[Hammondo]

How do I know Amorim wanted a left wing back ? Other than the fact he continually played Dalot or Mazraoui there and ignored Amass whilst agreeing to let Malacia leave ? Quite clear Amorim asked for a left wing back especially seeing as we don’t have a structure that brings players in for the coach to work with.

Oh yes I agree with that, but ye doesn't decide which one.

 

[Dazzmondo]

Why are we going to give Amorim another season? This is absolute garbage, the worst many have seen in their life time. If we don’t win Europa, there is absolutely no reason to back him next season.

Even if we do win Europa, it feels like exactly the same situation as ETH winning the FA Cup to me. He should still go imo because I can see the exact same thing happening next season. We start terribly, he gets sacked mid-season, then we need to bring in a new manager with a completely different system and we've only gone further backwards.

 

[Waynne]

Diego Leon will walk into LWB ahead of Dorgu

The state of posts in this thread. My God.

 

[Red_Manc_M15]

I don't think a Manchesrer United coach/manager have had a worse ppg than Amorim.

Yes, I get that but he has a load of ex managers players who are not good enough to play his system. After this season I will judge. Arteta, Klopp, etc didn't do f all in their first year.

 

[Smores]

Rashford might still be here if ETH was here and at the time of being sacked we were only about 5 points off the European places.

I did not like ETH at all but he could at least go on runs at times. Amorim hasn't got a fecking clue in the league and has made some of our more reliable players play much worse because of his crap system.

Which reliable player was better earlier this season? Can't think of a single one

 

[EdinburghDevil]

We're so poor trying to pass out from the back and toothless in attack.

Not a whole lot to like about this team and it gets more painful to watch with every week that passes for me.

 

[lysglimt]

As for Dorgu as there was a discussion about him - I just dont see why should spend £30 million on him....he can probably be an ok player, but is this really the best we could find if we were to make one signing in january ?

 

[Dobba]

A semi decent manager does not have this squad in 15th place ffs! Is the squad good enough to compete for the PL? Hell no! But it should not be in this position playing so bloody terribly!

I honestly think I must be in bizzaro world in here. Amorim is seemingly bulletproof in the eyes of so many.

So which manager out there is getting the goals out of Hojlund, Zirkzee and a 17 year old kid next season?

If the answer is nobody and you want to bring in a replacement for at least one of them, what's the point in spending £10m-ish sacking a manager for not managing it that could have gone on a better stiker?

 

[Dominos]

Unlucky he didn’t get enough on his chip to clear the keeper, but it was reactive and he didn’t have time.

I think we have to stop calling missed chances unlucky.

It's just bad finishing. Top attackers score there. It was a far easier chance than Bournemouth's goal for example.

 

[moses]

Does it though? Seems just threads being shut because some don’t like the discourse. Which prompted the initial comparison.

Well you're wrong in your desperation for drama. And a very small amount of thought would reveal that. As if locking the player threads during the game has any effect on halting criticism? It merely stops the same conversation from occurring in multiple threads.

 

[Remember the geese]

Diego Leon

From the little I've seen of him, I'm far from impressed. Amass is the best of the bunch.

 

[evil_geko]

Amorim literally asked that he comes in the summer exactly because of this, United refused and gave ultimatum, he came in the middle of the season and now we blame the manager. You couldn't make it up.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Not the managers fault, this team is crap. Don't care of the loss is 100%, he is going nowhere.

He needs to be getting more out of them. He’s said this himself.

Why play with wing backs if neither is providing anything going forwards? Dorgu is clueless and Mazraoui is a better full back than wing back.

We’ve had long enough now to be able to put some patterns of play together in this formation and we still have no idea how to play it.

 

[Woziak]

Even if we do win Europa, it feels like exactly the same situation as ETH winning the FA Cup to me. He should still go imo because I can see the exact same thing happening next season. We start terribly, he gets sacked mid-season, then we need to bring in a new manager with a completely different system and we've only gone further backwards.

If he’s lost 4 or 5 out of first 8 or 9 games he’ll be gone by November 1st he won’t last any longer than that!

 

[Cantona in disguise]

So another season wasted before it has even started. Great!

It wont be over though will it. Early stages of Europe if we are in it. Only league cup and a few games into the league. We are not winning the league so top 4 will be the aim for next season. That can be rectified early. All cup competitions winnable. So no it wont be over early in when he will be sacked if this continues.

 

[JBG]

That 8th position was also down to luck. The stats showed that we should have been 15th or something. And the goal scoring problems were there last season as well, but they were covered by our defensive problems.

Exactly... so much needs to be fixed, the squad first imo. No matter who's the manager

 

[MF1138]

There's always hopethat the next 3 promoted teams will be as shite as this season's

We might have to hope for them being worse

 

[Widow]

Away to Bournemouth and we have 20% more possession, more shots, more shots on target, more shots blocked, more corners. We were clearly the better team in that half and they scored from a silly error and deflection.

To say we haven’t improved is daft. We just don’t have any quality up front to make the difference.

The stats are misleading, we're not the better side. If you call this an improvement then you're lost I'm afraid.

That's the thing with us, ever goal conceded is a daft mistake or a silly deflection, we're just not very good and arguably worse than under EtH

I still believe that with a few good players RM will come good but I fear that he'll be under immense pressure next season and if we find ourselves 15th after 10 games, he'll be in trouble.

 

[Sassy Colin]

I'd have Amass and Dalot both over him on the left. He honestly looks hardly a footballer. Our recruitment is absolute crap

I'm sure if Amass was expected to play every week, he wouldn't be able to maintain any sort of level either. Dalot plays all the time because he's always fit (first time he's been injured for a long time at the moment), but he's not up to much, if we're being honest about him.

Dorgu is the sort of player you buy for development and backup, not as a guaranteed starter for United.

 

[Joseunited]

Shouldn't be behind, just can't match them for physicality.
This has to be sorted in the next transfer windows.

 

[Lentwood]

Build up shape is dogshit. Amorim fecking clueless to not tweak this. Garnacho gets a million shots a game and never actually scores. Hojlund is a championship level striker

So if Garnacho gets a million shots a game and Hojlund is a Championship level striker...how are you concluding that it's the build up shape that's 'dogshit'?

Surely if we have a CF who's out of his depth and a forward who gets tonnes of chances but can't finish them then it's a personnel problem?

Or look at it another way...Ireola is a well-regarded manager...what have you liked about Bournemouth's build up play? Most of these mid-level teams with fashionable managers have no clue how to build up, it's goals from set-pieces and transitions. That's the difference.

 

[Dudu]

Aren’t strikers always the lowest in terms of touching the ball?

They are also supposed to be the highest in terms of attacking play.

0 Shots.
0 Shots on target.
1 offside.

 

[VP89]

Don’t we have Diego Leon joining? Dorgu was obviously signed to be the player there and hes a bust

I dont think he's going to be one for the first team. I'm sort of expecting him and Amass be loaned.

On paper we have three players that can play the the position. We need an upgrade pretty much everywhere. I’d be surprised if LWB is a priority.

Amass, who I'd expect to be loaned but who else? Even if Amass stays I dont think that'll be what we choose to depend on.

 

[Reiver]

Maybe it's the formation, maybe it's not. Whatever way we play doesn't make up for the lack of quality in attack.

Second half I'd bring Amass on and get Shaw off, moving Maz back into central defence. I'd swap Bruno and Mainoo around to try and get Bruno on the ball more.

 

[moses]

The first time it's been done recently I think. We already knew the mods were top reds who don't tolerate managerial criticism though.

Go cool down somewhere for a bit.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

Liverpool walking a league title while we get into slugfests with average teams on a weekly basis.

 

[Fts 74]

I didn’t think we were too bad, don't deserve to be behind and that's a red card.Nothing is going our way it seems atm, hopefully we can turn it around but don't know where the goals will come from sadly.

 

[mitchmouse]

If the ball is going on target you will. You’ve literally blocked a possible goal bound shot with an illegal part of your body.

Not if arm is by your side… “normal position “

 

[spwd]

Nice of Onana to dive after it's passed him.

 

[Hammondo]

He needs to be getting more out of them. He’s said this himself.

Why play with wing backs if neither is providing anything going forwards? Dorgu is clueless and Mazraoui is a better full back than wing back.

We’ve had long enough now to be able to put some patterns of play together in this formation and we still have no idea how to play it.

We don't have players who can really be that effective though. You could put me in a team and train patterns of play, wouldn't help.

 

[Exiled_Red]

While I dont blame Amorim for the state of this team, he absolutely takes blame for persisting with Garnacho and Hojlund.

Garnacho is a waste of time. Honestly he has bottom 10% football IQ. We should have moved him when Napoli were sniffing around.

Hojlund I dont know what to say about him. Looked great last season and this season he looks like someone has told him he needs to be a hold up, target 9 and hes not capable pf playing that role. I still think there's a player in there but hes mentally broken and needs some coaching. The guy should be running channels and trying to get in behind. Whoever is working with him needs to lose their job.

The league is already chalked. Just play Obi and see what we've got with Mount as a 10. At least that lets us progress going into next season. Sticking with these two is just a waste.

 

[Giggsy13]

Yes, I get that but he has a load of ex managers players who are not good enough to play his system. After this season I will judge. Arteta, Klopp, etc didn't do f all in their first year.

Klopp had a worse squad than ours his first season and still managed to finish 8th and reach 2 cup finals. This is shite no matter how you want to twist it. Amorim has 6 wins in the league…SIX.

 

[Xaviboy]

Let's hope his new players he brings in the summer will be the difference

 

[lex talionis]

It might be worth recalling that this is a meaningless game. All that matters is avoiding injuries to key players.

 

[erikcred]

Yes, I get that but he has a load of ex managers players who are not good enough to play his system. After this season I will judge. Arteta, Klopp, etc didn't do f all in their first year.

Klopp finished 8th and eliminated a far stronger Utd and Dortmund on the way to the EL final. Compared to how we're getting on, that's levels above.

 

[Amsterdam Devil]

I’m not desperate to feel oppressed. feck me. Do you think it would’ve been shut if everyone was saying how great he is?

Has been closed for years during games. Why can’t you criticize everyone you want after the game?

 

[#07]

Even if we do win Europa, it feels like exactly the same situation as ETH winning the FA Cup to me. He should still go imo because I can see the exact same thing happening next season. We start terribly, he gets sacked mid-season, then we need to bring in a new manager with a completely different system and we've only gone further backwards.

Agreed.

 

[Remember the geese]

The stats are misleading, we're not the better side. If you call this an improvement then you're lost I'm afraid.

We probably have been the better side. Bournemouth started fairly well, but we have grown into the game. If the referee/VAR had done their job, this would have been reflected by the scoreline.

 

[Heinzesight]

Could say this is any game. The odd one where we get slightly favoured and it’s all over the news for days

Referees are afraid to give us decisions. It’s been clear for years

Precisely. We rarely get any soft free kicks the opposition consistently get.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Amass, who I'd expect to be loaned but who else? Even if Amass stays I dont think that'll be what we choose to depend on.

Shaw and Malacia. Not saying they are LWB specialists, but they can play the position.