I hope we choose him over Delap.....
The Rasmus project is a complete failure and should tell us not to have a young talent lead the line. We need Gyokeres.
Viktor Gyökeres
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I hope we choose him over Delap.....
The Rasmus project is a complete failure and should tell us not to have a young talent lead the line. We need Gyokeres.
In general United fans (and a lot of the bigger clubs tbf) I don’t think put much stock in players who do well in the championship and sometimes just straight up are oblivious to it.
It’s one of my biggest annoyances with our transfer activity over the years that we never look to that league despite the fact it produces exceptional talent. Off the top of my head, Olise, Toney, Eze, Gyokeres, Watkins, Mbeumo, Bowen, Wharton. Of course there’s lot of failures too but we never seem to take a chance despite the players never actually costing that much.
Maybe now we’re a bottom half club we may look to that league….
Gyokeres is literally holjund 2.0, he's the better version of the player holjund currently is.
I can't overstate how much I think he flops in the Premier league. His game has so many holes. Can't deal with contact, awkward on the ball/poor reactions in the box (takes too long to shoot), sucks aerially etc.
If you watch him he has the same body mechanism issues as holjund but he's a more refined, smarter player than him so it works for him to an extent.
People are convinced by him cause he's performing against horrible defences but he isn't what we need.
I have way more confidence in delap as a potential signing. Hopefully arsenal are stupid enough to sign him before we make another horrible mistake in the market
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Im sure we'd chose Gyokeres if he was open to us.
But Delap is also far better than Hojlund. Not really fair to rule him out as a very good option for any club.
You’re massively in the minority here.
Quite the take. He's looking likely to be a PL player so I want to see how this post ages
The only one that's accurate there is that he does indeed suck aerially. No idea where you're getting the other points from but I'm going to assume you don't watch him regularly because the reverse is true. He's fantastic with the ball and using his body to get a shot off.
All I'll say is the people hyping gyokeres likely do not watch him play. They're going off his numbers which are impressive outside of context.
There are two outcomes i see with him in the prem. Either he becomes a decent PL striker (he doesn't have an elite level in premier league football even in his best outcome) or he's a complete flop. I'm leaning 60-40 towards flop right now
How much have you watched him? This is literally one of his strengths, really good at getting his shot off in the box in weird/tight spaces, also generates insane amount of power with not much of a back lift.
The only doubts I have are with his physicality, although he did look pretty decent against City and Arsenal's defence, doing that week in-week out is a different story.
I think he's better than Hojlund, but he is massively overrated on here.
My biggest concern is that he has such a slow turn and at the age of 27 he's yet to prove himself outside of an incredibly weak league. Vangelis Pavlidis is the next highest scorer in that league, would anybody want him?
Yeah I did wonder about that because I’ve rarely seen him head the ball
I'm scaling his game to Premier league football based on what I've seen from him at a much lower level. Look I don't have anything against gyokeres but people are seriously overhyping the guy.
It's almost like everyone is forgetting how poorly otherwise prolific primera liga strikers have adapted to the Premier league in recent years (Bas dost,nunez)
His shot is great. I have no problem with his shooting mechanics its one of the stronger parts of his game (same can be said for holjund actually) My problem is how he gets off shots. Somebody above me said he's good at getting shots off in tight spaces and I just disagree. He has similar turning radius to maguire
I think he's going at shooting when he can make space for himself which works well in the primera where the defenders react poorly to his physicality. In the prem no such space exists, there are many defenders who can overpower him as we've seen with holjund. You can't rely solely on your physical/athletic attributes. And gyokeres simply has poor shooting reactions in the box relative to prem football. It's not his fault it's a body mechanism issue.
He also has poor box movement so don't expect him to succeed against low blocks.
As far as I'm concerned there's not much in it between delap and gyokeres as far as skill-set. The plus in delap's favour is that he's shown an aptitude for the intensity of the league and he has better reactive shooting. Also I think he's stronger.
Gyokeres ball playing skills are okay. They don't really scale to the prem either though since his stats are inflated from the amount of crossing he does due to his channel runs.
Basically I think he'd have the best chance of succeeding playing for a counter-attacking/transition based team that let's him play to his strengths (which are his ball carrying) so maybe nottingham forest?
A more possession-oriented side which requires consistent hold up play and link up abilities won't get much of a tune out of him imo. Arsenal more so because they create so much from crosses and he clogs up the spaces their wingers operate in. They should go for sesko.
Edit: bas dost did not play in the prem apparently but I do remember him flopping outside of primera so point still stands. There's also other forwards who couldn't make it but their names escape me at the moment.
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Veiled brag that you live in an alternate universe where Bas Dost played in the PL.
He is good getting long balls and sometimes he uses headers to activate his runs or to pass to another player.
Again not his main strength though.
Really good post.
The main reason I prefer Delap over Gyokeres is that Delap is a lot younger, will cost less and be on lower wages.
Forest would be a really good fit for Gyokeres. He's closer in style to Chris Wood so would be a good replacement for him. I don't think Forest would be able to get him unless they get Champions League football though.
The point is Dost scored 76 goals in 83 League games for Sporting over three seasons. Yet nobody would have been advocating for signing him at that point.
You don't compare a player that has scored so many goals, even in Europe to Delap.
You just have to be clever.
Buy him for 60M€.
Sell Hojlund for 30M and you cut loose on this.
We should have done eveything to get Kane two years ago and failed, and have again the same thing now where we need an established striker.
IF we have Cunha, Zirkzee as backup for Gyokeres, it would be fine
You just have to be clever.
Buy him for 60M€.
Sell Hojlund for 30M and you cut loose on this.
We should have done eveything to get Kane two years ago and failed, and have again the same thing now where we need an established striker.
IF we have Cunha, Zirkzee as backup for Gyokeres, it would be fine
He is but it is still a huge resposibility which I dont think he is ready for
Can clearly say you don't watch him play. Even just watching his highlights will show otherwise. C'mon guys, yes he's being overrated here and it's impossible to tell whether his skills will transfer well to the EPL, but you couldn't be more wrong when it comes to describing the player.
Turning radius of Maguire it seems. Ffs
I think that's a fair comparison. They have actually had similar careers. Both were Championship level strikers in their early 20's.
Nothing similar in style.
I’m old enough not to recall.
*laughing here.
Yeah, I mean it should be due diligence for a club with the scouting network the size of ours. We should have our finger on the pulse with the Championship.
I’ve tried to be more open minded about the Championship in the last couple of years myself, but paid it no mind at the time Gyökeres was there. From the sound of yours and @didz post, he was a breakout star in the making and has just continued the upward trajectory unabated.
Harry Kane was playing in the Championship in his early 20's. At least Gyokeres was excelling at Coventry.
My own confirmation bias should have me screw my face up at this post, instead, it reminds me of how different a player can look from one pair of eyes to another.
Thing is, this may turn out to be risible, or it could be prophetic if he comes to the PL and bombs - certainly a post to bookmark for assessment in a couple of years.
If he wants to win things, why on earth would he want to go to Arsenal? What have they won in the last 5 years?
What makes you think Delap is a better fit?
I’m hearing all the arguments for and against Gyokeres and Delap, and while they’re all thought provoking and very valid, my mind settles on the very issue of possible outcomes:
* Which one of the two would most likely yield higher output?
* Which one of the two would most likely integrate better with the squad as it stands?
* Whiich one of the two would yield better return given their market valuation? (i.e., goals per $)
Clearly, there’s a ceiling we cannot overcome for what we can buy (hence why it appears Gyokeres is our ceiling, whereas perhaps Delap may be our floor).
Said differently, and looking at it from the worst case scenario, if Gyokeres turns out to be Darwin Nuñez 2.0, does that supersede Ipswich’s Delap output, per 90 metrics?
Would love to hear.
* Which one of the two would most likely yield higher output?
* Which one of the two would most likely integrate better with the squad as it stands?
* Whiich one of the two would yield better return given their market valuation? (i.e., goals per $)
Clearly, there’s a ceiling we cannot overcome for what we can buy (hence why it appears Gyokeres is our ceiling, whereas perhaps Delap may be our floor).
Said differently, and looking at it from the worst case scenario, if Gyokeres turns out to be Darwin Nuñez 2.0, does that supersede Ipswich’s Delap output, per 90 metrics?
Would love to hear.
Most enthusiastic crowd rousers - three years on the trot. You’ll never sing that.
They may have the championship in common but stylistically they are like chalk and cheese
Missed the boat on Kane now so academic
We weren’t at the harbour, or any other EPL side for that matter. Anyone that thinks otherwise is deluding themselves
For what it's worth, he just followed Bruno on Instagram.
I’d take both Delap and Gyokeres if there was any possibility
That seems incredibly harsh. Compared to Højlund he seems very nimble, agile and balanced.
Funny and sad how Hojlund is now disgraced as a lows benchmark
Pretty certain that's not a possibility
He needs a fresh start so badly. The other day I saw somewhere that Cucurella has outscored him in the league this season. Yikes.Funny and sad how Hojlund is now disgraced as a lows benchmark
Yeah could imagine him DM'ing that to Bruno
I do think Delap is getting into very underrated territory now by many just because they see the stats and his age and think Hojlund regen.
I'd be fine getting Delap (with hojlund leaving), provided we also grab Cunha, Cherki, another midfielder etc. There's only so much we can do in one summer and you have to be smart on which targets are attainable AND worth allocating budgets to. Obviously our attack needs a big time revamp, but there are a lot of ways to go about that.