Allow me to change the parameters, he's been a top ten attacker in the league.
Matheus Cunha £62.5m release clause | Not a striker
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Makes sense, I figured the amount would be lower, but maybe we're really splitting the instalments up.
I know you were tongue in cheek, but I got a horrible feeling that we may do one deal early, then it will only be outgoings until after July 1st because of PSR reporting period.
Normally wouldn’t be an issue, but I think this time RA needs as much time with the new players/squad as possible to mould them into what he wants.
My biggest worry by far this summer is simply that we won’t sign anyone who can score goals again
Been harping on about it for 3-4 years now. Always gets ignored. Wouldn’t put it past them signing Cunha and saying that’s our main forward signing. Goals will still remain a huge issue.
This would be so typical…
We sell Garnacho and pay £62.5m for Cunha this summer.
Cunha puts up similar numbers to Nacho for us and Amorim gets the sack.
The new manager goes back to playing with wingers, Cunha stagnates and Garnacho improves at his new club leaving everyone wondering why we ever sold him and bought Cunha.
Rinse. Repeat.
The same club that spent 105m on Zirkzee and Hojlund instead of 100m on Kane will tell us there isn’t enough money to buy a proper goalscorer
Yeah could’ve signed Kane, Tielemans and Sommer for less than Højlund, Mount and Onana that summer. Depressing but it highlights that it isn’t about spending but how we are spending. If they would just get their act together with a proper footballing structure we could get better while saving the club money as well.
IMO that's unlikely. All rumors point to a busy summer with many possible accounting tricks for PSR purposes. I'm guessing another 200M+ summer.
I think they sell one of Garna / Mainoo for decent money and that gives you a ton of PSR space.
There's always training grounds and hotels to sell and naming rights to give away
It's a make or break summer for INEOS and already we're linked to Cunha, Delap, Semenyo, Dibling and Mbuemo not to mention midfielders like Ederson and a GK. It points to a clear player profile that they're looking at. It remains to be seen how many of those we sign and how much we pay for each.
If they feck this up, Glazers will say, thank you very much for your contributions, we'll get our guys in-charge again. Or hopefully SJR and Glazers decide to sell and get out of this mess, which honestly is fine by me.
Not sure why people are bringing up Kane. Levy would never have sold him to us for £100m, so there’s little point in saying we would have got him for that much.
Exactly there was no chance of us or any other English team signing Kane
I wouldn’t rule out spending £200m, especially if we qualify for the CL. I just worry that we won’t sign anyone who can score goals, again.
According to reliable outlets like the athletic, Kane wanted United ahead of all others. If he demanded the move, levy either takes the 100m or gets nothing the following year. It was a Van Persie situation.
Where?
I recall the athletic saying that Murtough didn’t want to deal with Levy because it would have dragged on all summer and it was far too expensive. All I can find about him preferring to move to us is from the Daily Mail, which isn’t the best of sources.
Must’ve been talk of the devils since I don’t have an athletic subscription and all their stuff is behind a paywall.
Simple. We put a buy-back clause on Garnacho.
Pretty much what I expect to happen, no doubt. Similar story to Mainoo for me. Yeah he's been poor this season, but easy to see him thrive in a midfield 3 which our eventual new manager may or may not prefer
Simple. We put a buy-back clause on Mainoo.
You say that as if the buying club had no say in this.
If Mainoo was such a big talent, they would accept it.
If we were buying a young player like that, would you? If he were to move, it'd be to a big team, they rarely do buybacks.
Drama
It's ridiculous. The minute the dearth of strikers are discussed people keep flogging the dead horse that is "We should have signed Kane". All this despite the fact that Levy was never selling to an English club and he'd already knocked back Man City's 100m offer. But sure that same Levy would have happily sold him to United.
That shouldn't be an issue as pre-season starts end of July anyway, as long as all the work is done before that of course. Just the announcements can be delayed after.
The guy is a brilliant player, I rate him a lot and don't share the view that he'll be wasted if we switch to 4-3-3. He can operate as an inside left forward or a 10. However, considering we're on about a cultural reset, we'd better have done our homework around his attitude as listening to Wolves fans and some of the stuff that has come out in the media, it doesn't look good on the surface .
Last thing we need is drama.
Last thing we need is drama.
I read somewhere players back at the start of July because there’s no international tournament. Tour is end of July.
Like you said it shouldn’t be an issue, but I take nothing for granted anymore.
I'm not sure about this yet. If we're financially a bit tight, it wouldn't make sense.
The more I watch us, the more a central midfielder becomes essential. We need someone who is comfortable in central midfield against big teams that can help us play through the press and doesn't get bullied.
We're okay in the 10 positions with Amad, Bruno, Garnacho, probably Zirkzee as well. Mount too. But until we fix central midfield, we're just gonna get bullied along the backline again and again.
The more I watch us, the more a central midfielder becomes essential. We need someone who is comfortable in central midfield against big teams that can help us play through the press and doesn't get bullied.
We're okay in the 10 positions with Amad, Bruno, Garnacho, probably Zirkzee as well. Mount too. But until we fix central midfield, we're just gonna get bullied along the backline again and again.
That's not what Amorim is looking for and we can gather that from his choices at Sporting. He's not a manager who prioritises manoeuvring the ball through the midfield. The backline will play higher up so that the ball can get to the wingbacks in more advanced positions who in turn develop the play from an outside in basis. Ball progression in Amorim's system is fundamentally built on interchanging from wide areas.
The midfielder United are almost guaranteed to find is an energetic box to box to cover the spaces. How many press resistant midfielders are there in world football who can play in a double pivot? Ederson / Hjulmand are the types of profile the club will target.
100% as much as I think Carrick is over rated on here, he would be so perfect for this team, or a later career Giggs or Scholes.
From our current squad none of our players is right for the role alongside Ugarte, there are a few like Bruno and Mainoo who can play there but are a lacking aspects in the game to make them perfect for that role, I also think that Ugarte is lacking the composure on the ball and passing range that he needs to be 100% the player we need in the 1st 11, for now he is fine but long term I see him being more rotational.
Hjulmand is that kind of player though. He's not Toni Kroos but he does the same thing in the team, the ball goes to him and they play from there. He's the type of player we're desperate for.
Amorim specifically went away from the energetic box to box Ugarte in favour of a more positionally disciplined, secure on the ball player in Hjulmand.
With him and Ugarte, we will likely break the yellow card record. Would be fun to watch.
Sadly I don't think he'd be available within our budget anyway, but he'd certainly make our midfielder harder to press!
For those worried that if we ended up with a new manager playing 433 and that Cunha wouldn't fit in, do you think in the CF role in a 433 he would deliver more goals than Hojlund?
By all accounts, and by that I mean Wolves fans, he's not a CF and was disappointing when they played him there
You might be able to get away with that as a dominant team in Portugal, but we're doomed if he's that absolute in his thought process about the midfield and midfield battles in the PL. You absolutely have to be able to play yourself out of trouble as an individual in deep midfield here or you will be targeted as a weak link.
CB's playing out is all well and good when you are in control of the game and have the ball, but it's too fast-paced and interwoven for that to be the case with any frequency for a team like us. We'd have to be as authoritative as City used to be at their best to exert that kind of control, but the amount of exploits there should (when) it goes wrong would be a disaster waiting to happen.
Would like to think Amorim's scope is not as narrow and limited as ten Hag's was with regard to the PL, otherwise we may as well start planning for life without him.
Even if that were the case, the fact that Kane was willing to negotiate and join Bayern suggests he would not have made those demands to Levy. It's a moot point.
Yet he had no issues sanctioning a 70m deal for a former Atalanta striker who scored around 9 Serie A goals in his entire career. Please remind me were Murtough moved after United sacked him?
Financially tight when you see City splashing £125m plus on Wirtz is let's just say galling to say the least. Really believe he can be a success here, however we still need to add so much more.
He wants the job
He doesn't seem that skillful for a Brazilian player.
Who was the mast great Brazilian player who was a bit more power than fluid?
Who was the mast great Brazilian player who was a bit more power than fluid?
Casemiro