Bruno Fernandes Out?

We aren't a top team. We have a historic name but it's not representative of where we are now. Look at the league table. Comparing our situation with Bruno to Liverpool'situation with Salah is just self flattery.

The point is, every top team needs brilliant experienced players too.

If we want to be a top team again and help our young players reach their potential, which I assume we do sooner rather than later, we’ll need top experienced players like Bruno regardless.

What’s your plan? Sell him and use the money on a couple more 22-25 year olds who could easily turn out as shite as most of our other signings?
 
Schrödinger's Manchester United

Both a small club and like Real Madrid at the same time. Current state changes based on agenda.
 
Alexis Sanchez, Van Persie, Hazard.
Willingly? Each of those examples told the club that they would not renew at the end of their current deal, all of which had 12 months left, meaning the club sold them rather than lose them on free transfers.
 
The point is, every top team needs brilliant experienced players too.

If we want to be a top team again and help our young players reach their potential, which I assume we do sooner rather than later, we’ll need top experienced players like Bruno regardless.

What’s your plan? Sell him and use the money on a couple more 22-25 year olds who could easily turn out as shite as most of our other signings?
This is exactly right. But when you ask 'what's the plan?' the answer you get back is 'I'm not in charge of recruitment but they should know'. Basically, the argument seems to be that:

- We aren't title challengers so shouldn't be paying players title challenger money, regardless of how good they are
- We should sell players that are around 30 if a decent offer comes in on the assumption that they'll decline soon, regardless of how well they're playing and how important to the team they are
- We should use the money to buy two better players (because it's that easy) but don't ask me who as I'm not a scout.
1 in 5 is regular.
I'd not be buying anyone, but would expect the recruitment team to have a plan.
Bruno is a long term part of an under performing team, he earns title challenging money in a team that's nowhere near and very unlikely to be one prior to his contract expiry.
As has already been pointed out, this isn't out of step with other players playing this role
 
The point is, every top team needs brilliant experienced players too.

If we want to be a top team again and help our young players reach their potential, which I assume we do sooner rather than later, we’ll need top experienced players like Bruno regardless.

What’s your plan? Sell him and use the money on a couple more 22-25 year olds who could easily turn out as shite as most of our other signings?
I can tell you with absolute certainty that we won't be a top team before Bruno goes off a cliff edge. He's 31 in September. It'll take years to be competing at the top again and Bruno will be gone by then either way. Imo he's got 1 to at the absolute most 3 seasons before real deterioration sets in. For that simple reason Bruno's presence or absence won't be the determining factor in any United return to the top.
 
I can tell you with absolute certainty that we won't be a top team before Bruno goes off a cliff edge. He's 31 in September. It'll take years to be competing at the top again and Bruno will be gone by then either way. Imo he's got 1 to at the absolute most 3 seasons before real deterioration sets in. For that simple reason Bruno's presence or absence won't be the determining factor in any United return to the top.
Funny isn't it, as without him this season we'd probably have been relegated. So maybe it's not just about 'will he help us to win titles?' Also, getting top 4 is enormously important and I don't think we should be writing off the possibility of competing for top four in the next few years. And for that we've got a much better chance with Bruno than without him.
 
Schrödinger's Manchester United

Both a small club and like Real Madrid at the same time. Current state changes based on agenda.
:lol: It is amusing watching posters tie themselves in knots to advocate for selling Bruno.

"Look at what Real Madrid did with selling Casemiro"

"Okay, but look at what Liverpool did with keeping Salah"

"No, no. We're not a top team anymore. We can't compare ourselves to them"
 
Do you trust the club to do an overhaul considering our signings over the past decade? Bruno is the one gem we signed among countless duds.
Based on INEOS early moves, I would say its a promising start. I am especially encouraged by their push for the brightest youth prospects like Kone, Ob-Martin and Enzo Biyik. That said, the real test will be the summer window. If they secure a top-tier striker or two, a #10 and a midfielder while cutting deadwood like Sancho and Rashford, I will be cautiously optimistic about our future.

Players signed by INEOS
Leny Yoro: £52m
Ugarte: £42m
deLigt: £38m
Zirkzee: £36m
Mazraoui: £13m
Dorgu: £25m
Heaven: £1m
Diego Leon: £6.5m
Total spent: £213.5m

Players sold
McTomminay: £26m
Greenwood: £22m
AWB: £15m
Kambwala: £8.5m
Hannibal: £5.5m
Pellistri: £5m
Alvaro: £5m
DVB: £400K
Total sale: £87.4m

Players on-loan
Sancho
Antony
Rashford
Malacia
 
You don’t win trophies when you lose possession 27 times in a final . Even in Sunday League it’s unacceptable to lose possession 27 times .
 
He deserves to win trophies and play at the highest level. Ain’t going to happen with this toxic football club.
He doesn't "deserve" a fecking thing because he is not nearly the player that a lot of you on here seem to think he is.
 
Oh bore off. Literally carried our fecking season, putting in performances every year and some of you are never fecking happy.
"Carried" us to 16th going on 17th. Amazing. Give him the Ballon D'or. The level of delusion in here is astounding.
 
You don’t win trophies when you lose possession 27 times in a final . Even in Sunday League it’s unacceptable to lose possession 27 times .
Ouch, that’s insanely terrible, even more so from his “deeper” role. Not sure what happened to him yesterday - but he lost his head and composure. Amorim playing him in that deeper role also didn’t help at all.
 
"Carried" us to 16th going on 17th. Amazing. Give him the Ballon D'or. The level of delusion in here is astounding.
Weirdly, good players can play in bad teams. Just because a team is bad it doesn't automatically mean that all is constituent parts are. Revelatory I know but glad to educate.
 
Sometimes moving a player on can be beneficial for a club, but ultimately without him we are starving for a player who can at least deliver in moments.

If the club can cash in for upwards of £80m and immediately reinvest, with Cunha sorted too, I think I’d be pretty satisfied. The caveat being, that immediately has to go on an amazing ball playing midfielder who can play as one of the two CMs and really compete physically and technically. I don’t know who that player is or how we attract them to 16th place :lol:
 
I think last night was the final nail for him. He’s carried this team for seasons and he has one last big move in him - I think he goes and it won’t be for much either.
Agreed, I think if a decent European club comes in for him, he’ll see it as time and ask to go.

Still don’t see him going to Saudi, backed up by what he said there.

Any offers from Europe will naturally be for a lower fee for us you’d have thought.
 
Where the feck would we be without him? Relegated. It takes more than one player to make a team. Tell you what let’s fecking just sell everyone, some of you guys are clueless.
Stop speaking in hypotheticals. Where the feck have we been with him all these years? He has been the focal point of our team throughout all these years and see where we are. Great players elevate everyone around them. Bruno not only does not do anything close to that, he cosnsitently shrinks when the lights are the brightest.
 
Weirdly, good players can play in bad teams. Just because a team is bad it doesn't automatically mean that all is constituent parts are. Revelatory I know but glad to educate.
There's a difference between "good" and the level that you and others here believe him to be at. There are many good players. There's very few great players and he is not remotely close to being great.
 
Stop speaking in hypotheticals. Where the feck have we been with him all these years? He has been the focal point of our team throughout all these years and see where we are. Great players elevate everyone around them. Bruno not only does not do anything close to that, he cosnsitently shrinks when the lights are the brightest.
What the feck are you on about? Is he meant to do it all by himself. He’s been carrying us for years. Without him we’d be fecked. This season we’d be in the fecking Championship. Get a fecking grip.
 
Stop speaking in hypotheticals. Where the feck have we been with him all these years? He has been the focal point of our team throughout all these years and see where we are. Great players elevate everyone around them. Bruno not only does not do anything close to that, he cosnsitently shrinks when the lights are the brightest.
Dont agree.

Without Bruno we wouldn’t have even been in the final.

He definitely shows up when we need him most
 
“He has carried the team”, to where?

Sell him and completely rebuild the midfield and attack.

Can’t believe he’s saying that after dropping a clanger in the final.
 
“He has carried the team”, to where?

Sell him and completely rebuild the midfield and attack.

Can’t believe he’s saying that after dropping a clanger in the final.
Could arguably be relegated without him
 
“He has carried the team”, to where?

Sell him and completely rebuild the midfield and attack.

Can’t believe he’s saying that after dropping a clanger in the final.
Such a boring, circular conversation. There's absolutely no guarantee that we'd be able to buy well enough to compensate for what we'd lose. He's our best player and by some miracle seems willing to stay. We should be pleased about that not wishing him out the door.
 
Utd are in 17th and he's played his part in that, lost the ball cheaply for their goal last night, they scored about 20 seconds later. He's been a really good player, but last night he showed the
worst side of his game. He really was dreadful.

If he wants to go let him go. His options around Europe are limited. Barca won't be able to afford him, Real don't need him. Doubt he's too interested in Italy. Maybe Bayern might look for him as a replacement for Muller.
 
There's no argument because United can already barely win a game with him, and we have no idea how the team would be constructed if he weren't part of it.
Considering he was pivotal in almost every good game weve had, I don't think it's a stretch to say that we'd lose. In the few games he's not on the pitch we look far worse.

The post asked where he carried us to, it's a disingenuous post.
 
Where the feck would we be without him? Relegated. It takes more than one player to make a team. Tell you what let’s fecking just sell everyone, some of you guys are clueless.
Honestly probably in the same position.
 
His stats are amazing but come on, how many times are you screaming at him to stop losing possession or stop with the ridiculous balls that no one has a chance of getting on the end of. He is quality but he is a potential money pit to us as any sale will be profit (I think) and he is almost a luxury player for a relegation battling side.
 
Such a boring, circular conversation. There's absolutely no guarantee that we'd be able to buy well enough to compensate for what we'd lose. He's our best player and by some miracle seems willing to stay. We should be pleased about that not wishing him out the door.
Agreed about him being our best player, but I guess the conversation is if we sign Cunha & a CF, we’re probably going to be using Bruno as an 8 mostly, in that deeper position.

He definitely has it in him but it doesn’t come naturally to him to “control” a game (as we saw last night by him giving the ball away all the time) and we’re literally taking away his biggest assets (goal involvements) by playing him deeper.

Again, this system by Amorim just displaces so many of our squads strengths. So there’s a conversation to be had about selling him if a massive offer came in. But I share your sentiment around not being able to replace him etc.