Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

pcaming said:
All I will say is the constant manager riders have been proven wrong every single time.

Amorim will not turn this around, just as EtH didn’t, like Ole and Mourinho and LVG before him. His tenure is worst than moyes and ragnick.

His system is poor and his stubbornness is worse. If he could have trained the team effectively if he came in the summer, then there was no reason to throw away this season as he has done.

He doesn’t know what to do. He is a 1 trick pony and his trick has failed spectacularly, and will do so next season as well. It’s as obvious as was the case with eth in the summer.
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You can turn that around and say sacking managers hasn't helped either.
I'd agree that amorim wont turn it around just like any of the others because they're not the problem. They might be a problem but it'll take more than 5 months to find out and they'll never succeed without vast improvements elsewhere.
 
FortunaUtd said:
My question was how you can claim Xavi is a more experienced manager than Amorim when he obviously isn't. Guess the fact that you change the subject to Xavi's playing career and being a "winner" means you're conceding the point.
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He won la liga, that is a far superior achievement to wining in Portugal twice. Especially with Barcelona not being able to spend money that season.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
I’ll ask a question for the doubters: whom do you think will get us back to being title contenders? Whom do you think will be able to finally break the cycle of getting top four and then falling off? Because that is what we are aiming for, and that is what we need. Nothing less.
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I’d rip your arm off for a manager who could get us top 10 at the moment to be honest.

You do understand that if this form continues next season he’ll have to be sacked or we’d be relegated? I dont think its being a ‘doubter’ to point out that actually, we’ve got even worse since he took charge and I dont think a couple of signings are going to solve much of what is going on game in game out
 
TMDaines said:
Did some research, so here’s a stat: since United won at the Etihad on 15th December 2024, they have beaten only one PL team from outside the relegation zone in 16 attempts. Only other wins vs PL opposition in that time were versus Ipswich, Soton and Leicester (x2).
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Not that surprising considering we only went into 4 of those games as pre match favourites at close to evens.

The biggest 'shock' (pre match odds) was losing to Palace at home who have since been one of the most in form teams in the league.
 
What will be the excuse if we lose to Wolves next week and they end up at same point as us? They are on four games winning streak and its not beyond impossible outcome.
 
This is a wasted season when Ineos decided to keep ETH. Even if Amorim came to United in the summer, I am 100% sure that he will struggle. Amorim will struggle next season and the season after as well even if we buy 3-4 players. Ineos is buying very young and raw players. Amorim is not a miracles worker, he cannot make them good players overnight. Dorgu, Hoijund, Zirkzee, Leny, Garnacho, Mainoo are not world-class and some may not even improve (Hoijund). This is a process that everyone needs to recognise. If the players doesn't improve in the next 3 years, Amorim will definitely be sack. Only hope to win the European cup, get into champion league and help to improve finance, hopefully able to rebuilt faster. Expect to be out of champion league in 2027 again.
 
Nep77 said:
What will be the excuse if we lose to Wolves next week and they end up at same point as us? They are on four games winning streak and its not beyond impossible outcome.
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The same excuses?
Nothings going to change in a week. We'll still have a keeper gifting teams goals and forwards who cant score. There'll probably be some drama with the club.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
We’re still better in performances than we were under EtH. Way better. It’s just that our luck has caught up with us.
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We arnt though, under ETH we finished 3rd in his first season then in his 2nd season we finished 8th despite our squad being destroyed by injuries most of the season and unable to play the sane back 4 in 2 consecutive games.
 
The mistake was hiring a successful manager mid season, then not giving him any funds for the January window and probably very little over the summer. This again is on Ratcliffe and the Glazers.
 
Jezpeza said:
I’d rip your arm off for a manager who could get us top 10 at the moment to be honest.

You do understand that if this form continues next season he’ll have to be sacked or we’d be relegated? I dont think its being a ‘doubter’ to point out that actually, we’ve got even worse since he took charge and I dont think a couple of signings are going to solve much of what is going on game in game out
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I wouldn’t rip an arm off for that. I want somebody who can get us to be title challengers. No less.
 
Gavinb33 said:
Did you expect it to be this bad?



The formation is part of the problem because the spare man is almost always a center half or WB these players are not players you want as your spare man, you can tell that by looking where the majority of our possession is, the formation depends on the defenders to play a more crucial part in the build up than just funneling the ball through midfield as the midfield is always outnumbered
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Yes. The moment we didn't sack ETH after the FA Cup final I knew this season was a right off.
 
Salford_Red83 said:
Yes. The moment we didn't sack ETH after the FA Cup final I knew this season was a right off.
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Spot on, which is why SJR and Berada know this season is on them, because they created the conditions for the new manager to struggle. Next season will be the first where we will actually have a more plausible sense of what Amorim is actually capable of.
 
Nice thing about posting in a forum is that you can actually look back and check what your expectations were at the time:

Personally, I don't care how we do in either the league or cups specifically.

But what I'd like to see is whatever the style of play for the next several years is supposed to be getting implemented straight away. No compromising on that for the sake of short term results, just start doing what we want to do and get better at it.

And hopefully in doing so do well enough to underline that ETH was underperforming with this squad.
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Guess I should be kinda happy, as we could hardly have picked a manager more determined to stick to his approach from Day 1. Just a shame about the "underline that ETH was underperforming" part. :(

Can't wait for this season to be over.
 
Salford_Red83 said:
Yes. The moment we didn't sack ETH after the FA Cup final I knew this season was a right off.
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Same for me. It went against any sane judgement of Ten Hag's performance, the result of it this season is no surprise whatsoever.
 
I lost faith in him a while ago and highly doubt he turns this around.

Happy to be proven wrong, but this system inherently has a lower ceiling.
 
thisisnottaken1 said:
I’ll ask a question for the doubters: whom do you think will get us back to being title contenders? Whom do you think will be able to finally break the cycle of getting top four and then falling off? Because that is what we are aiming for, and that is what we need. Nothing less.
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Top 4? This guy is struggling to get us top 10 with the current squad and more than half a season available with him. Let me ask you this then - do you think he will magically get us to play football good enough to get us top 4 next season?

This notion that we have to bear this horrible form as it’s somehow going to be a precursor to amazing league winning performances in 1-2 years is based on blind hope and maybe a tinge of tiredness at the change of managers we have seen (which is not even the worst In the league)
 
Woziak said:
He won la liga, that is a far superior achievement to wining in Portugal twice. Especially with Barcelona not being able to spend money that season.
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Perhaps compare the number of titles Sporting has won in the last 20 years pre Amorim compared to Barcelona, then you’ll realise what a nonsense argument you’re making.
 
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NK86 said:
Top 4? This guy is struggling to get us top 10 with the current squad and more than half a season available with him. Let me ask you this then - do you think he will magically get us to play football good enough to get us top 4 next season?

This notion that we have to bear this horrible form as it’s somehow going to be a precursor to amazing league winning performances in 1-2 years is based on blind hope and maybe a tinge of tiredness at the change of managers we have seen (which is not even the worst In the league)
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We have to bear the remainder of the season because we’re currently relying on 3 attackers that have collectively scored 10 goals all season. I don’t care if you’re Pep or Klopp, you’re not doing anything when you can’t score. Then throw in the fact we have no reliable keeper and we have geriatrics as part of our midfield depth and it’s pretty clear why we’re struggling.
 
NK86 said:
Top 4? This guy is struggling to get us top 10 with the current squad and more than half a season available with him. Let me ask you this then - do you think he will magically get us to play football good enough to get us top 4 next season?

This notion that we have to bear this horrible form as it’s somehow going to be a precursor to amazing league winning performances in 1-2 years is based on blind hope and maybe a tinge of tiredness at the change of managers we have seen (which is not even the worst In the league)
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The idea that we'll be a top 4 side under any manager any time soon is far fetched.

Outside Leicester you'll struggle to find any examples of a PL team having underlying stats of a solid bottom half side one season to being one of the best the next.

It's just not going to happen without a huge overhaul of the squad whoever the manager is.
 
This season was a write off from the start and I'm sure they've told him as much when he got the job as otherwise I doubt he'd have taken the risk of coming here when he was already on the course for likely another league title.

However if after a full pre season and with the chance to get some players suitable to his style the performances still refuse to improve after a month or two of next season than we should seriously consider an early separation.
 
stepic said:
We have to bear the remainder of the season because we’re currently relying on 3 attackers that have collectively scored 10 goals all season. I don’t care if you’re Pep or Klopp, you’re not doing anything when you can’t score. Then throw in the fact we have no reliable keeper and we have geriatrics as part of our midfield depth and it’s pretty clear why we’re struggling.
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It is not like we are creating a host of chances for the striker who is struggling. We are not really great in any part of the field but the most pressing issue is the set up where our midfield is overrun constantly and despite playing 5 defenders and at least 1 DM, we are almost always under the hammer. Any team with decent intensity constantly presses us into mistakes. You think a decent manager will not be able to implement a style where we can at least play ourselves out of trouble? Even Everton showed a lot of improvement since Moyes came in but I assume it’s only tough for poor ol’ Ruben.

It seems like all problems are the squad and he is getting a free pass from so many fans who want him to be the answer rather than anything tangible we see on the pitch.
 
I was delighted when we appointed him. Still delighted we have him. Quality coach, but we must get our recruitment right. Any manager is only as good as the quality of players he has at his disposal.
 
Leftback99 said:
The idea that we'll be a top 4 side under any manager any time soon is far fetched.

Outside Leicester you'll struggle to find any examples of a PL team having underlying stats of a solid bottom half side one season to being one of the best the next.

It's just not going to happen without a huge overhaul of the squad whoever the manager is.
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Why do you think we have the stats of a bottom half team? Is it all down to the squad?

Bottom line is a good manager can actually extract something semblance of a style from most players. He may not be able to get them to play like prime Barca or Liverpool, but a style can be implemented rather quickly and evidently.

Currently, there is no style or substance on the pitch and the players are getting all the blame when the fact is the manager is trying to get them to play in a way which has not suited anyone and that style has not shown much success in the league either. When you are constantly struggling to score, to prevent opposition from getting in dangerous positions multiple times over, or to have any semblance of control anywhere on the pitch - it points to much deeper than “the players are not good enough”. No matter how awful you think they are, in no universe is this team only the 15th best team in the league in terms of squad.
 
We went into this season with a novice forward and bought another novice forward that together cost £109 million. Neither had set the world alight at their previous clubs and both very young.
Fergies successful reign started with having 2-4 very good to WC strikers in their prime at all time. No manager since had this option and we wonder why we dont score and win games.
Amorim came in 'cold' in November with Utd in 12th place, and in January has only had one player, (I doubt he picked), bought for him. The other was a developmental player that had to be played because of injuries and unbelievably he stepped up to the plate.
Lets judge him after a summer preseason and hopefully a fruitful transfer window, in and out. If were still lower than 7th next season then he can be called out. Thats what he asked for when he was given the ultimatum; its now or never.
 
pcaming said:
All I will say is the constant manager riders have been proven wrong every single time.

Amorim will not turn this around, just as EtH didn’t, like Ole and Mourinho and LVG before him. His tenure is worst than moyes and ragnick.

His system is poor and his stubbornness is worse. If he could have trained the team effectively if he came in the summer, then there was no reason to throw away this season as he has done.

He doesn’t know what to do. He is a 1 trick pony and his trick has failed spectacularly, and will do so next season as well. It’s as obvious as was the case with eth in the summer.
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He’ll be sacked before Christmas is my prediction. Next season will be another right off.

We just have to hope and pray that the players coming in this summer aren’t specific to this ridiculous system.
 
NK86 said:
Why do you think we have the stats of a bottom half team? Is it all down to the squad?

Bottom line is a good manager can actually extract something semblance of a style from most players. He may not be able to get them to play like prime Barca or Liverpool, but a style can be implemented rather quickly and evidently.

Currently, there is no style or substance on the pitch and the players are getting all the blame when the fact is the manager is trying to get them to play in a way which has not suited anyone and that style has not shown much success in the league either. When you are constantly struggling to score, to prevent opposition from getting in dangerous positions multiple times over, or to have any semblance of control anywhere on the pitch - it points to much deeper than “the players are not good enough”. No matter how awful you think they are, in no universe is this team only the 15th best team in the league in terms of squad.
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We might have a top half 'squad' by depth but it's the first 11-14 that really counts and that's where we really aren't far off the 15th best team in the league.

We don't have any goalscorers, we have one top 6 level player (Bruno) and a couple of decent CBs. Relegation/championship level forwards and a historically bad goalkeeper.
 
He's in charge of one of the most brainless and weak attacks this club has had in over 30 years. We make scoring goals look like the hardest thing in the entire world.

I still back him, but the club must sort this squad out properly in the summer, or next season will be more of the same.
 
Leftback99 said:
We might have a top half 'squad' by depth but it's the first 11-14 that really counts and that's where we really aren't far off the 15th best team in the league.

We don't have any goalscorers, we have one top 6 level player (Bruno) and a couple of decent CBs. Relegation/championship level forwards and a historically bad goalkeeper.
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You are saying man for man, our first 11-14 are worse than Brentford, Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, and Everton? The same Everton who were in relegation form for most of the season!

So we will blame everyone and everything before the manager to justify our situation. That’s exactly what we have seen with every other manager before Ruben and that’s what we will continue to see well beyond him too. It’s like having average players and an awful manager are somehow mutually exclusive.

I largely agree that we need better players for top 4 and beyond. However one has to be uniquely bad to have us playing such awful football. Do you see what is this “style or pattern” which Ruben is trying to implement which will see us win the PL in 2-3 years without trying to get a Messi equivalent for every position he needs?

If a manager needs a whole new 11 before he can even show his style can deliver, then that manager is not the right choice. We have seen that with ETH and are seeing the same with Amorim. There is no shame in admitting we got it wrong, but we tend to hold on with blind hope that this time is the right time even when all the evidence points to the contrary.
 
Garethw said:
He’ll be sacked before Christmas is my prediction. Next season will be another right off.

We just have to hope and pray that the players coming in this summer aren’t specific to this ridiculous system.
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That is my biggest concern. We bend to the manager’s whim when we should have a sporting director identify what we need to implement the style of play needed at United.

Amorim or whoever comes in, needs to be given the players who will be here regardless of the manager and can work with most formations/styles which are needed for the modern game. If he cannot make it work with that, then it is better to cut loose now.
 
All the hand wringing on here despite everyone saying it did not matter. It doesn’t. Most fans know it and the players know it. The players just let it go after letting another goal in and looks like they decided it wasn’t worth chasing the game with bigger fish to fry in a few days time. feck all to do with formations. The season is/was over anyway apart from possibilities in the Europa. Try to cope with it.
 
frostbite said:
I am afraid the owners will repeat the same mistakes:

1. They found excuses to keep ETH, a manager who was failling.
2. They supported him, buying "his players", which left us with a mediocre squad.

If they do this again with Amorim, we can end up with a squad that tries to play 3-4-3, that have practized 3-4-3 for a full year ... and the next manager will need a whole new squad and time to teach them the new system! Again!

But what happens if we end up even lower next year? We are 14th with goal difference minus 7. How can anyone find excuses for this?
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Exactly my fears pal, moving round in circles, wasting season after season like it's EAFC 25 career mode. However I am confident that when we eventually get a decent manager, he would maximize the 3-4-3 players or whatever and mould them into a winning machine. Managers shouldn't be giving excuses of no preseason etc, it's over 5 months now. That's a lot of time pal to get a system working pal.
 
Ish said:
Alonso? Not sure if he qualifies as top level though. Inzaghi also plays 3 at the back, albeit with 2 forwards iirc.
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The takes on 3-4-3 in here are blisfully ignorant. 3-4-3 is the last formation to beat both Klopp and Pep to an EPL title in the same season. It won Leverkuersen an unbeaten domestic double just last season . Won Atalanta it's first European trophy. Had both Bayer and Atalanta on their first European finals. Has Inter dominating Serie A. Has had them in a UCL final. They are likely to be in a semi again this term. But according to self styled tacticos on here "the formation is useless".....
 
Xtal said:
Exactly my fears pal, moving round in circles, wasting season after season like it's EAFC 25 career mode. However I am confident that when we eventually get a decent manager, he would maximize the 3-4-3 players or whatever and mould them into a winning machine. Managers shouldn't be giving excuses of no preseason etc, it's over 5 months now. That's a lot of time pal to get a system working pal.
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I bet you are the kind who would have sacked Nuno after how Forrest performed between January and the end of last season. Because "5 months is enough time to get a system working"
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
The takes on 3-4-3 in here are blisfully ignorant. 3-4-3 is the last formation to beat both Klopp and Pep to an EPL title in the same season. It won Leverkuersen an unbeaten domestic double just last season . Won Atalanta it's first European trophy. Had both Bayer and Atalanta on their first European finals. Has Inter dominating Serie A. Has had them in a UCL final. They are likely to be in a semi again this term. But according to self styled tacticos on here "the formation is useless".....
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Hey Chief, apart from the formation on paper, there's a lot that goes into team chemistry and dynamics. Especially when in transition, Ten Hag used a standard 4231 however we still got lost in midfield so it's more about the coaching that doesn't get represented on the team sheet. Like why should Garnacho play from the right when we know he's best suited to the left? His goal yesterday was actually with his LEFT FOOT, this is enough reason to prove he should be cutting in from the left. Also, remember Inter Milan plays 2 strikers, even Atalanta and co also play 2 strikers in a dynamic formation. The EPL is the hardest, most demanding, high intensity league in the world. Managers definitely get found out in the EPL... I dare say inter Milan can't run the EPL ragged with that formation for long, it's just so unbalanced. Conte won the league with a 352 but he couldn't replicate it for long pal. Formation isn't everything, but a balanced formation is so so important. I can't wait to see Manchester United back, I'm weary already. I'm 37 and I only know the glory days, i don't want to experience anything pre-Fergie please. Our next manager should be one with proven EPL experience, might even be mid table but with quality EPL experience please.
 
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