Rashford | sell price is set at 40m

UnofficialDevil said:
Yeah it's done a lot of good hasn't it. We're winning games left right and centre. Couldn't we just wait until the summer?
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Well obviously we haven't won more games, but our team attitude had without a doubt improved. In terms of effort we have now a better standard than we ever did with Rashford.
 
IMO, the most telling thing from that match is that Villa went in knowing they probably needed to score 3 or 4 to win the tie yet Emery didn't have enough confidence in Rashford's defensive contribution against Hakimi to play him at LW and therefore be able to put Watkins up front. Part of that is Emery being so naturally cautious but it also speaks to Rashford's limitations and not in a good way.
 
Powderfinger said:
IMO, the most telling thing from that match is that Villa went in knowing they probably needed to score 3 or 4 to win the tie yet Emery didn't have enough confidence in Rashford's defensive contribution against Hakimi to play him at LW and therefore be able to put Watkins up front. Part of that is Emery being so naturally cautious but it also speaks to Rashford's limitations and not in a good way.
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Or Watkins has been nursing an injury and can't play 90 mins
 
Powderfinger said:
IMO, the most telling thing from that match is that Villa went in knowing they probably needed to score 3 or 4 to win the tie yet Emery didn't have enough confidence in Rashford's defensive contribution against Hakimi to play him at LW and therefore be able to put Watkins up front. Part of that is Emery being so naturally cautious but it also speaks to Rashford's limitations and not in a good way.
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Sounds to me like he wanted to shoehorn in Rashford into the team whilst maintaining quite a solid lineup, and was prepared to do so at the expense of playing an actual striker that has had a really good season, and a player that your own club offered sixty million for earlier this season. Could just as easily be seen as a compliment to Rashford, and the danger he can pose to some of the very best teams out there.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
We shouldn't have loaned him out. Acting like we've got loads of option in our attack. Dumb move from INEOS/Amorim, if they dont want him they could just sell him in the summer, he would still play well to attract summer offers.
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This is what I find unforgivable for someone like Rashford. The team, YOUR team is struggling, going through a bad patch and you decide to be a noob (putting it mildly) and end up on loan.

Watching Villa last night (nothing to do with hate watching Rashford, I have watched very little Aston Villa. Got a message saying good game so turned it on)

Rashford was playing welI when I switched on . I was annoyed with him. Felt let down as a UTD fan. Im not bothered about stats or that he did/didn't score/assist. He was trying, something he simply wasn't at UTD.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but for me he can get to feck.
 
Why is he starting over Watkins? Villa sold Duran because he wasn't going to start over Watkins and suddenly Rashford does.
 
It's pretty clear that the time for Rashford to leave United had come but there's no greater example of how miserable fans are than saying that United's 15th highest goalscorer of all time, with medals, and winners in derbys and finals, has been "largely terrible". It's the same impulse that will drag some of you back into this thread for every single game he plays for the rest of his career to say, see he played badly he's terrible, or I don't care that he played well it doesn't count because...You'd rather be miserable than move on.
 
Roane said:
This is what I find unforgivable for someone like Rashford. The team, YOUR team is struggling, going through a bad patch and you decide to be a noob (putting it mildly) and end up on loan.

Watching Villa last night (nothing to do with hate watching Rashford, I have watched very little Aston Villa. Got a message saying good game so turned it on)

Rashford was playing welI when I switched on . I was annoyed with him. Felt let down as a UTD fan. Im not bothered about stats or that he did/didn't score/assist. He was trying, something he simply wasn't at UTD.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but for me he can get to feck.
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Maybe he was fed up with the way Ineos are running our club, and or wasn't motivated by our new manager.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Maybe he was fed up with the way Ineos are running our club, and or wasn't motivated by our new manager.
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I have no problems with players wanting to move due to owners or managers. I backed Rooney when he wanted to leave under SAF. But he didn't let this affect him on the pitch in terms of effort.

UTD have been a mess since SAF. Football is a short career and I would never begrudge a player wanting to better himself financially etc.

What I can't forgive is lack of effort and sulking and basically showing fans I don't give a feck.
 
The first half was actually pretty typical of Rashford for United. He wasn’t that bad, it just wasn’t going well for him. The second half it changed and he looked a lot more dangerous.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Maybe he was fed up with the way Ineos are running our club, and or wasn't motivated by our new manager.
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How would that explain all the pre ineos instances of him turning to shit. Its a weak argument Im afraid, the guy stopped running. Ive never seen somebody make so little effort on the pitch and it feels as if his entire career has been about 'making rashy smile again'. From big bad jose all the way to amorim. Its time for him to leave
 
SER19 said:
How would that explain all the pre ineos instances of him turning to shit. Its a weak argument Im afraid, the guy stopped running. Ive never seen somebody make so little effort on the pitch and it feels as if his entire career has been about 'making rashy smile again'. From big bad jose all the way to amorim. Its time for him to leave
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Rashford started 217 PL games for Man Utd, with 87G and 40A. Total 127 G/A. (127/217 = 0.58) It is an extremely good stats if not world class for any left winger or inside forward for any PL club. However I do agree it is time for him to leave United. He has 9 G/A for 15 (9/15 = 0.6) appearance for Villa this season. He is pretty consistent in terms of output.
 
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He should be at United. And he should be given space to play not fitting in a shit system or rated by how much he runs back.
 
Hammondo said:
Well obviously we haven't won more games, but our team attitude had without a doubt improved. In terms of effort we have now a better standard than we ever did with Rashford.
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Really? Did you miss Vic at the weekend ?

We’re absolutely miles shitter without Rashford, no amount of pretending we ”try harder whilst getting twatted every week” is gonna change that.
 
ROFLUTION said:
Didn’t watch the game, but wasn’t he literally playing on top? It’s not like you need to track back a whole lot, if you’re behind on aggregate and your team probably need to try their luck on counter attacks.
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Yeah but when it's him who loses the ball you would expect some response. He's a fit lad so he could have at least made some effort to track back and help his teamates who've been put under pressure.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Really? Did you miss Vic at the weekend ?

We’re absolutely miles shitter without Rashford, no amount of pretending we ”try harder whilst getting twatted every week” is gonna change that.
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I didn't say we were better. Effort matters, when you wanna build a better team, and you want a better culture in your team, effort matters. Effort is also not something u jsut change, culture is not something that just changes, so saying just get rid of him in summer is naive.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
We put in max effort in that game though didn't we. You said than we ever did with Rashford.
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Did we? City were reportedly hungover and they looked like they couldn't run. We didn't put in "max effort", we put in decent effect against a team that didn't.
 
He's a good player and was capable of being a good player at United

The problem was he wasnt being paid to be a good player. He was paid to be our star player and the guy taking us to a title challenge. We paid him too much and he delivered too little and then a new manager came in who doesn't use wingers so it looked like a doomed scenario for him, but then Amorim persisted with playing him as a #10 where he didnt fit at all.

I think unfortunately his current situation of split wages from 2 clubs is probably the best scenario for him. Because he'll need to take a pay cut to find a permanent move away. He has 3 years on his Utd contract with mega money... Unfortunately a very good reason for him to want to come back next season unless the manager refuses to use him and even then he'll get another loan to take some of the wages off our books.
 
PeteManic said:
He should be at United. And he should be given space to play not fitting in a shit system or rated by how much he runs back.
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Ridiculous notion. His example, and others like him, is a large part responsible for where we are.

Mbappe gets off with it because he has more goal contributions than games! Rashford isn’t even Mbeumo levels.

We need this pain of correcting over a decade of mistakes. The standards of work rate and contribution need to return.

This is the first guy to come along and actually risk tanking his reputation to get this done, not just placate the egos and let players do what they want.

We need this hard line and we will come out the other side better for it.
 
PeteManic said:
He should be at United. And he should be given space to play not fitting in a shit system or rated by how much he runs back.
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I think you'll find your in the minority with that view. He's had plenty of time and chances. Time to move on.

Hopefully he finds the right club for himself this summer.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Really? Did you miss Vic at the weekend ?

We’re absolutely miles shitter without Rashford, no amount of pretending we ”try harder whilst getting twatted every week” is gonna change that.
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That simply isn’t true. Why do people forget how diabolically shit we were this season before Amorim took over? With Rashford a regular starter in numerous atrocious team performances.

Plus the “without Rashford” games under Amorim have largely also been “without Diallo” And that seriously muddies the waters if we’re trying to work out whether or not we’ve disimproved since he left.
 
I hope the club and Rashford himself recognise that it’s still best to part ways in the summer.

I’m not convinced Villa will make the deal permanent but he has show enough to get a decent move in the summer. His stock is a lot higher than it was a few months ago and hopefully something can be sorted out in terms of his wages that means we get a decent fee.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
Rashford started 217 PL games for Man Utd, with 87G and 40A. Total 127 G/A. (127/217 = 0.58) It is an extremely good stats if not world class for any left winger or inside forward for any PL club. However I do agree it is time for him to leave United. He has 9 G/A for 15 (9/15 = 0.6) appearance for Villa this season. He is pretty consistent in terms of output.
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Hes consistent, among his league goals totals per season are 5,5,7,10,11,4, 7. You combine it with general overall play in the context of what top attackers offer in modern game and he's nowhere near good enough. Some people point at other crap players as proof of something but all it means is they're not good enough either. A lot of his time here has been a circus nowhere near worth it for a player of his ability level.

I suspect Villa wont go near 40m for him after having had a good look and that says it all
 
Honestly, given how tolerant we are of blatant laziness displayed by our players, it's fair to say such a fanbase deserves the putrid culture that has festered and driven United down to the depths where the club currently finds itself.

The best teams do not carry passengers simply because they show up when they feel like it, for sustained success you need everyone pulling in the same direction. Even in the unlikely event that Rashford happened upon another hot streak with United this season, how long would it be till he decided to pack it in again?
 
Maluco said:
Ridiculous notion. His example, and others like him, is a large part responsible for where we are.

Mbappe gets off with it because he has more goal contributions than games! Rashford isn’t even Mbeumo levels.

We need this pain of correcting over a decade of mistakes. The standards of work rate and contribution need to return.

This is the first guy to come along and actually risk tanking his reputation to get this done, not just placate the egos and let players do what they want.

We need this hard line and we will come out the other side better for it.
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Mbappe is still getting criticism though, because he's not playing well enough.
 
I never wanted him to leave for A.Villa on loan. I know he was really bad for us for a long periode, but he was still better than both Højlund and Zirkzee. Now we only have Højlund for the rest of the season.
 
I do think there was an agenda against Rashford by a lot of our fans. Seeing the same videos of him not 'working hard' popping up constantly, which you could probably find for Roy Keane & Rooney etc.

I never saw someone that didn't put an effort in - I wouldn't say he was an exceptionally hard worker or had the natural energy to go zooming across the pitch but at the same time that doesn't mean he doesn't care or he's not putting the effort in. In saying that, I think it was the right time to let him go, it had became toxic between him and the fanbase.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
We shouldn't have loaned him out. Acting like we've got loads of option in our attack. Dumb move from INEOS/Amorim, if they dont want him they could just sell him in the summer, he would still play well to attract summer offers.
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Ya let him train when and how he feels like and hit the bars with his bro’s and let the rest of the squad be professional .
 
SambaBoy said:
I do think there was an agenda against Rashford by a lot of our fans. Seeing the same videos of him not 'working hard' popping up constantly, which you could probably find for Roy Keane & Rooney etc.

I never saw someone that didn't put an effort in - I wouldn't say he was an exceptionally hard worker or had the natural energy to go zooming across the pitch but at the same time that doesn't mean he doesn't care or he's not putting the effort in. In saying that, I think it was the right time to let him go, it had became toxic between him and the fanbase.
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i mean i would disagree, it was pretty clear to see he had shit effort out there. From one of the first times he got shifted up top it was clear to see he was pouting, which i never understood. Leading the line for your boyhood club should be an honor, not a whining situation because you aren't in your favorite spot. One semi decent game in a big moment for villa and people are acting like hes just been tearing shit up over there or something.
 
Superunknown said:
I can't help but feel annoyed at him for not performing for us like the way he did it yesterday. It's a little bit shameless to be doing it for somebody else at a time when your actual club need it. I think it says a lot about the modern football, picking and choosing when to turn it on.
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He got disillusioned at a fanbase that had largely turned on him, this happened over a long period of time, and he wasn't the only one....

It is what it is, let's just move on now, but there are lessons to be learned here.
 
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