Not really, we have gotten rid of more players than we have brought in, we were already on the decline and we have changed our football significantly. Some man united fans really think very short term, and we have been run this way for a long long time, which is why we are here, a season is nothing.
FA Premier League
Bournemouth 1:1 Manchester United
Vitality Stadium
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
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Ok let’s carry on with this discussion next season after say 10 games? Or will it depend on how many players he can buy in the summer?
Like I said previous I wish I was a PL manager or coach with no expectations on me at all in the first season. Happy days.
He didn't with the crappy squad he inherited at United. Went out and bought a load of players instead.
Depends what u want. If you want us challenging for the league then its going to take almost a full new squad, if you want improvement then I definitely expect to see it next season, from basically the start of the season.
For a club in our position, it would be silly to have expectations in the first season.
Think people think Fergie only started in 1990. He had an awful squad and we were awful. He had to get rid of a lot of players including some of the big drinkers in the squad and change their attitude. It took time.
It’s not silly to expect to do better. It’s silly to accept no progress.
Let’s give him 10 games next season and see if he has playing better in his formation. Some signs of progression is the least we should be expecting.
Fair point. And did it partly because the culture was wrong which it definitely is now too. I feel Rasmus has the right attitude though.
Obi got passed to in the area the same number of times as rasmus… yes we need an upgrade but I bet hojilund would score more goals with beckham, giggs and scholes giving him good opportunities
Coming second twice, third twice and wining 4 domestic trophies and one European one would suggest otherwise and that this is by far the worst Man United team in the last 12 years, NEVER have we struggled to get 40 PL points in a season, Never! have we played such Gutless, boring defensive football.
This team
Needs a hard reset and I’m not sure Ruben Amorim is the man to do that. Every time he talks, I just switch off because he doesn’t seem to get his messages across to his players, the fact that we have not scored 40 PL goals after 34 matches is beyond embarrassing!
He’s too stubborn, too inflexible and far too much of a rookie coach in high end elite football.
Very thoughtful response, thank you. I think he's lacking on the technical side, but his pace and physicality has caused opposition teams some problems.
Dorgu was one of -if not the best- players on the pitch against Bournemouth in my opinion. He was always an outlet for attacks and driving the ball forward even when he switched to the right later on. He was involved in some of our rare good passages of attacking play and should've had an assist when he played Mount inside the box only for his attempt to be blocked
The pass from Shaw that led eventually led to the goal was ill advised and you know it. We struggled with their press and were asking for it numerous times during the match with our slow and indecisive build up from the back. Perhaps you should have your own vision checked, because your reading of what actually transpired is way offLast edited:
That’s not the point you were making initially. We’ve been playing slow football ever since van Gaal’s era and struggle to break down teams unless we’re able to counter. Relying on counters is a crutch and we’ve been hampered because the club refuses to do a full on squad revamp to modernise the team.
We’re outmatched physically in every single game, changing the manager now wouldn’t solve that issue.
Our attack is shit for a reason. The last striker we’ve signed that was in his prime was Lukaku and that was 8 years ago. Every other striker we’ve signed have been past it for years or youngsters who need more development than we can afford.
The club’s problem lies far beyond the players and manager. Our front office talks a much better game than they can actually implement. If they are really committed to changing things, they’ll skip the USA tour this preseason and actually make the players catch up and improve their fitness to match the standards required for the league.Liverpool 45 mins away from equaling our league record. City 45 mins away from another FA cup final. End of football coverage for me today.
In his first full season of 1987/1988 he came second with 81 points with this record
P40 W23 D12 L5 GS 71 GC38 GD+33
Then he had difficult times after that season but in his beautiful genius Scottish brain, he saw enough from the fan base that if he galvanised the club it would be a force to be reckoned with.
What makes any fan think Ruben Amorim who is 6 years younger than Sur Alex was then and has no European Trophy pedigree like Oliver Glasner or Unai Emery can turn United around, his football is drab, he’s a nervous wreck on the touch line and he’s now into the warbling waffling phase of after game interviews?
Even against 10 men he wants to play 3421 you couldn’t make this up!
I think he’s made so many rookie mistakes. He should be given the ultimatum of win the Europa League or we sack you.
His PL record of 23 PL matches and only wining 6 of those games is reason enough to terminate his contract, that’s a 26% win rate.
Let’s look at those 6 games, Rashford and Zirkzee star in a 4-0 win and he’s says he wasn’t impressed. Flukes a win at City, drab 0-1 at Fulham, two very poor performances with a 3-1 and 3-2 win to Southampton and Ipswich which were hardly deserved and one acceptable performance with a 0-3 win at relegation bound Leicester. He’s beat 3 relegation teams, an Everton team at the time bound for bottom 5 and nicked two away games at City and Fulham.
You can’t continue to defend the indefensible, give him a pre season, 8 PL matches next season and I repeat if he hasn’t got 14-16 points and won at least half those games, get rid!
Most big Clubs would have sacked him after 15 PL games.
The club need to give another coach whose more flexible tactically and has more big game and PL experience the job, fans will be shocked how quickly the club will improve results?
Good point forgot about him. Definitely won’t be using any more funds for that position even if he is another youngster lacking in experience.
Do you honestly believe that Ruben with £200-250m can honestly improve his own managerial record in the EPL, he loses 50% of the matches and only wins 26% that’s beyond shocking for a Palace or Everton Manager let alone a Man United Head Coach.
Just watch the back room coaches behind him, they look massively out of their depth massively, I don’t care about slow passing if it has an objective but I do care about a coach who has 30 mins left in a game when his team have an 11 against 10 advantage and he doesn’t know how to switch to 334 all out attack
How do the back room coaches look out of their depth
I love comments like this.
So today for example how did the back room staff sat in the backroom staff look out of their depth? How does that compare to other sides whose backroom staff don’t look out of their depth in a match? Could you give specific examples.
He most definitely has done it with some of them.
I didn't know that Liverpool won 13 Premier Leagues
5 months you mean
Yeah Christina I want to cry
Similar time to how long Roy Hodgson lasted at Liverpool, who had a 41% win rate compared to Amorim's 38%
A month and a half away from being here as long as Moyes, who had a 53% win rate
It kind of puts in to perspective how far we've fallen and how low expectations have become
I think they only won 2 PL's ........................and never a 'real' Treble
They are singing 20 times… the Scousers are singing 20 times …..
So you expect an improvement in performance while simultaneously removing underperforming players at the beginning of a pretty significant rebuild?
Sure Jan.
It's 2 PL's (one of which is the Covid PL)
Ok let's sack him, and begin the cycle again.
Yep, I’d like to see a new manager be able to improve the players he has over the course of 23 PL games plus cup games. Minimum to get them playing as a team.
My expectations are obviously higher than your low ones.
I feel more like I am being pragmatic and understanding that the success we expect isn't going to happen after 5 months.
Especially since the manager joined half way through a diabolical season after the previous manager spaffed what little budget he would have had up the wall and assembled probably the worst squad we've ever had.
What we're seeing is what we've seen for the past few years and is a legacy of poor ownership decisions.
Excuse me if my expectations are a little more realistic, but whatever.
I haven’t mentioned success within 5 months though have I? You’ve added that in yourself.
I’m talking about visible improvements in implementing his style of play and formation which should be the bare minimum realistic expectation.
Or just give me the job on a fifth of his wage, I can move on players like the best of them if that’s all that’s required.
But a big part of why Obi had space in the box is that he came on against 10-men and when we went two up top. It’s the same reason Hojlund also got the goal chance. More people in the box and more crosses coming in.
Hojlunds not been good enough but he keeps getting lambasted for playing the first 75mins up top with little to no service. Then another forward or Maguire comes on with fresh legs and the ball getting pumped into the box. Crosses start coming from the likes of Garnacho who had been shooting all afternoon.
Every time we’ve dropped Hojlund for Zirkzee we see Zirkzee similarly ineffective because for whatever reason we don’t commit enough bodies forward and the players don’t cross into dangerous areas unless they are running out of time.
It’s a hiding to nothing being it starting striker at the minute.
Watch some of the behind the scenes training, some of this looks beyond inept why are players going to enjoy a 30 year old assistant coach telling them what to do, there is nothing wrong if the guys are good enough but what have any of them actually won of any real stature, Portuguese league is like wining the Dutch league, at least a coach like Glasner as won the Europa league.
I genuinely believe if Amorim and his team took over Liverpool they would have finished 8th to 10th, he’s a good young coach but he doesn’t get the EPL!
He’s said it himself he’s made multiple mistakes this season and would do things differently if he could, that’s the only reason I and some fans will give him 8-10 PL games next season to show a massive improvement in results and style.
Hojlund got plenty of service in the game vs Wolves for instance and he did absolutely feck all. He was nowhere near a good number of crosses and passes. This has been a recurrent theme all season long.
With his stats, it's not just about not getting service, he plays a major role in this situation
Mount might be crap, but we won’t know if we don’t give him minutes. We’ve seen plenty of what Garnacho can do, which is take 37 shots a game and come nowhere close to scoring. He kills every chance we have on attack.
Mount on the other hand, while he might be shit, moves off the ball and involves other people. He’s a much smarter player.
Mount on the other had couldn’t even finish easy chances Garnacho put on a plate for him last week
I hope Amorim knows how lucky he is to have your support for those 8-10 PL matches.
A great manager lets his coaching staff challenge him and question him, I don’t see that with Ruben, I see a control freak that wants everyone to fall in line and only agree with his decisions, please tell me if you think Ruben after 23 PL matches understands the PL and how to win more than 1/4 of the matches he oversees? I love comments like this.
So today for example how did the back room staff sat in the backroom staff look out of their depth? How does that compare to other sides whose backroom staff don’t look out of their depth in a match? Could you give specific examples.
That’s an awful lot of games that the whole coaching team have failed in, failed to score goals, failed to be tactically flexible to change his system, the back room team have failed to challenge decisions of the head coach, collectively failed to coach the team into an efficient compact unit, failed to stop conceding goals and more importantly failed to entertain huge 70,000 + fans at OLD Trafford.
Ruben and his team’s PL home record this season ;
Played 11 Won 3 Drawn 2 Lost 6 points - 11
1 point per game.
Goals Scored 14 Goals conceded 18 - 4 GD
We managed 8 points from 6 games previously that got ETH Sacked and RVN as interim.
He’s had 12 games away and the form is marginally better
Played 12 won 3 Drawn 4 Lost 5 points 13
1.1 Points per game
Goals scored 13 Goals conceded 17 - 4 GD
This suggests to me that he’s looking to play football that highly defensive and attempts to steal a win and when they go 1 or 2-0 down, they are not coached into a different formations or strategies to change the match and the flow of the game, this is Rookie Coach 101.
Top Elite Coaches and their backroom staff prepare detailed structures and tactic board to change for certain scenarios that happen in game and they prepare their team for this through the different phases of the match, I’m not sure Ruben and his staff are competent enough to do this because if they were, they would know when the opposing team go down to 10 men in a game with 30 minutes left you immediately switch your team up, he has three at the back so the simple answer is to add another man in midfield to dominate the ball and play a 3-3-4 with your wing backs absolutely as high as possible almost playing as wide wingers.
He played 3421 with wait for it Rasmus playing as the right 10, Chido as the 9 and Dorgu. As the right wing back with no ability to cross the ball from the width of the right field.
He has pace who could be used at wingback within the youth set up like Amass and Mantato but we still see this dross every week, in the first half, Bournemouth did what every other team has done to us in the EPL all season, they pushed their full backs high and our wing backs back to a narrow 5221, pressing us high up the pitch and then outnumbered our 2 man midfield of Mainoo and Casemiro, with a three man high energetic midfield, it happens every game, our defenders then make a mistake passing out from the back and we are 1 or 2 nil down after 25-35 minutes playing catch up!
Unfortunately this coach and his staff are simply not learning and it doesn’t matter who you bring in as players in the summer, if you continue to play this system next season, the same results will happen and then all of the fans will turn on Amorim very quickly.
Ruben needs to find a variation. Of maybe switch up his system to a true 3421/334 compact high energy high intensity team that take their chances and are ruthless otherwise he won’t last more than 8/10 PL games next season.
Funny thing is I’m not the only one am I, his words just to remind you ;
“You win matches, you win time!”
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Man of the Match
Runners-up
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17%
Luke Shaw
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13%
Bruno Fernandes
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12%
Rasmus Hojlund
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11%
Alejandro Garnacho
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10%
Noussair Mazraoui
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6%
Manuel Ugarte
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4%
Harry Maguire
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4%
Kobbie Mainoo
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3%
Casemiro
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1%
Patrick Dorgu
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1%
Victor Lindelof
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1%
Chido Obi
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 145 ratings.
Score Predictions
32,88,16
- Man Utd win
- Bournemouth win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 20% Bournemouth 2:0 Man Utd
- 18% Bournemouth 2:1 Man Utd
- 13% Bournemouth 3:0 Man Utd
- 13% Bournemouth 1:2 Man Utd
- 9% Bournemouth 1:1 Man Utd
- 9% Bournemouth 3:1 Man Utd
- 4% Bournemouth 0:2 Man Utd
- 4% Bournemouth 1:0 Man Utd
- 2% Bournemouth 0:1 Man Utd
- 2% Bournemouth 0:3 Man Utd
- 2% Bournemouth 2:2 Man Utd
- 1% Bournemouth 1:3 Man Utd
- 1% Bournemouth 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% Bournemouth 4:0 Man Utd
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Chido Obi
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replaced by Victor Lindelof
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replaced by Christian Eriksen
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replaced by Manuel Ugarte
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replaced by Mason Mount
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