Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney | Wrexham AFC Watch

[TsuWave]

Clearly that’s not true. The better comparison would have been with D1 teams who they’ve competed against this season. Where they are in comparison to Championship teams is irrelevant until next season

That has nothing to do with the exchange that took place, though. You asked that poster "Why don’t you compare it to the teams they’ve been competing with in D1?"

Why would they do that when they were addressing/contesting a very specific statement? - "They have a ridiculous wage bill, one which beats that of a lot of championship teams."

It may be clear to you that the above statement isn't true. It doesn't take from the fact that it was made - and not everybody follows League 1 football clubs - so when people try to use verifiably false information to justify and/or explain their dislike for Wrexham - or on any subject matter - then it is understandable that some address and disprove said wrong info.

 

[golden_blunder]

That has nothing to do with the exchange that took place, though. You asked that poster "Why don’t you compare it to the teams they’ve been competing with in D1?"

Why would they do that when they were addressing/contesting a very specific statement? - "They have a ridiculous wage bill, one which beats that of a lot of championship teams."

It may be clear to you that the above statement isn't true. It doesn't take from the fact that it was made - and not everybody follows League 1 football clubs - so when people try to use verifiably false information to justify and/or explain their dislike for Wrexham - or on any subject matter - then it is understandable that some address and disprove said wrong info.

Well the posters point is illogical, it bares no relevance

 

[TsuWave]

Well the posters point is illogical, it bares no relevance

Your interjection is illogical and bares no relevance. One poster made an incorrect statement as to exaggerate Wrexham's spending power/wage bill - was corrected - and rather than lauding the poster that contested seemingly false info - you attempted to move the conversation to what you wanted it to be, rather than what it was.

I, for one, didn't know that statement was false - and many would be forgiven for taking it at face value considering how often Wrexham's investment/spending is a talking point. So yeah, people addressing specific talking points - especially if/when they're false - is a net gain for objective conversations and forum discussion.

 

[golden_blunder]

Your interjection is illogical and bares no relevance. One poster made an incorrect statement as to exaggerate Wrexham's spending power/wage bill - was corrected - and rather than lauding the poster that contested seemingly false info - you attempted to move the conversation to what you wanted it to be, rather than what it was.

I, for one, didn't know that statement was false - and many would be forgiven for taking it at face value considering how often Wrexham's investment/spending is a talking point. So yeah, people addressing specific talking points - especially if/when they're false - is a net gain for objective conversations and forum discussion.

Whatever

I don’t care about the poster or the conversation. My entire point was that saying whether they were or not paying much higher wages than everyone else is only relevant to the league they competed in. When it looks like they were third highest payers. They aren’t in the championship yet so frankly it doesn’t matter how they stack up currently against those teams as they are likely to replace a lot of the squad with better quality, therefore their salaries will increase again probably

That’s it for me on this topic so you can shout at the clouds or whatever

 

[next_number_seven]

Has it really? Because of the club? Genuinely curious what has happened, other than what I would imagine is a relatively small number of American tourists drinking at that Turf pub that's always in the documentary. It would be certainly be cool if it was more than that

I can't see how it would have a big impact on the actual town.

They've definitely created a few extra jobs in the club and brought some tourists but it can't be that much of an impact.

 

[Acrobat7]

Whatever

I don’t care about the poster or the conversation. My entire point was that saying whether they were or not paying much higher wages than everyone else is only relevant to the league they competed in. When it looks like they were third highest payers. They aren’t in the championship yet so frankly it doesn’t matter how they stack up currently against those teams as they are likely to replace a lot of the squad with better quality, therefore their salaries will increase again probably

That’s it for me on this topic so you can shout at the clouds or whatever

No matter what you had in mind, it looked strange because the post you criticised explicitly addressed a statement and corrected it.

 

[Alex99]

More from the Wrexham subreddit:

The Europeans will hate us yanks coming to championship this year but those two guys brought tons of eyes and $ to the English soccer league and should be thanked for it.

did u ever think a 7th generation Texan who didn’t know what the national league was a few years ago would be planning a European trip 4 years later with a Wrexham visit being as high on our list as Paris and Rome? That’s about the highest compliment I could imagine

Heck, I see Texan sensibilities in yalls populace…I think maybe all the entire world sees themselves in y’all…there’s something so loveable about Wrexham and Wales…..

I’m not a football fan beyond Wrezham, but I have to say I love the way football does the promotion/relegation thing.

Missed the last ten mins, but incredible soccer!!

We are going straight to the Premier League after this. I can feel the intense of Vardy (Premier League legend) playing against us at the highest England league soccer league level. Ryan must be proud of the boys.

 

[yumtum]

Your interjection is illogical and bares no relevance. One poster made an incorrect statement as to exaggerate Wrexham's spending power/wage bill - was corrected - and rather than lauding the poster that contested seemingly false info - you attempted to move the conversation to what you wanted it to be, rather than what it was.

I, for one, didn't know that statement was false - and many would be forgiven for taking it at face value considering how often Wrexham's investment/spending is a talking point. So yeah, people addressing specific talking points - especially if/when they're false - is a net gain for objective conversations and forum discussion.

I wouldn't argue, some posters don't know how to admit that they're wrong on the internet.

Clearly made a stupid point and refuses to back down.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

More from the Wrexham subreddit:

I love how they think the Championship is some little competition. The average league attendance is only about six or seven thousand lower than their premium stickball sport manages. And the Championship hasn't got an LA or a New York to pull punters from, it includes backwater shit holes like Preston or Shepherd's Bush.

 

[Alex99]

I love how they think the Championship is some little competition. The average league attendance is only about six or seven thousand lower than their premium stickball sport manages. And the Championship hasn't got an LA or a New York to pull punters from, it includes backwater shit holes like Preston or Shepherd's Bush.

I think it's because everything but the top league of any of their pretend sports is basically irrelevant, so they've not really grasped that teams outside of the Premier League don't actually need a Disney documentary for people to care about them.

I loved the comment from the Texan though: "hi y'all, I just wanted to let you know that I'd never heard of your shithole town until Ryan Reynolds told me to care, but now I'm planning on visiting and I just want you all to appreciate what a privilege it'll be for y'all for me to grace you with my presence."

 

[Chipper]

More from the Wrexham subreddit:

Most fun I'll get from football today is reading those by the looks of it.

This one isn't bad either.

Its going to be interesting in the championship league but I fully believe we can get victory after victory. Some of these teams in there have won the champion league, it's going to be such a offensive display

I like the clunky labelling of the championship league, and as far as I'm aware no current Championship club has won the Champions League.

 

[Alex99]

Most fun I'll get from football today is reading those by the looks of it.

This one isn't bad either.


I like the clunky labelling of the championship league, and as far as I'm aware no current Championship club has won the Champions League.

It's hilarious.

It was great when the documentary first aired because every day there'd be a "I'm and American who's found the documentary just swell and would love to learn more about this game you call soccer!"

And it'd inevitably fill up with other Americans who'd spent five minutes skimming Wikipedia and saying things like League One was the top league.

There was also a lot of confusion over their FA Cup run and Mullin being the top scorer, with a lot of them believing (and arguing) that it meant they were already Championship ready, if not Premier League ready, and that Mullin must be one of the country's best strikers.

 

[P-Nut]

It's hilarious.

It was great when the documentary first aired because every day there'd be a "I'm and American who's found the documentary just swell and would love to learn more about this game you call soccer!"

And it'd inevitably fill up with other Americans who'd spent five minutes skimming Wikipedia and saying things like League One was the top league.

There was also a lot of confusion over their FA Cup run and Mullin being the top scorer, with a lot of them believing (and arguing) that it meant they were already Championship ready, if not Premier League ready, and that Mullin must be one of the country's best strikers.

It's like trying to teach your 2 year old about football

 

[Alex99]

It's like trying to teach your 2 year old about football

The FA Cup thing was great. The number of "Mullin just won MVP of the whole England Cup and you're saying he's only English Soccer League 2 standard!!!" posts was hilarious.

 

[Champ]

https://www.capology.com/uk/league-one/payrolls/

Actually surprised Huddersfield keep them down to 3rd, but a million miles ahead of the other 21 teams.

"Romance".

Huddersfield didn't keep them in third,
only Birmingham were above them.
And it figures in the league table.
Good ol' money, proper romance and fairytales, can't make it up.

 

[Sandikan]

Huddersfield didn't keep them in third,
only Birmingham were above them.
And it figures in the league table.
Good ol' money, proper romance and fairytales, can't make it up.

Say what?
The comment refers to the data held in the link on wages.

 

[Lyng]

Yeah, agreed. Good post. Seeing as every United fan is desperate to have an owner who will get us back to to where we used to be by investing their own money in the club (and most United fans would prefer that money isn’t the wealth of a nation state) it seems a bit mad to begrudge the success of a club who’s got the sort of owner we all dream of.

Yup completely agree. I think all of us would love people like those two to own our club. Problem is the only people who can afford United are billionaires and they are all utterly despicable cnuts.

 

[FriedClams]

Why don’t you compare it to the teams they’ve been competing with in D1?

Was busy proving another poster wrong about what they said.

 

[Dave Smith]

Wrexham wage bill is under 6 million according to a few sources. This is the championship wage bills

16. Swansea City – £12,284,000
17. Derby County – £12,264,000
18. Blackburn Rovers – £12,090,000
19. Millwall – £12,052,000
20. Queens Park Rangers – £11,620,000
21. Coventry City – £11,336,000
22. Oxford United – £10,962,000
23. Plymouth Argyle – £8,933,600
24. Portsmouth – £7,202,000

Do you have another source for this?

If everyone boils things down to payroll then I suspect the people unhappy with Wrexham going through the leagues will be delighted with Millwall snatching a last minute play-off space a promotion to the PL via the playoffs.

 

[FriedClams]

If everyone boils things down to payroll then I suspect the people unhappy with Wrexham going through the leagues will be delighted with Millwall snatching a last minute play-off space a promotion to the PL via the playoffs.

Of course, how could anyway be unhappy with millwall doing good things

 

[FriedClams]

Whatever

I don’t care about the poster or the conversation. My entire point was that saying whether they were or not paying much higher wages than everyone else is only relevant to the league they competed in. When it looks like they were third highest payers. They aren’t in the championship yet so frankly it doesn’t matter how they stack up currently against those teams as they are likely to replace a lot of the squad with better quality, therefore their salaries will increase again probably

That’s it for me on this topic so you can shout at the clouds or whatever

1. Harsh from a moderator of the forum

2. I agree, the better comparison would be with league 1 clubs, but the original post from champ was trying to paint wrexham using their financial muscle to such an extent that their salary bill outweighed that of several championship clubs, when it actual fact it did not. The reality is their wage bill was amongst the highest in league 1, which they were just promoted from, so obviously that wage bill was worth it. I guess I just don't understand any animosity towards wrexham, any fan of any team in the lower leagues would love to have that story happen to them. It can be both romantic/fairytale and a reflection of modern necessity to success, which I understand can rub some people the wrong way.

 

[golden_blunder]

Was busy proving another poster wrong about what they said.

Which is fair enough. I just thought for the wider conversation that was happening, a like for like comparison would also have been useful

 

[golden_blunder]

1. Harsh from a moderator of the forum

2. I agree, the better comparison would be with league 1 clubs, but the original post from champ was trying to paint wrexham using their financial muscle to such an extent that their salary bill outweighed that of several championship clubs, when it actual fact it did not. The reality is their wage bill was amongst the highest in league 1, which they were just promoted from, so obviously that wage bill was worth it. I guess I just don't understand any animosity towards wrexham, any fan of any team in the lower leagues would love to have that story happen to them. It can be both romantic/fairytale and a reflection of modern necessity to success, which I understand can rub some people the wrong way.

Re point 1, sorry fella didn’t mean it like that. Someone was busting my chops, I felt unfairly and got a bit short. Apologies

 

[FriedClams]

Re point 1, sorry fella didn’t mean it like that. Someone was busting my chops, I felt unfairly and got a bit short. Apologies

All good

 

[golden_blunder]

All good

Btw champs point was silly. He should have checked before making such a claim.

Wrexham fully expecting them to upgrade quite a bit of the squad, for example their striker force is quite old. So next season i do expect wages to go up in tandem

 

[Big Andy]

I moved to Wrexham 2 years and my step kids “support” them, along with city (eldest) and United (youngest).

I went to a game pre R&R about 5 years ago and there was about 2,500 there, the atmosphere was shit, everyone there was moaning, the old kop was condemned and there was talk of administration.

I’ve taken the kids to a few games over the past couple of seasons and it’s night and day to what it was then.

My stepson does football training at the university right behind the ground, and I’ll take him into the shop and you can guarantee that 90% of the people in there are from America or Canada. It’s madness, you see them walking round looking confused all the time.

On Saturday I took the kids to the ground with about 10 minutes left, as they wanted to try and get on the pitch. Turns out svout 100 others had the same idea and they broke the exit gate and stormed in.

It’s been great for the town in general and I quite enjoy going to a football match I have no investment in, and don’t care if they win or lose.

I’m going to get a membership next year for me and the step kids as watching championship football will be pretty good although with the new stand at least a year away, it might be a struggle for the first season..

 

[Fortitude]

BBC have this timeline for anyone interested:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgrgljwdz8wo

 

[MarylandMUFan]

I know folks are taking the piss out of the new American supporters of Wrexham that know nothing about European football but in the end, I think it's great. The more they learn, the more they will discover that the structure of our sports leagues in North America stinks and that the European football model is much better. Nnot that it will change but if the USL succeeds in their promotion/relegation plans, maybe it will trickle up to the MLS (but I doubt it). Also, hopefully more Americans pick up on and adopt the footballing culture to make ours a bit less embarrassing.

 

[next_number_seven]

BBC have this timeline for anyone interested:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgrgljwdz8wo

It'll be interesting to see their signings this summer to see what their intentions are.

Are they going for B2B2B2B promotions? Maybe it's unrealistic. Maybe they'll have a 2 year plan to get to the PL. So maybe 4 quality signings this summer. 2 more in January and then 4 more again next summer. With a few loans, free transfers etc also.

I wonder also how much money have R&R have actually invested out of their own pocket and how much have they gained?

The club is probably worth 100m now and they bought it for 2.5m.

 

[SecondFig]

https://www.capology.com/uk/league-one/payrolls/

Actually surprised Huddersfield keep them down to 3rd, but a million miles ahead of the other 21 teams.

"Romance".

Mate, have you seen where our payroll puts us in the Premier League? Sure, Wrexham are being successful due to money being pumped into the club, but they're also a well run club, in a part of the world that is genuinely benefitting from investment and attention. They've gone from non-league to the 2nd flight in 3 seasons, something no other English club has ever done and they're far from the first ever club to have wealthy owners.

 

[Xeque_279]

Biggest challenge would be to stay in the Championship next season. I think we'll see them make some interesting signings. Vardy? Maybe some players from the 3 relegated from the EPL? Will be an interesting story.

 

[Dave Smith]

Biggest challenge would be to stay in the Championship next season. I think we'll see them make some interesting signings. Vardy? Maybe some players from the 3 relegated from the EPL? Will be an interesting story.

They will throw some money at it, so I think a midtable finish is possible for them. I don't see another promotion as they will have the three relegated teams with parachute payments, along with potentially Sheff Utd. Then there is Luton who may survive and have a bit of money to play with. Will be interesting to see how they go, the Championship is the one of the most unpredictable leagues in the world. Winning the title and relegation cannot exactly be ruled out as ridiculous as that sounds.

 

[Nogbadthebad]

I wonder also how much money have R&R have actually invested out of their own pocket and how much have they gained?

The club is probably worth 100m now and they bought it for 2.5m.

They paid for the club, and I think in the documentary it talked about them financing the first year outright by themselves, then they could negotiate sponsorships once the tv show was released and got good numbers, and CBS started showing matches and so on.

They also put up the cash for a new pitch and all the stadium work so far I beleive, so maybe 10-12 million of their own money perhaps, something like that.

 

[Champ]

Apologies, they only outspent 5 championship clubs based on this seasons financial release.

 

[next_number_seven]

They paid for the club, and I think in the documentary it talked about them financing the first year outright by themselves, then they could negotiate sponsorships once the tv show was released and got good numbers, and CBS started showing matches and so on.

They also put up the cash for a new pitch and all the stadium work so far I beleive, so maybe 10-12 million of their own money perhaps, something like that.

They've definitely made a huge profit in terms of actual valuation of the club now.

 

[next_number_seven]

They will throw some money at it, so I think a midtable finish is possible for them. I don't see another promotion as they will have the three relegated teams with parachute payments, along with potentially Sheff Utd. Then there is Luton who may survive and have a bit of money to play with. Will be interesting to see how they go, the Championship is the one of the most unpredictable leagues in the world. Winning the title and relegation cannot exactly be ruled out as ridiculous as that sounds.

I think they'll have a two year plan to get promoted from the Championship but may not happen.

So 5 quality signings this summer with 2 or 3 in January and hope for mid table.

Then the same the following season and hope for playoffs or higher.

I don't know enough about their finances and FFP to know what's possible but it takes time.

It will take time to move on players also as they won't be out of contract.

I think by the start of the 26/27 season maybe only 1 or 2 players of their current squad will be starting for them.

By then also they'll have their new stand built.

 

[Dans]

They will throw some money at it, so I think a midtable finish is possible for them. I don't see another promotion as they will have the three relegated teams with parachute payments, along with potentially Sheff Utd. Then there is Luton who may survive and have a bit of money to play with. Will be interesting to see how they go, the Championship is the one of the most unpredictable leagues in the world. Winning the title and relegation cannot exactly be ruled out as ridiculous as that sounds.

Is it? I haven't checked, but I get the feeling it's very predictable, with clubs relegated from the Prem getting back within a couple of years pretty often.

 

[Rainy nights in Stoke]

They paid for the club, and I think in the documentary it talked about them financing the first year outright by themselves, then they could negotiate sponsorships once the tv show was released and got good numbers, and CBS started showing matches and so on.

They also put up the cash for a new pitch and all the stadium work so far I beleive, so maybe 10-12 million of their own money perhaps, something like that.

Read an article somewhere that they haven't at all spent all that much when it comes down to it. They've spent the seed capital to get the ball rolling (as you explain), but now it's picked up so much steam that they don't need to fund it so much more and Wrexham's financials are pretty decent compared to their peers. They're also already bigger than most Championship clubs from a revenue point of view. If they secure some additional outside investment I could see them in the Prem quite quickly.

R&R have invested a lot of star-power and story telling ability, feels like they are getting a really solid ROI on that

 

[next_number_seven]

Read an article somewhere that they haven't at all spent all that much when it comes down to it. They've spent the seed capital to get the ball rolling (as you explain), but now it's picked up so much steam that they don't need to fund it so much more and Wrexham's financials are pretty decent compared to their peers. They're also already bigger than most Championship clubs from a revenue point of view. If they secure some additional outside investment I could see them in the Prem quite quickly.

R&R have invested a lot of star-power and story telling ability, feels like they are getting a really solid ROI on that

Their revenue in L2 was 26.7m and the average revenue for Championship club was 22m not including parachute clubs. So they're already at Championship level last year.

Their revenue has probably risen since then.

Their new stand is a year away from completion also.

 

[Spark]

Wrexham wage bill is under 6 million according to a few sources. This is the championship wage bills

16. Swansea City – £12,284,000
17. Derby County – £12,264,000
18. Blackburn Rovers – £12,090,000
19. Millwall – £12,052,000
20. Queens Park Rangers – £11,620,000
21. Coventry City – £11,336,000
22. Oxford United – £10,962,000
23. Plymouth Argyle – £8,933,600
24. Portsmouth – £7,202,000

Do you have another source for this?

Probably accurate - Wrexham's international fan base and widely watched documentary means they can legitimately offer lucrative off-field bonuses plus the potential to massively boost your PR that no other club outside of the prem can.

It was honestly surreal watching Paul Mullins become internationally known having watched him at the Abbey Stadium the year before. Full on went from a regional player known only in the towns he'd performed at to appearing in Deadpool.

EDIT: Probably not accurate, they blatantly spent more. Still, they can attract players far more easily than any other club outside the prem I reckon.