Why would you buy another 21 year old? He's still very young and inexperienced to be our main striker.Really good post.u
The main reason I prefer Delap over Gyokeres is that Delap is a lot younger, will cost less and be on lower wages.
Forest would be a really good fit for Gyokeres. He's closer in style to Chris Wood so would be a good replacement for him. I don't think Forest would be able to get him unless they get Champions League football though.
Jeez that is a damning statHe needs a fresh start so badly. The other day I saw somewhere that Cucurella has outscored him in the league this season. Yikes.
It's not only his age. He has only scored 2 more league goals and same amount of assists as Hojlund did for us last season with less games. Also this season it's 12 vs 10 in total if we include Europa league. They are completely different types of players of course and the eye test says Delap is way better suited to our style, but still I would rather get a proven goalscorer for a bit more money than putting all the pressure on another 22 year old who just had his first season on top level (and before, he scored 8 goals in the Championship. Wouldn't call that impressive).I do think Delap is getting into very underrated territory now by many just because they see the stats and his age and think Hojlund regen.
I'd be fine getting Delap (with hojlund leaving), provided we also grab Cunha, Cherki, another midfielder etc. There's only so much we can do in one summer and you have to be smart on which targets are attainable AND worth allocating budgets to. Obviously our attack needs a big time revamp, but there are a lot of ways to go about that.
As would I, but Gyokeres and Osimhen are really the only two options there for "proven" and one might not even want to join while the other seemingly wants monster wages to come. My point is Delap would be fine as a consolation prize if it means we spend more to surround him with quality and make his job easier.It's not only his age. He has only scored 2 more league goals and same amount of assists as Hojlund did for us last season with less games. Also this season it's 12 vs 10 in total if we include Europa league. They are completely different types of players of course and the eye test says Delap is way better suited to our style, but still I would rather get a proven goalscorer for a bit more money than putting all the pressure on another 22 year old who just had his first season on top level (and before, he scored 8 goals in the Championship. Wouldn't call that impressive).
I would take Ekitike over him, who would cost double, but is a better long term investmentAs would I, but Gyokeres and Osimhen are really the only two options there for "proven" and one might not even want to join while the other seemingly wants monster wages to come. My point is Delap would be fine as a consolation prize if it means we spend more to surround him with quality and make his job easier.
I also think people will be surprised by Zirkzee next year when he's surrounded by better attackers. He's not a good main striker, but he's an excellent force multiplier if you have productive goalscorers around him to allow him to facilitate.
Why would you buy another 21 year old? He's still very young and inexperienced to be our main striker.
In this particular position we need an experienced striker and proven goal scorer and Gyokeres would be a perfect signing.
Delap is Hojlund 2.0 in making. He could only be our backup striker behind Gyokeres, if you really wanna buy him.
See but you just said you wanted a proven goalscorer. I love Ekitike as well, but he's certainly not "proven" at all and you'd still be doing the same thing you lamented earlier with sticking a young striker up top with the pressure of leading the line, only this time he costs double and would prevent another attacking signing to supplement him.I would take Ekitike over him, who would cost double, but is a better long term investment
He's definitely more proven than Delap. Had a good breakthrough season in Ligue Un, moved to a top club too early and then made a step back to Frankfurt where they have an eye for great talents and instantly became a goal scoring forward again. We could say there were bad examples in the past like Andre Silva or Jovic, but Ekitike looks different. He is the closest CF to Isak in terms of playing style, while the forementioned two were typical finishers. I would still prefer Osimhen or Gyokeres but if they are not available I'd rather take the better talent. And I think his past experience will have made him a more mature player.See but you just said you wanted a proven goalscorer. I love Ekitike as well, but he's certainly not "proven" at all and you'd still be doing the same thing you lamented earlier with sticking a young striker up top with the pressure of leading the line, only this time he costs double and would prevent another attacking signing to supplement him.
Im pretty confident that if a striker can only manage a 2.5:1 ratio in the bundesliga, then they will more than likely not be improving upon that in the premier league.People saying that Gyokeres is playing in a weak league and that Portuguese league strikers always flop:
If we look at the past 15(!!) seasons, only three players have really stood out in the goalscoring charts. These three have scored over 30+ in a single season.
Gyokeres, Jonas and Bas Dost.
Everyone else, despite being top scorer, didn't score anywhere close to Gyokeres has done.
Jonas had a 3:1 game to goal ratio in a pretty poor Valencia.
Bas Dost had a 2.5:1 game to goal ratio in a pretty poor Frankfurt.
Neither of these leagues are bad leagues and neither of these goal ratios are bad.
If Gyokeres has a 2.5:1 game to goal ratio in a a "pretty poor Man Utd Team", that translates to about a 20 goal a season striker. A MASSIVE upgrade on what we have now.
All I'll say is the people hyping gyokeres likely do not watch him play. They're going off his numbers which are impressive outside of context.
There are two outcomes i see with him in the prem. Either he becomes a decent PL striker (he doesn't have an elite level in premier league football even in his best outcome) or he's a complete flop. I'm leaning 60-40 towards flop right now
Im pretty confident that if a striker can only manage a 2.5:1 ratio in the bundesliga, then they will more than likely not be improving upon that in the premier league.
You’ve omitted the most important competition, why?Gyokeres isn't proven outside of the Championship and Portugese league though.
I have no doubt if we were to sign him he'd get around 10 to 15 goals at this level, I just don't think he's the elite player some people seem to think he is. A big part of it is that I don't think there's any more to come from Gyokeres, whereas Delap still has potential.
I understand why a lot of people want him as they see him as a quick fix, but we need to be building something that can challenge again in a few years time. Delap is the better long term option in my opinion.
He's definitely more proven than Delap. Had a good breakthrough season in Ligue Un, moved to a top club too early and then made a step back to Frankfurt where they have an eye for great talents and instantly became a goal scoring forward again. We could say there were bad examples in the past like Andre Silva or Jovic, but Ekitike looks different. He is the closest CF to Isak in terms of playing style, while the forementioned two were typical finishers. I would still prefer Osimhen or Gyokeres but if they are not available I'd rather take the better talent. And I think his past experience will have made him a more mature player.
Gyökeres last championship season had 31 goal involvement. Delap had 9. Hope that helps.
All of that is fair, but do we want another project up top?Delap was 20/21 that season.
When Gyorkeres was 20/21 he was playing for Brighton's reserves.
When Gyorkeres was 21/22 he was out on loan at St. Pauli in Bundesliga 2, scoring a fairly unimpressive 7 league goals in 26 appearances.
When Gyorkeres was 22/23 he made 30 appearances in the championship across 2 loans, scoring a grand total of 3 goals.
So Delap has actually done much more than Gyorkeres at their respective ages...
I actually like Gyorkeres and he's be my preferred signing for us this summer, but using this comparison as a stick to hit Delap with makes no sense when context is added.
Scored a hattrick v City?The quality of opposition is just too much of a red flag for me. Look at any compilation of all his goals for Sporting and ask yourself how many are a) penalties or b) absolute clown level defending/keeping. The number is way over half.
Reminds me a little bit of the Sancho goals and assists compilations from Dortmund, where the majority were clearly helped by suicidally high Bundesliga defensive lines and mostly just required pretty simple/calm play. Of course it's not impossible he translates it, like Bruno and others have done.
Gyokeres is literally holjund 2.0, he's the better version of the player holjund currently is.
I can't overstate how much I think he flops in the Premier league. His game has so many holes. Can't deal with contact, awkward on the ball/poor reactions in the box (takes too long to shoot), sucks aerially etc.
If you watch him he has the same body mechanism issues as holjund but he's a more refined, smarter player than him so it works for him to an extent.
People are convinced by him cause he's performing against horrible defences but he isn't what we need.
I have way more confidence in delap as a potential signing. Hopefully arsenal are stupid enough to sign him before we make another horrible mistake in the market
Two of which were pens.Scored a hattrick v City?
I don't follow?You’ve omitted the most important competition, why?
Agreed I’ve got a few posts in here which are quite similar. I think he’ll score some goals but nowhere near the rate being suggested or close to his Sporting record, way too many red flagsGyokeres is literally holjund 2.0, he's the better version of the player holjund currently is.
I can't overstate how much I think he flops in the Premier league. His game has so many holes. Can't deal with contact, awkward on the ball/poor reactions in the box (takes too long to shoot), sucks aerially etc.
If you watch him he has the same body mechanism issues as holjund but he's a more refined, smarter player than him so it works for him to an extent.
People are convinced by him cause he's performing against horrible defences but he isn't what we need.
I have way more confidence in delap as a potential signing. Hopefully arsenal are stupid enough to sign him before we make another horrible mistake in the market
People saying that Gyokeres is playing in a weak league and that Portuguese league strikers always flop:
If we look at the past 15(!!) seasons, only three players have really stood out in the goalscoring charts. These three have scored over 30+ in a single season.
Gyokeres, Jonas and Bas Dost.
Everyone else, despite being top scorer, didn't score anywhere close to Gyokeres has done.
Jonas had a 3:1 game to goal ratio in a pretty poor Valencia.
Bas Dost had a 2.5:1 game to goal ratio in a pretty poor Frankfurt.
Neither of these leagues are bad leagues and neither of these goal ratios are bad.
If Gyokeres has a 2.5:1 game to goal ratio in a a "pretty poor Man Utd Team", that translates to about a 20 goal a season striker. A MASSIVE upgrade on what we have now.
All of that is fair, but do we want another project up top?
I agree the comparison is a bit off, but if it's about who should lead our line, it's a bit different
Never going to happen. The Delap thread is full of people saying he won't go to Newcastle, Chelsea et al because he won't want to be go somewhere and not be number one but for some reason people think he would be fine to come here as a backup. Leaving that aside we simply don't have the budget for two strikers and have given zero indication we have any interst in signing two players for that position. It is Delap or Gyokeres and currently Delap is the one to whom we have credible links as being our first choice signing for the role.We'll ideally sign both Gyokeres and Delap then send hojlund out on loan for a season.
TalkSport have been half decent over the past few windows to be fairMeh, Talksport
If we can somehow get him, Cunha AND Delap I think we would have some serious fire power up top. I don’t see it as impossible either when I think of the players we will be selling and the potential money from the champions league. The net cost would be around £100m so I think we’d have maybe £50m for a midfielder like Ederson and then I’d look for a couple of out of contract or last year midfield players to build out the squad. Think we can leave defence for another year, there’s enough there to work with, although we will probably prioritise a wing back.
Whilst I don’t think that WILL happen, I’d love to see us be in a place where we have four functioning strikers in the squad.
They've just been riding rumour waves. I don't think they've broken anything.TalkSport have been half decent over the past few windows to be fair
I don't follow?
Bolded.Gyokeres has the 2nd top mins to goals in poruguese league history. 1st was Mario Jardel who once scored 10 goals in 13 appearances in the champions league until Porto went out to Bayern in the quarter finals
I think the league is a bit stronger than back then so Gyokeres record is probably a bit better when you also consider that.
He will score goals. He will make some of his own goals. But he isnt perfect and doesnt have to be. I think of him more as a Striker version of McTominay, but on top of that is quite fast. I dont think he's a particularly fancy technical player. But he can take a good first touch and shoot or he can shift the ball past a player and run them. Most importantly he is a goalscorer and will get some efforts on goal.
Gyokeres has 6 goals in the champions league this season from 6 starts and 2 sub appearances. 1 goal against Lille, 0 goals against PSV, 1 goal 1 assist against Sturm Gratz, 3 goals against Man City, 0 goals against Arsenal, 0 goals against Brugge, 1 goal against Leipzig, and then 0 goals against Dortmund. Thats more than decent against Champions League opposition this season. Last season he had 5 goals in the champions league in 8 starts and 2 sub appearances. 2 of the goals were penalties in each of those champions league campaigns so 4 and 3 in open play if you put them aside.
He's the closest thing to surefire top striker signing. And thats why I doubt we'll get him. I think he'll have offers from some of the top clubs who are doing a lot better so I'll believe it when I see him confirmed as signing for us, till then I doubt it.
