Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

[ThanksBoss26]

Why is it that no matter who comes in to manage us, our pressing and our ability to handle any half-decent press never improves?

I mean we may not have the best players, or the most athletic ones but I would assume training international footballers to press collectively and efficiently and to cut off passing lanes is not the most difficult job in the world. Yet every manager somehow fails to do that. Is it some sort of voodoo that has been placed on the club that the simplest of stuff cannot be implemented?

I don't know, but I wish one of them would work it out because it's constantly so poor compared to other teams.

 

[Devil81]

The whole situation is bloody insane, by rights he should be shown the door for what has been an insane amount of defeats. We surpassed the acceptable amount of defeats at 8 game for me. To be double that is totally unacceptable for a club of Manchester uniteds size.

I argued with so many people for Ten Hag to keep his job off the back of the Fa cup win and had to eat humble pie months later. Now it's gone full circle, the same people I was arguing over ETH job are now saying Amorim deserves a transfer window.

I'm not sure we should make the same mistake twice. I hate the system he plays. I think it's been glaring Casemiro needed to be fitted in the side all season, even Van Nistelrooy made sure he accommodated him during his short stint.

I also feel the level of competition in the Europa has been that low this season even this aged and struggling squad have found it a walk in the park to potentially get to the final. If it's Spurs and he beats them, fair play but Bilbao aside the dross in the competition has had me saying from day 1 this competition had to be number 1 priority from the opening fixtures.

 

[Swedish_Plumber]

Jog on - it’s an opinion based on watching this shite week after week.
If you don’t care about United winning games then full your Amorim cup up full of positivity but based on what, I don’t know….or care.
Where is credit due after yet another defeat where his system got exposed over and over again?

You can discredit the league performances all you want. I’d say that’s pretty fair given how things have gone. But you’re pulling shite from your arse saying we’re only that far in Europe due to red cards. Blatantly wrong to support an agenda.

 

[edgecutter]

There's always someone who finds the absolute positive in any situation.

8th was dreadful last year and was what we probably deserved.
15-16th or wherever we are is an absolutely disaster.

Saved by winning the Euro if we can do that.

It's the most pressurised summer window we've ever had, as people seem to assume it's just a case of getting the right players in.
When in reality 1) that'll be very difficult and 2) there's very limited evidence this system will ever work, bar playing in Europe.

8th after spending half a billion. That was one of the biggest jokes I can remember. From your post I would say you were one that was happy that eth kept his job after syphoning money through his sons agency?

 

[SER19]

It took a miracle against Lyon to save the season where we blew a 2 goal lead against 10 men. I’m not certain the tie against Athletic is over either, we could still blow it in spectacular fashion. The fact Amorim is being given a pass is startling. I suppose the good looks and speaking well can take you far but I believe we’ve all been duped. He’s not made for English football.

Again, i lean towards giving a manager a pre season and a window - but have we shown enough to justify signing players to this system? If he's gone by october will we have square pegs for round holes when his replacement comes in? I suspect we'll scrape into the final, where our unbeaten european season will end the first time we face a PL team.

 

[Giggsy13]

This shit pisses me off. All negative and can’t even give credit where we’ve done well. We’re in the semi finals of the EL because of only luck with red cards? Just utter bullshit.

It’s not utter bullshit, we’ve had luck and fortunate calls. We went down 4-2 to 10 men Lyon and needed a miracle to come back. The tie against athletic is not over either, and this manager has shown he’s not capable of setting up to protect a lead.

 

[AndyMUFC]

We probably won't win another league game. Just have to unfortunately accept it at this point.

Have massive physicality issues no matter the system or the manager that we need to try as much as possible in the summer, or we'll never compete with the pace and power in this league.

 

[RedRocket9908]

The manager has been left with a dud squad due to eth and his son making a killing by signing players that weren't worth even half of what we paid for them. If we go into November like this then I will be concerned, but at the moment he has my backing and I turn pretty quick on managers when I see things going array. I was one the first to want Eth and Ole out.

He hasnt been left with a dud at all, yes some of the players are not at the level required to challenge for the title but we definitely have a squad strong enough to getting top 8 and the reason we are so far down the table is due to the manager and his refusal to change his tactic when it simply wont work with our current squad.

 

[Garethw]

Never thought we'd get relegated again but next season we're going to be in real trouble

It’s extremely worrying. If the three relegated teams hadn’t been so poor this season then we could have been dragged into a relegation fight this season.

 

[Raoul]

It took a miracle against Lyon to save the season where we blew a 2 goal lead against 10 men. I’m not certain the tie against Athletic is over either, we could still blow it in spectacular fashion. The fact Amorim is being given a pass is startling. I suppose the good looks and speaking well can take you far but I believe we’ve all been duped. He’s not made for English football.

CL qualification will be everything. Whatever our league position, if we qualify for the CL, its as good as a top four finish - both financially and in terms of attracting better players this summer.

 

[Sandikan]

8th after spending half a billion. That was one of the biggest jokes I can remember. From your post I would say you were one that was happy that eth kept his job after syphoning money through his sons agency?

I don't even know what you mean by the 2nd line, but 8th was a rock bottom disaster I thought and was obviously in need of a change.
I really don't understand how you took what I'd written as "ETH was great and should stay" either.

I don't even know how you judge this season, maybe add in "absolute" in front of the already defined disaster.

 

[NK86]

There's always someone who finds the absolute positive in any situation.

8th was dreadful last year and was what we probably deserved.
15-16th or wherever we are is an absolutely disaster.

Saved by winning the Euro if we can do that.

It's the most pressurised summer window we've ever had, as people seem to assume it's just a case of getting the right players in.
When in reality 1) that'll be very difficult and 2) there's very limited evidence this system will ever work, bar playing in Europe.

*bar playing against 10 men in Europe for more than 60 mins.

 

[Parma Dewol]

I like the guy, but in truth I’ve always got a soft spot for the manager. Sir Alex’s “your job now is to stand by our new manager” isn’t easy for me to forget.

That said, as much as I’d like to see Ruben turn it around, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was let go.

Winning the Europa League would be fantastic, but ultimately a cup run is not the best reflection of a team. The league table is the truest measure, and whichever way you look at it, 15th in the table is absolutely beyond the worst nightmare of anyone associated with United.

Rooting for the guy to win a trophy, after that what will be will be.

 

[Giggsy13]

Again, i lean towards giving a manager a pre season and a window - but have we shown enough to justify signing players to this system? If he's gone by october will we have square pegs for round holes when his replacement comes in? I suspect we'll scrape into the final, where our unbeaten european season will end the first time we face a PL team.

Any players we sign this should have the versatility to play in a back 4 or back 3 formation. Amorim will not succeed in England and for those who are still clamouring on to hope will learn the hard way next season.

 

[nacho cheese]

Results in PL at this point are insignificant now. He jus HAS to win the Europa league now. Do your best for the 2 games in EL. Nice to see Amad back & scoring. Amorim is going to be here at the start of the next season, he has to make his team play much better in the league than he has shown so far. I think the first 10-12 league games next season, will decide his future as the Manchester United manager.

 

[Sandikan]

*bar playing against 10 men in Europe for more than 60 mins.

Thankfully even us crap Premier league sides can look boss dogs in this cup.
Goodness knows what that nonsense Chelsea are playing is like.

 

[Garethw]

I think that’s really really harsh on the likes of Garna, Amad and Bruno myself.

It is. We’d be a hell of a lot better if Amad snd Garnacho were playing as wide forwards in a 433 right now.

 

[Swedish_Plumber]

It’s not utter bullshit, we’ve had luck and fortunate calls. We went down 4-2 to 10 men Lyon and needed a miracle to come back. The tie against athletic is not over either, and this manager has shown he’s not capable of setting up to protect a lead.

So we go 3-0 up in a tie away from home and people still can’t give credit. It’s all “ooh it’s still not over yet”. feck me.

Criticise the man and team when we’re shite but cmon to feck allow yourself some happiness when things actually go well. Must be a miserable existence living in a hypothetical horrendous second leg after one of our best away results ever in Europe.

 

[Raoul]

I like the guy, but in truth I’ve always got a soft spot for the manager. Sir Alex’s “your job now is to stand by our new manager” isn’t easy for me to forget.

That said, as much as I’d like to see Ruben turn it around, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was let go.

Winning the Europa League would be fantastic, but ultimately a cup run is not the best reflection of a team. The league table is the truest measure, and whichever way you look at it, 15th in the table is absolutely beyond the worst nightmare of anyone associated with United.

Rooting for the guy to win a trophy, after that what will be will be.

Fergie's comments about Moyes were obviously over the top since he basically selected Moyes to replace him.

 

[SER19]

Any players we sign this should have the versatility to play in a back 4 or back 3 formation. Amorim will not succeed in England and for those who are still clamouring on to hope will learn the hard way next season.

wont argue with you on that, its a fair position to take. I think 3 or 4 good signigns can change a lot but also completely understand fans who feel there just isnt enough cause for optimism. We are atrocious.

 

[Lentwood]

This is based on nonsense xG data. You can't get away with 7 positions worth of points luck over a 38 game season.

You can. 38 games is a really small sample size and the variance in football is huge.

Two or three teams are a bit better and the bottom three teams are much worse. The rest are much of a muchness and a few injuries or a bit of good or bad luck away from either 6th or 16th.

Forest also a good example of a side massively outperforming all reasonable metrics. They hardly have any possession. They hardly have any shots. They concede loads of shots on their own goal. I would be flabbergasted if they're top six next season. In fact, I would say more likely 14th than top 6 (with the current squad, obviously than can change if they spend £300m!)

 

[Aretak]

If we weren’t in the EL we probably wouldn't have played a heavily rotated team, and we’d have likely won it today. We still came close away from home against a good team.

Based on what? A team 9th in the table beat a team 15th in the table. I see the excuse of the day is that it was a weakened team (featuring no-hoper reserves like Shaw, De Ligt, Dorgu, Ugarte, Mainoo, Garnacho and Mount, along with Maguire, Yoro and Amad as subs). So what about every other week? The last league win came on March 16th and it was against Leicester, so doesn't really count. The one before that was against Ipswich on February 26th. Two league wins in two and a half months, both against relegated sides. And that's acceptable apparently. Nothing to worry about. You're allowed to completely give up on the league if you're chasing a cup. In fact, finishing 17th would actually be a good thing as it lowers expectations for next season!

The people with their heads in the sand over the league form are no different from those who got giddy about Ten Hag and did a 180 on his future after the cup final last season.

 

[soapythecat]

You can discredit the league performances all you want. I’d say that’s pretty fair given how things have gone. But you’re pulling shite from your arse saying we’re only that far in Europe due to red cards. Blatantly wrong to support an agenda.

Lyon - Red cards. Changed the game and we advanced.
Athletic - whilst being one up, we were under the cosh. The red card changed the game and we failed to capitalise on that even. At 11v11 we were exposed all over the pitch.
It’s not supporting an agenda, just the way I see it.
We’ve ridden our luck in the EL and even some of our PL wins have been fortunate.
My only agenda is hoping United don’t make the same mistake we did with ETH because it’s plainly obvious where we are going under Amorim.

 

[edgecutter]

He hasnt been left with a dud at all, yes some of the players are not at the level required to challenge for the title but we definitely have a squad strong enough to getting top 8 and the reason we are so far down the table is due to the manager and his refusal to change his tactic when it simply wont work with our current squad.

We brought him in to play this formation. The previous set up wasn't working either and we were playing some atrocious football.

I just don't get this fanbase. Every week we talk about how error prone our squad is and now we believe that they are good enough for the top 8.

How many of our players get into Newcastle's, Chelsea's, Brighton's...squads. very few if any.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Results in PL at this point are insignificant now. He jus HAS to win the Europa league now. Do your best for the 2 games in EL. Nice to see Amad back & scoring. Amorim is going to be here at the start of the next season, he has to make his team play much better in the league than he has shown so far. I think the first 10-12 league games next season, will decide his future as the Manchester United manager.

So when it’s a disaster the club has spent £200m and the season is a write off again? Sounds like dejavu.

 

[NK86]

Thankfully even us crap Premier league sides can look boss dogs in this cup.
Goodness knows what that nonsense Chelsea are playing is like.

Are you confident against an 11 men Bilbao on Thursday? We could not maintain a 2 goal lead for 45 mins against Lyon. I have no faith in our manager and his ability to set up a team to protect a lead.

 

[Blood Mage]

I just can’t see this system working.

Teams literally pile up the midfield against us and dominate.

5 at the back yet still shocking defensively.

It's a shambolic system that is so easy to tactically nullify. I'd love to huff some of that copium from the people who think he'll still be here by Christmas.

 

[klayton88]

First time doubt has crept in with him now. Almost a full season here and we are still as bad at passing the ball as we've been. The 18s and 21s still move the ball better. What is he doing with them in training? They look like they've never played together every single week. Rotations aside, it's the same story, we are one of, if not the worst team in the league at stringing 10 passes together.

 

[RedRocket9908]

We brought him in to play this formation. The previous set up wasn't working either and we were playing some atrocious football.

I just don't get this fanbase. Every week we talk about how error prone our squad is and now we believe that they are good enough for the top 8.

How many of our players get into Newcastle's, Chelsea's, Brighton's...squads. very few if any.

We finished 8th last season with an injury hit squad then strengthened last summer so 8th should be seen as the minimum capability of this squad

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

People discredit any of the positives we've seen under Amorim as being the result of "luck" but steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that some of the struggles he's had have equally been the result of misfortune that he simply cannot be blamed for.

I mean literally the match against Lyon, people here are talking about us needing a comeback from the heavens for us to win. Fair enough. Now also mention the dead rubber chance that Garnacho missed which would've put the tie to bed much, much sooner. Or the two absolute howlers from Onana in the first leg.

You don't only get to bring luck into the equation when it suits you. If you're going to be bringing up the good fortune Amorim has had in the matches we've won, you better be fecking ready to acknowledge the matches we've been the better side in under him and failed to win through piss-poor finishing or goalkeeping.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

The lack of overall quality in the squad is the biggest factor, by a significant margin.

You see, here’s an opinion that I wouldn’t call silly.

 

[edgecutter]

You can. 38 games is a really small sample size and the variance in football is huge.

Two or three teams are a bit better and the bottom three teams are much worse. The rest are much of a muchness and a few injuries or a bit of good or bad luck away from either 6th or 16th.

Forest also a good example of a side massively outperforming all reasonable metrics. They hardly have any possession. They hardly have any shots. They concede loads of shots on their own goal. I would be flabbergasted if they're top six next season. In fact, I would say more likely 14th than top 6 (with the current squad, obviously than can change if they spend £300m!)

Said it better than I. Last year we outperformed with our league position and were very lucky in so many of our games. Keeping Eth and giving him another 200 million to spend was bonkers. I like Zirkzee but he isn't worth 40 million nor 50 million for Ugarte.

 

[askabob]

For all of you who are Amorim in-

Is there anything that would make you want him out? What if he had lost 20 league games this season instead of 11 (!!). Or do you think that any manager who comes in mid-season should get a free hit until they get a summer transfer window?

What have we seen of Amorim over 6 months that makes us think he is worth spending our limited budget on?

Even if we fluke our way to a EL win, he should go.

 

[GlazersHater]

Questions have already been asked and answered throughout this thread.

I don't think they've been. While a few have called for it, most people still want him to stay and bring in his own players.

My main concern is that, although it’s clear we don’t have the right players for his system, he hasn’t yet shown that his system can actually work in the Premier League.

I like Amorim, but giving him the funds to sign players specifically for his style is a massive risk. What if it doesn’t work? We’d end up sacking him and leaving the next manager with a squad tailored to a system that very few coaches use. For our current position that’s a huge gamble that would set us back even further if it doesn't work.

I still believe Amorim can turn things around, I felt the same way about Ten Hag for what it's worth, but right now, the performances and results don’t support taking such a risk. It feels less like a well-considered decision and more like a desperate Hail Mary.

 

[MonkeysMagic]

It was being objective about the PL season, I would put 30% blame on Amorim but 70% on players. All of us that have seen these players under different managers, know they are not good enough for Utd and probably PL.

In a team of mostly good players, the awful ones can be hidden as are only required to contribute sparsely but in a team of mostly terrible players, there is no hiding place. I don't believe we are going to see the 'massive overhaul' some are anticipating, CL or not, I think we'll see around 4/5 new players but more leaving when you add the three on loan and 3 coming towards end of contract.

This means the likes of Amass/Obi/Fredricson/Heaven stepping up next season, then we'll know whether Amorim can improve players as quite clearly he's not managed to polish any turds this season!

 

[Shark]

So when it’s a disaster the club has spent £200m and the season is a write off again? Sounds like dejavu.

I'm tired of write off seasons, and being told everything will be fine if we get the manager throwing away another season X, Y and Z players. Nobody would be complaining if our league form was average right now, but it's chronically below average. Anyone who doesn't understand the doubts fans are having over going to next season with this manager, on the back of this form is just delusional.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Results in PL at this point are insignificant now. He jus HAS to win the Europa league now. Do your best for the 2 games in EL. Nice to see Amad back & scoring. Amorim is going to be here at the start of the next season, he has to make his team play much better in the league than he has shown so far. I think the first 10-12 league games next season, will decide his future as the Manchester United manager.

This is it basically.

Although I wouldn’t be amazed to see ruthless Jim sack him regardless and replace him with Carlo.

 

[FreakyJim]

Loss after loss, shite performance after shite performance - great momentum for next season.

 

[McLvnsMuse]

I just can’t wrap my head around having more defenders in the box but conceding more goals.

Some of it is on the players but a good chunk is on the coaching.

He better be planning the preseason boot camp of a lifetime and the club better get serious about recruitment

 

[GaryLifo]

This shit pisses me off. All negative and can’t even give credit where we’ve done well. We’re in the semi finals of the EL because of only luck with red cards? Just utter bullshit.

Rival fan pretending to be a United fan most likely mate. Use the ignore function like I have