But not you. You’re just asking questions, right?
Transgender rights discussion
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But not you. You’re just asking questions, right?
Always.
I'm fairly certain I've got a much better grasp on this entire issue than you could ever hope to, but I'll readily admit I don't have all the answers, and I won't pretend to either.
You'll just regurgitate some trite propaganda that has been spoon-fed to you, like you did last time around when you claimed children were having body parts hacked off. You're not interested in the truth, or solutions, you're not open to having your views challenged. All you want is to have your biases confirmed, your opinions validated and for the people you don't like to be punished.
What are going to be those massive consequences of this massive victory that will surely massively improve women's lives?
The associated impact of treating people with kindness and dignity. I can see why that would be hard for some.
Is the upending of basic truths kind or dignified?
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What basic truths?
Basic truths?
Maybe think back a couple of generations to a time when homosexuality was an illegal and unnatural perversion. Was it unkind or undignified to upend that “basic truth”?
Yeah, we are confusing 'accepted' truth with basic truth. And possibly in the realm of convenient truth.
Basic truths about men and women, male and female.
Can someone explain to me what 'trans ideology' is supposed to be? It sounds like a political movement.
That's shocking stuff.
It wasn’t no, and I think it’s the cultural memory of the historical treatment of homosexuals that has given the current trans issue the legs that it has (for want of a better term).
But I genuinely don’t believe that the trans issue is the talking point it is because it’s touching on the same ‘unnatural perversion’ territory that you’ve mentioned. At least that’s always been my experience whenever it’s come up in conservation with people.
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There was a trans woman placed in a female prison who raped biological women there. There was another case in a changing facility where some girls were physically abused but I can find the link.
To whoever stated that people are being overdramatic or similar with the psychological safety thing. That’s not the case. Plenty of women and girls are absolutely fine to be uncomfortable or scared if a biological man is even just staring at them in the changing rooms. Physical abuse is not the threshold.
Any women present in this thread?
Mate, it's the caf.
No. And women I've spoken to about their safety have never mentioned the trans threat. For my daughters, it's lads in school, and for one of them it's the chap who gets off the bus at the same stop but always hangs back so he walks the half mile to his house behind her. And for my peers it's in the workplace, not in the toilets but everywhere else.
That's just my experience. The trans threat might be real and present elsewhere.
Yeah, funny that, I couldn't find any stories of it happening either. If you do find some links to news stories let us know.
Woke washing of the facts?
This is the first time I’ve posted anywhere online about this. I could find the links but tbh you could find them yourself if you actually wanted to. The prison incident should be easy to find.
If I referenced it and needed it to back up my point, I'd definitely find it.
here you go for the first point: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investig...risoner-at-rikers-lawsuit-says/5067904/?amp=1
Not in the uk but that’s the one I’ve found in a quick search. I believe there’s another in the UK but perhaps no longer reported online.
An incident short of physical abuse but clearly not popular with parents at the school:
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/...m-shower-school-district-faces-legal-scrutiny
People can form their own opinions.
I’m not spending anymore time searching, the incidents are there if people actually want to search for them.
No it's not, it protects women.
The only 3 women I've discussed this with say trans women using a female bathroom is approximately bottom of their list of personal safety concerns.
Walking the streets after dark, even in safe neighbourhoods, is far more dangerous to them and they consider the bathroom issue a straw man argument used to try avoid being seen as arguing from bigotry.
the women I speak to about this throw no issues up on bathrooms, but have very strong opinions on changing rooms.
How exactly?
Why out of interest? In my limited experience trans people avoid open change rooms before or after surgery (if they opt for it) for obvious reasons.
Unless the trans person is a gay biological man they don’t feel comfortable in such an intimate setting with them.
The first wasn't a trans person? It was someone pretending to be. If they had pretended to be a woman to commit a crime would that have been the fault of women in general?
The second one sounds like a far right beat up. The evidence is a letter from a far right activist law firm, spread by a far far right Mom influencer on Twitter.
That is what they feel, not why. I was wondering why?
Whether the perpetrator was any actual trans women is besides my point. My argument isn’t that trans people are bad….
It’s that treating many none biological females as female poses dangers to women.
Regardless of the reporting, would you be happy if your daughter was showering with an 18 year old biological male with his cock out in front of them?
I can't put my finger on it. A common love of black and gold robes maybe?More than the ones who made this decision. Something about this lot, not sure what it is
I didn’t ask why.
No it isn't. You can't argue that someone committing a crime while pretending to be from a particular group of people is the fault of the group of people that they are pretending to be.
You could pribablly argue that prison's need to have better procedures in place.
In essence this is a rare bad faith example used to justify discrimination or denial of rights to an entire group.
If we used an example of a white bloke robbing a bank in blackface as a reason to blame crime on black people it would be as absurd as it would be discriminatory.
But did it even happen? The only "witness" saying this happened wasn't even there. I can't know for sure that it did or didn't happen but in my past experience as a High School Teacher this would have been dealt with instantly and urgently, if it actually happened. No teacher or Principle ever ignores this sort of stuff, if it happened anywhere near as reported.
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Fair enough. I asked my wife as she looked puzzled and said "Why would I care?". She did note that a significant number of women are uncomfortanle getting changed in front of other women full stop (period).
If you’d bothered to read the second and third sentence of the first paragraph you will understand my argument, which has nothing to do with blaming any group of people for anything. Or did you selectively ignore that and quote out of context deliberately to try and bypass my argument? I’ll repeat it again for clarity; I didn’t quote the article to try and say that trans people are bad, I quoted it to demonstrate how treating trans women like biological women poses increased risk to biological women.
On your second point, the point I’m making is that whether the facts are true or not, they are perfectly possible if all trans women are treated the same as biological women. The slant of the report is again not relevant.
It doesn't matter that you aren't intending to say "trans=bad". You are still using a rare bad-faith example to justify discrimination against a whole group.
So we should use imaginary examples to justify discrimination? Sounds reasonable.
And on a general point, when using something a evidence tobacco your argument up the source very much matters.