn't get into the team if Martinez is fit as they both play at LCB. Play Shaw at wing back and you'll see Dorgu warming up within 10 minutes cause Shaw broke down again after 2 runs.
Would get injured getting of the bus, Dorgu the future, Shaw should leave in summer
We are improving.
That was one of the best attacking performances under Amorim. Really happy with the way we played.
Interestingly, it coincided with what I would say the best game for Zirkzee and Hojlund this season.
This is what I want to see till the end of the season, build momentum going into next season.
Interestingly, it coincided with what I would say the best game for Zirkzee and Hojlund this season.
This is what I want to see till the end of the season, build momentum going into next season.
Shaw and Mount should be sold at the first bargain opportunity opening up in the summer. We need to be more harsh with our material, you can’t build a consistent starting 11 with crotched sportsmen involved. They are done. Question only is how many years and millions we want to drag them on cause we are so nice.
Its great to wake up and feel positive about united for a change.
Real Betis two years ago.
I never doubted him. Good things will come
In that sense it is an improvement. Needless to say, we were poor enough for ten minutes to give them a goal.
We need to come out of the blocks more composed. Our players seem slow to react to the opponents tactics.
Let’s not get too carried away, against better opposition like Lyon and especially Bilbao (who for me are favourites for the competition) we would struggle to get control of the game and missing so many chances is the real issue of Ruben’s team so far.
Zirkzee is improving on the pitch but both Hojlund and Zirkzee need shooting practice, they both miss far too many chances, the good news is they seemed to have at least formed a bond and a partnership that hopefully will start to show some rewards to the end of the season.
Amorim has got the defence and second line of four looking more compact and in unison however our front three just don’t score enough goals.
Potentially the club could still play 15 games this season and Ruben should sit down with Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnaucho and just make them watch video after video of the chances they’ve missed and how selfish Garnaucho has been.
So far this season ;
Garnaucho - GP(44) Goals (8)Assists (8)
Hojlund - GP(38) Goals (7) Assists (2)
Zirkzee - GP(43) Goals(6) Assists(2)
That’s 21 goals at approximately 1 goal in 5 for Hojlund and Garnaucho and 1 in 7 for Zirkzee.
For context Amad was 9 goals in 36 or 1 in 4 plus 7 assists so 1 in 2.4 for a goal involvement.
Bruno 43 matches 15 goals 13 assists is 1 goal in 2.86 or 1 in 1.53 games for a goal involvement. Time to give Bruno the love he deserves, he’s so much better deeper in the team as well.
Ruben and his coaching staff just need to improve the front three to finish strongly, target all three of them at 1 goal in 2 matches.
That would give all of them another 6 to 7 goals and guarantee the team finishes very strongly, if Hojlund can’t do this play Chido.
Zirkzee is improving on the pitch but both Hojlund and Zirkzee need shooting practice, they both miss far too many chances, the good news is they seemed to have at least formed a bond and a partnership that hopefully will start to show some rewards to the end of the season.
Amorim has got the defence and second line of four looking more compact and in unison however our front three just don’t score enough goals.
Potentially the club could still play 15 games this season and Ruben should sit down with Hojlund, Zirkzee and Garnaucho and just make them watch video after video of the chances they’ve missed and how selfish Garnaucho has been.
So far this season ;
Garnaucho - GP(44) Goals (8)Assists (8)
Hojlund - GP(38) Goals (7) Assists (2)
Zirkzee - GP(43) Goals(6) Assists(2)
That’s 21 goals at approximately 1 goal in 5 for Hojlund and Garnaucho and 1 in 7 for Zirkzee.
For context Amad was 9 goals in 36 or 1 in 4 plus 7 assists so 1 in 2.4 for a goal involvement.
Bruno 43 matches 15 goals 13 assists is 1 goal in 2.86 or 1 in 1.53 games for a goal involvement. Time to give Bruno the love he deserves, he’s so much better deeper in the team as well.
Ruben and his coaching staff just need to improve the front three to finish strongly, target all three of them at 1 goal in 2 matches.
That would give all of them another 6 to 7 goals and guarantee the team finishes very strongly, if Hojlund can’t do this play Chido.
I think Sociedad tried looking at last night but they couldn’t sustain it and ended up dropping off even with 11 v 11. There were big mismatches in terms of pace which it’s nice to be on the right side of for once. There was even a point that General Zirkzee absolutely rinsed someone for pace which was beautiful. If ever there was a chance to build up some confidence it’s now with Leicester next.
The foundarions of something are definitely there. Even just looking at Dorgu and Heaven last night ok it's early days still with the two of them but both of the potential to be very important signings if they keep progressing as they are. They're his signings
No one knows wtf this team will do at this moment. But a game like yesterday shows the players are a lot better than ‚14th place PL, this squad can‘t do better‘ nonsense spouted on here.
Signings like ZZ, Mazraoui and De Ligt looking great. Even Højlund looks like he might turn his bad form around.
Dorgu looking like a good signing, but raw. Heaven looks like a great signing.
Before we can challenge for anything, we need more goals from Garnacho, Højlund and ZZ, and start games better than we‘ve been. I‘d argue to get competition in for Garnacho, who needs to improve a lot.
With the right signings (rwb, st, cam/winger) I expect we can target 4th place next season.
And Bruno, has been fecking disrespected by the Caf. Our best player by far.
Signings like ZZ, Mazraoui and De Ligt looking great. Even Højlund looks like he might turn his bad form around.
Dorgu looking like a good signing, but raw. Heaven looks like a great signing.
Before we can challenge for anything, we need more goals from Garnacho, Højlund and ZZ, and start games better than we‘ve been. I‘d argue to get competition in for Garnacho, who needs to improve a lot.
With the right signings (rwb, st, cam/winger) I expect we can target 4th place next season.
And Bruno, has been fecking disrespected by the Caf. Our best player by far.
Lyon, Bilbao and someone good in the final. It's very tricky and will need loads of preparation but come on lads, you can do it!!!
We look far better when the wing backs are on their natural side and we have the option of them providing the width so the two behind the striker can support or go beyond the striker, it also meant Hojlund was able to attack space in the channels due to the two behind him going beyond him but still have options out wide.
I’ve been critical of the system on here a fair bit but will always admit when I’m wrong and last night showed that the system can work, it does need wing backs on their natural side but last night was promising if we can play to that level and everyone in their best positions.
I’ve been critical of the system on here a fair bit but will always admit when I’m wrong and last night showed that the system can work, it does need wing backs on their natural side but last night was promising if we can play to that level and everyone in their best positions.
It really is hard to tell as Sociedad were very poor. One thing that does seem clear is that, whatever problems exist in the squad, the greatest one is mentality.
100%
Bilbao are huge favourites in this competition and most idiots expect a Spurs vs United final, just can’t see it?
I think only one will get to the SF, Bilbao are a huge problem especially in a 2 leg knock out.
Lyon are also a very good side as well and will cause us problems, hopefully we have 3/4 weeks to get more players back like Harry Maguire, Kobbie, Mason and Lenny Yoro for those two games.
Luke shaw you can write off for the season and if he’s not fit for pre season we need to offer him a free contract to leave and advise him on playing in Italy or Spain in a less intense league, just get his wages off the balance sheet. He’s suppose to be back May but that’s unrealistic with how much football he’s missed this year.
Agree with most of this however he only ever used a natural left footer on the left hand side at sporting the right sided wing back was always inverted left. Maybe Ruben has adapted and realised, especially at old Trafford which is one of the widest pitches that he needs to use all the width of the pitch to create more opportunities. Not only was Mazroui, Dalot , Garnaucho all right footed for the right sided but Heaven, Dorgu are both left footed and Zirzkee definitely two footed.
He might Change that in the summer though and go back to a left footed 10 and a left footed right wing back. His sporting team were so dominant in Portugal that sometimes the Right sided CB who was right footed would be the overlap and the guy to cut back the ball into a multiple attacking options.
Yesterday was much better but against very modest opposition. He is now able to try and do something he’s never done before in his career and try and get to a European Semi Final.
When you say huge favourites, they're 10/3 and United are 15/4...
The reality is we have a number of good but not great teams left (us included) and then some we mostly are confident will not get through; Bodo, Rangers.
Lazio, Bilbao, Spurs and I'd argue Frankfurt could easily beat us if we turn up and aren't at it. I am hopeful against Lyon, have watched them a few times this year and think we will get a lot of joy against them.
In Amorims first season he used Mendes and Porro as WBs, with a left footer and a right footer.
He has also shown this with Dorgu & Dalot playing multiple times.
I thought also having a Left footed WB & CB meant more passing angles and helped our build up play, which also stretched the pitch taking advantage of Zubimendis lack of pace to cover spaces.
He might go to an inverted RWB with Amad or a new signing, who knows.
This is certainly the best I have seen us play under Amorim, yes we can only beat what is in front of us and are far stronger tests in EL to come, I certainly liked the interplay and fast paced 1 2s, hopefully this is a sign of things to come.
Whatever he has worked on with Hojlund worked wonders last night, looked a constant threat, hopefully this is the turn around he has been needing.
Your looking at SKY bet or another British bookie, in Europe they would be more like 5/2 and the field is 5/1 bar them.
Fourth in la liga, practically guaranteed CL football next season and a very difficult team to break down; let’s compare their record this season with ours in all competitions.
Athletico Bilbao - Played 40, Won 20 Drawn 12, Lost 8, Goals Scored 64, Goals against 35. They conceed less than 1 goal per game.
Man United - Played 45, won 18, Drawn 14, lost 13, Goals Scored 74, Goals conceded 58
The reality is we conceded to many goals to probably win Europa League however if we can get the attacking players finally firing we do have a chance, but we are from favourites ,maybe in name only but definitely not this current team performances on the pitch.
A bit disingenuous (if not completely useless) to compare stats across leagues like this, given the relative quality of the average Premier League team compared to La Liga.
Bilbao would not be fourth in the Premier League.
This made me laugh last night: speechless
Agree that it's going to be a very tough route to the final. As already stated, Lyon and Bilbao are no mugs and I can see us losing to either clubs. If we do get to the final, and spurs make it, we haven't beaten them in 3 games this season so I'm not confident there either.
Yeah, but we're slowly becoming a different kind of team, now that the players are finally starting to understand how they should play in this system. Individually and collectively.
We don’t know that, especially when Forrest are currently third and we continue to beat the PL Drum yet last year no PL team won in Europe and this year I could easily see a La Liga clean sheet with Real/Barca, Atleti and Betis beating Chelsea in ECL, as a group of people on a tiny island we really need to lose the football arrogance, if the PL is so strong why are Liverpool wining at a canter, where as Serie A and La Liga can still be won by 3 or 4 different teams.
Our mid teams have improved yes but when they are faced with two competitive games per week they will drop in the EPL too, we’ve seen it with Newcastle, Brighton and Villa in the last two years alone.
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