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Funilly enough, a football manager is very simillar to hip hop DJ. Mixing it all up. The only question remains whether Amorim is going to achieve as much success with United as DJ Alamo has done with Brand Nubian.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Funilly enough, a football manager is very simillar to hip hop DJ. Mixing it all up. The only question remains whether Amorim is going to achieve as much success with United as DJ Alamo has done with Brand Nubian.
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I expect he'll repeat such an answer when asked about Rashford in the future.
I agree with 100/100 things he says, he seem to be very clever about his statements or the way he thinks. Elanga quote or in game analysis. He knows what we are missing, I wasn't so sure about a manager for a long time, but we are on a good way. Just give him 3,4 players he needs. I am sure we will progress massively. He's just very limited now playing his progressive style with kids and raw players like Garnacho, Dorgu, Hojlund and legless midfield, after all Zirzkee is slow as feck too.
BTW yersterday I thought the same, we kept the ball moving very fast but our front players were just really really poor, having someone like Gyokeres and Cunha, we turn this game around, other than that, crisp passing and a gameplan, just not good enough quality in the front.
Someone compared this to LVG, that is so far from the truth, we moved the ball three times slower than this and much closer to our goalkeeper. This was easily winnable game on another day.
We pretty much dominated very in-form Forrest away from home , they are not punching for Champions league for nothing. Under ETH we would have 50% possession and 2 shots on goal away from home. Better quality of players up front and we create higher quality chances and convert a couple more.
BTW yersterday I thought the same, we kept the ball moving very fast but our front players were just really really poor, having someone like Gyokeres and Cunha, we turn this game around, other than that, crisp passing and a gameplan, just not good enough quality in the front.
Someone compared this to LVG, that is so far from the truth, we moved the ball three times slower than this and much closer to our goalkeeper. This was easily winnable game on another day.
We pretty much dominated very in-form Forrest away from home , they are not punching for Champions league for nothing. Under ETH we would have 50% possession and 2 shots on goal away from home. Better quality of players up front and we create higher quality chances and convert a couple more.
Also he didn't sell Elanga so why should it bother him that much. He might be a bit annoyed that ETH sold him and got Antony who is now out of the club as well. Yet Elanga might just suit the Forest style and not so much ours.
Huge strides in the last few weeks.
I have been totally consistent in saying performances are more important than results and we have comprehensively outplayed three good teams in consecutive matches (Arsenal, Sociedad and Forest)
I accept we only won one of those, but that's because our best attacker is missing and Hojlund and Garnacho are currently miles off the standard required.
Players can be replaced, so the fact most of the team us functioning very well is a big positive step
I have been totally consistent in saying performances are more important than results and we have comprehensively outplayed three good teams in consecutive matches (Arsenal, Sociedad and Forest)
I accept we only won one of those, but that's because our best attacker is missing and Hojlund and Garnacho are currently miles off the standard required.
Players can be replaced, so the fact most of the team us functioning very well is a big positive step
Thought last night again showed promise. Again it is the forward positions where there is a big problem. Agree with you that they need to sort that in the summer or we will have the same issue next season.
Been finding the positions of our 10s absolutely awful recently.
Under Amorims system he needs 10s to attack the space between the striker and the wing backs in to the penalty area but for example yesterday, Dalot was so isolated at times and all he could do was cross it as he can't beat a man. I'm not a fan of his but one of his strengths are give and gos and he just isn't given the opportunity. Doesn't help the strikers either as they are also too isolated. Zirkzee and Bruno just drop deep too much. I really hope mount can stay fit and perform and we get someone else in in the summer and drop Bruno back.
Under Amorims system he needs 10s to attack the space between the striker and the wing backs in to the penalty area but for example yesterday, Dalot was so isolated at times and all he could do was cross it as he can't beat a man. I'm not a fan of his but one of his strengths are give and gos and he just isn't given the opportunity. Doesn't help the strikers either as they are also too isolated. Zirkzee and Bruno just drop deep too much. I really hope mount can stay fit and perform and we get someone else in in the summer and drop Bruno back.
Obviously things havent started well and there wont be many who are happy with how its gone up to this point, but i dont see many who are blindly accepting our current status was/is my point.
I don't know what he would be annoyed about, was he that good when he was here? I don't remember being pissed we sold him at the time and maybe I'm mistaken, I don't remember an up roar here either. Elanga has just found his level, kind of reminds me of Zaha.
That was why I said he might just suit Forest's style and less pressure. I mentioned in another post that quite often these younger players get brought into the squad due to injuries rather than insane talent, when really they needed to go out on loan to develop further or even develop elsewhere. They come in and the club builds them up beyond their ability and then lo and behold in a lot of cases reward them beyond their ability as well, so we end up stuck with them. In a way we did Elanga a big favour.
I agree, I'm not disagreeing. I added on to my post, but obviously too late. "Elanga has just found his level, kind of reminds me of Zaha."
If his level is top four team I'd take some of that right now.
Yeah, I wasn't and am still not disappointed he was sold. He's progressed well but still isn't what we need under this manager. Just journalists being arses.
This is just dependent on the players you have though. It can actually be incredibly attacking depending on the players you have.
I definitely like that response.
In future he should just say "It's great he's doing it there. He didn't do it here though, which is why he's now there. Next question"
In future he should just say "It's great he's doing it there. He didn't do it here though, which is why he's now there. Next question"
The result was not good, but we definitely looked more like a team yesterday.
Fecked ourselves early on by not defending a counter decisively and by not being able to finish off any chances.
PL is unforgiving. We don‘t have enough speed and trickery up front lately and Dorgu/Garnacho were poor.
We look better though, we were the better team yesterday.
Fecked ourselves early on by not defending a counter decisively and by not being able to finish off any chances.
PL is unforgiving. We don‘t have enough speed and trickery up front lately and Dorgu/Garnacho were poor.
We look better though, we were the better team yesterday.
This a poor take.
He did not play much under ETH at all (he started 5 PL games in 22/23 and then was sold) so that is factually wrong.
With Ragnick he had half a season where he was trusted and generally did very well, started 14 PL games, 2 goals, 2 assists and worked his ass off + people were very positive on his potential at the time, he was like 19.
Whether or not he'd suit our current style of play, I'm not sure unless he was open to being an RWB. But stick him in a counter attacking team who play direct football and he is an asset. This forum writes players of before they hit their early twenties, look into all the threads on our younger players - they're all apparently shite.
I think if I had to sum up where we are now it would be:
There's a lot less wrong with us than there has been wrong for a very long time. The things that are still wrong (attacking third mainly) can be fixed by player upgrades rather than tactical / system changes. Manager has built a solid foundation upon which to build a much better team in the future. Obviously, getting the recruitment right will speed up the process. i suspect 2-3 upgrades per window plus current young players maturing would put us on course to have a title challenge the season after next.
There's a lot less wrong with us than there has been wrong for a very long time. The things that are still wrong (attacking third mainly) can be fixed by player upgrades rather than tactical / system changes. Manager has built a solid foundation upon which to build a much better team in the future. Obviously, getting the recruitment right will speed up the process. i suspect 2-3 upgrades per window plus current young players maturing would put us on course to have a title challenge the season after next.
Just watched Mark Goldbridge's post match analyisis or whatever. I know that guy is dumb as a bag of nails, but i still did not like the fact that he literally blames everyone except Amorim. Glazers are shite, Ratcliffe is shite, INEOS are shite, players are shite only Amorim knows how to do things right. Like the portuguese is the god of football. I'm not against Amorim at all but still, he is just a promising young coach nothing more. Winning the portuguese league where he had to compete only 2 other teams basically (and he had the best, most valuable squad by far) isn't something why anyone should think he is the new Guardiola or Klopp or Ancelotti. The team performs badly, but it isn't just down to the players for sure. We have to accept the fact that Amorim is still learning the art of coaching too and that's why he is possibly our next failure too. Honestly hope he won't be.
This is a poor take.
Between 2021 and 2023 Anthony Elanga made 53 appearances for Manchester United (yes many as sub) that is more than enough for me to give an opinion on his performance levels.
He worked hard but was shite technically. Most people on here thought he was shite and limited and there were no major qualms against him being sold.
I literally just said he’s a standout player in a team built like Forest: But he didn’t make it at United and he wouldn’t make it at a team who play in a different manner to Forest.
It's fine if you have that opinion on him, but no need to be defensive and become completely illogical.
You're essentially saying you saw a teenager start 21 PL games across 3 seasons and actually play less minutes than that would suggest (he only played about 19 games worth in total) and were able to form a strong opinion on his general ability...
I am starting to think that our lack of #10 is more catastrophic than the lack of an experienced striker. If we put Amad and Cunha instead of Garnacho and Zirkzee, we may actually look like a top 4 level team.
We've said it many times over last 5 months but really like the way Amorim communicates and is honest in interviews. And he's right: bad result but solid performance. At this stage I prefer that to some flukey win. Forest were no doubt tired to extent because of the Fa Cup game but they're 3rd best team in league this season and none of Liverpool/Arsenal/City managed to beat them at City Ground this season either.
This game goes on that list of promising performances we've had so far under Amorim, alongside City and Liverpool away, Sociedad home and away, Arsenal second half at home and possibly few others.
This game goes on that list of promising performances we've had so far under Amorim, alongside City and Liverpool away, Sociedad home and away, Arsenal second half at home and possibly few others.
Yes .Most beautifully put. We have too many of us look at players that have left with red tinted glasses.
Agree with this. Garnacho is getting some stick for his inconsistency, and whether or not he'll ever go on to be a great player is another debate, but you look at where he was in EtH's first season and it's miles better than anything Elanga produced when he was here. There was no 'hype' or excitement with Elanga. He just didn't show very much, sadly.
You really can’t sustain this coach any longer, right? Many players are mediocre at best and yet his methods are clearly making them even worse and results are atrocious. There is no way any club can buy 15-20 round pegs to make one round peg work, the other way round is waaaay simpler: get a square peg coach to work with square pegs.
I think Zirkzee offers something in the 10 long term, Garnacho is always going to be a hot and cold player.
Amorim was the cause of the lack of attacking threat yesterday having played 5 defensive players across the midfield and defence. The omission of Bruno from the midfield was a stupid decision. Fernandes has been the most outstanding player in the team when he's in the double pivot. It's less of a risk given there's three center defenders behind the midfield.
It's only further proof that the injuries the team were faced with forced Amorim to adopt a different approach. I reckon if Ugarte was still unavailable the team would potentially have won the game yesterday.
There have been improvements in recent weeks however it comes from such a low baseline to begin with. I don't think Amorim has progressed enough this season, given the length of his contract and the amount of growth that is necessary next season (as he'll be under more scrutiny from INEOS) he's almost given himself to big a gap to bridge in such a constrained amount of time.
Not winning two consecutive games in a domestic league is diabolical for a Manchester United manager.
It’s nothing to do with ‘round pegs’. It’s a poor squad. Adding a good manager to a poor squad won’t turn them into good players.
True but that's not the situation, Amorim is not the good manager subjectively in this take.
He's an unproven one having only shown promise in his career in one league and one competitive environment. Too small of a sample size to objectively be labelled good.
What we are seeing is more synonymous with unproven manager + average squad with a poor attack.
With almost ten places available for european football, it’s madness you aren’t getting one, even at the lowest tier.
Whats that got to do with anything. Do we want to become a top team again? If we do then holding onto average to decent players like Elanga doesn't make any sense. I think we should also be selling Garnacho in the summer honestly.
I'm not losing patience with the manager, I'm just frustrated with our situation. The people convinced that Ruben is going to turn all of these losses into wins when he gets X, Y and Z players hopefully are right. Or else we're in for another world of pain next season. The football has definitely improved anyway so that's a positive.
We should be in a better position on the table for sure, nobody can genuinely deny that.
Shows the money in the premier league I suppose.
Things can change quickly in football. Forest were 17th last season and finished on 36 points (32 with deductions). They're now looking likely to finish 3rd and in the CL places with a similar squad, only a couple of additions.
I don't expect United to propel up the league to challenge next season but wouldn't be surprised with additions to the squad they could be in the European spots.
To be fair to Garnacho, he's out of position.
Last season he had 10G, 5A as an LW season in about 40 full games. Not amazing but not bad at all for someone of his age. That's why i think he'll be sold, same with Mainoo, if Ineos are determined to back Amorim then he needs different players.
Agreed entirely. We've clearly a way to go but it's heartening to see clear signs of progress and the formation starting to click.
I am hopeful he will end the season with a late flourish and we'll get a bit of a glimpse of the future that we can buy into (for example, if we play like yesterday against a team who wants to be on the ball it will be very promising) but so far it's been far worse than everyone's worst estimations. If the form continues as it has done, with our only wins of recent times being against relegation teams + one win against Fulham back in Jan, I can't see how he survives.
I look at the remaining PL fixtures: City, Newcastle, Wolves, Bmouth, Brentford, WHUM, Chelsea, Villa and even in the darker days of Ragnick and ETH you'd back us to pick up scrappy wins vs a few of those teams. Now I genuinely don't think people would be surprised if we lost all but the Wolves/WHUM games.
Whether he is a good manager or not isn’t relevant to the point.
Its quite clear the squad needs a rebuild and Ruben needs to be showing the person with the chequebook that he is the right man to be trusted to lead that rebuild but so far he isnt doing that, if he wants to be hear next season he needs to start showing he can get something consistant out of the players he has already got.
Actually Amorim changed his system so Garnacho could play more LW instead of central attacking midfielder, which makes that Dorgu had to come more inside what didn’t go very well yesterday. I don’t know what’s up with Garnacho and why he was so shit yesterday, but it wasn’t his position yesterday. Maybe he’s just not happy and wants out.