Bryan Mbeumo | Improved offer not actually placed yet (Ducker) | United confident they can close the deal

Is this at all reliable? obviously the Daily Mail is a trash paper, I don't know if their journos ever get these kind of scoops or not
Wheeler is very reliable for us.

Shame about Delap, he will do well wherever he goes imo.

Mbuemo and Cunha is transformational for our attack. It's possible that Amad will move too wing back.
 
Wheeler is very reliable for us.

Shame about Delap, he will do well wherever he goes imo.

Mbuemo and Cunha is transformational for our attack. It's possible that Amad will move too wing back.

I think we can do better than Delap with the outs we're expecting so I don't mind too much about Delap.

I think the nailed on player is Cunha that will do well, Delap I worry about the inevitable 'the shirt is heavy' at his age.
 
Am I wrong in thinking that Mbuemo isn’t particularly quick? He’s looked a bit heavy when I’ve seen him, although obviously strong and technically good.
 
Get a striker and Mbuemo and the attack looks half decent.

The midfield is still crap though but we can sort that out next window
 
Is the reported £100m without the sales? If it’s £100m plus sales then we should be fine I think.
Garnacho £60m
Sancho £25m
Rashford £30m maybe
Surely we can get £30m for Antony too after the season he’s had?
Malacia £5m
That’s £150m and that’s without Bruno, Onana and other players.
 
Basically looking at around 150 mil for Delap, Cunha, and this guy.

Doesn’t seem like awful business to me?

I flagged that prospect a few weeks ago, and though no transfer is a guarantee, it looks on paper like potentially excellent business. its essentially rebuilding a front 3 for 150m, all with players who have had good PL seasons, all good age, all good injury records and all strong, physical players.
 
I flagged that prospect a few weeks ago, and though no transfer is a guarantee, it looks on paper like potentially excellent business. its essentially rebuilding a front 3 for 150m, all with players who have had good PL seasons, all good age, all good injury records and all strong, physical players.
Much better than Garnacho, Hojlund and Mount anyway. Still would prefer a more proven forward.
 
£50m seems... reasonable for Mbeumo no? Surely a dozen clubs would be sniffing around at that price.
Year left on his contract I think. Still represents good value though.
 
Much better than Garnacho, Hojlund and Mount anyway. Still would prefer a more proven forward.

Still don’t understand why we bought Mount.

It was so obvious it wasn’t going to work, our recruitment has to be the absolute worst in PL.
 
Am I wrong in thinking that Mbuemo isn’t particularly quick? He’s looked a bit heavy when I’ve seen him, although obviously strong and technically good.

With his physique, beard, and bald head, I had just assumed he’a 34 years old :lol:

He doesn’t have blistering pace, no, but has a decent burst which is enough to get away from many defenders. Looks about as quick as Amad
 
With his physique, beard, and bald head, I had just assumed he’a 34 years old :lol:

He doesn’t have blistering pace, no, but has a decent burst which is enough to get away from many defenders. Looks about as quick as Amad

We need players that can deal with a low block too especially if we are supposed to pen teams back and we want to keep the ball.
Get a striker and Mbuemo and the attack looks half decent.

The midfield is still crap though but we can sort that out next window

I think we will get a midfield option, we need multiple areas and with the outs we can do them all.

Don't forget the wages saved from outs and we are still looking at the sales of Sancho, Rashford, Antony, Garnacho and potentially Onana.

Rashford and Garnacho are pure profit in terms of PSR and give us a lot of wiggle room.
 
Really hope we get this done together with the Cunha deal. Would be massive for our attack
 
Am I wrong in thinking that Mbuemo isn’t particularly quick? He’s looked a bit heavy when I’ve seen him, although obviously strong and technically good.
His top speed was actually clocked in as the 3rd fastest player in the league according to the PL stat keeping, as well as the 4th most sprints.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/4220451

His close control playing style means he's not overly reliant on his pace but that doesn't mean he doesn't have afterburners with the best of them
 
We've surely got enough 10's with Cunha arriving.

A right wingback(it won't be Amad), striker, CM, goalkeeper must be a bigger priority.
 
We've surely got enough 10's with Cunha arriving.

A right wingback(it won't be Amad), striker, CM, goalkeeper must be a bigger priority.
Bruno seems to be a CM under Amorim and his future is unclear.

Mount is always injured. Mainoo we don't know his best position. Garnacho is probably leaving. Amad could be played at RWB. Zirkzee is an option but probably rotation.

Overall I think we need to upgrade our 10's even with Cunha arriving.
 
Bruno seems to be a CM under Amorim and his future is unclear.

Mount is always injured. Mainoo we don't know his best position. Garnacho is probably leaving. Amad could be played at RWB. Zirkzee is an option but probably rotation.

Overall I think we need to upgrade our 10's even with Cunha arriving.

It's a lot though isn't it if we get Cunha and Mbeumo. Only domestic games to play. When other positions are needed.
 
It's a lot though isn't it if we get Cunha and Mbeumo. Only domestic games to play. When other positions are needed.
The way I see it it's a great opportunity and I'm more excited about him than Cunha, but it should only be considered if it doesn't impede the other positions we need to strengthen.
 
We've surely got enough 10's with Cunha arriving.

A right wingback(it won't be Amad), striker, CM, goalkeeper must be a bigger priority.

Do we have enough 10s that actually offer what Amorim wants in a 10? Not sure we do. I don’t think Cunha alone solves our creativity or goal scoring issues. If we can sell Garnacho and bring in Mbuemo it’s a no brainer IMO. Takes the pressure off Amad and gives us some flexibility for how we line up plus maintaining quality when we inevitably rotate.
 
It's a lot though isn't it if we get Cunha and Mbeumo. Only domestic games to play. When other positions are needed.
We desperately need goals. Cunha and mbuemo would bring goals. Considering striking options don't seem great apart from victor and Viktor.
 
I''d love Cunha and Mbeumo behind the striker that would be transformative, but we need a world class striker in addition to that.
I know we wont go for him, but imagine Osimhen infront of Cunha and Mbuemo :nervous:
 
Am I wrong in thinking that Mbuemo isn’t particularly quick? He’s looked a bit heavy when I’ve seen him, although obviously strong and technically good.

He's definitely quick when you see him running off the ball. He's similar to Saka in the sense that he doesn't blitz defenders with acceleration, he uses his low center of gravity to drop the shoulder creating space for himself.

I don't think Amorim's system calls for a super fast 10. Most of the time the 10's will be playing towards the inside with the wingbacks providing the runs outside. This was one of the fair criticisms Amorim gave earlier in the season with Garnacho. It also explains why Amad has been the most dangerous player in the team, outside of his obvious natural talent it's the tendency to naturally come inside which offers the penetration.
 
We've surely got enough 10's with Cunha arriving.

A right wingback(it won't be Amad), striker, CM, goalkeeper must be a bigger priority.
Could you just do a quick head count on our attackers please?
 
It's a lot though isn't it if we get Cunha and Mbeumo. Only domestic games to play. When other positions are needed.
Garnacho is probably leaving and I guess Mainoo maybe too. Or we move Mainoo back to CM. Who knows. But honestly we need to upgrade a lot in our AMs.
 
True, but it's highly dependent on the incoming fees we can get for Garnacho, Antony, Rashford, Sancho (and maybe Shaw). Ideally we could get both a strong, fast number 10 like Mbuemo and a striker who's more experienced than Delap.

If we persist with 3 at the back, then we'll need another CB to cover the outgoings of Evans, Lindelof, (and Shaw?). Add to that, the uncertainty around the goalkeeper situation, the ever-present question of age and lack of physicality in the holding midfield roles, and the fact we only have 2+2 senior players who can play wing back (Dalot and Dorgu, plus Mazraoui (also CB) and Amad (also 10)) - I'm not sure another 10 is a high priority.

We've had a terrible season, and missing out on the CL money really makes us need to compromise in certain areas.
The club is pursuing both Delap and Mbuemo so I wouldn’t worry so much.
 
Who says?

Amorim hasn't played him there much has he? He did at first and that was pretty much the end of it. If he saw Adam as his RWB back going forwards you'd think he'd have played there all those season.

Do we have enough 10s that actually offer what Amorim wants in a 10? Not sure we do. I don’t think Cunha alone solves our creativity or goal scoring issues. If we can sell Garnacho and bring in Mbuemo it’s a no brainer IMO. Takes the pressure off Amad and gives us some flexibility for how we line up plus maintaining quality when we inevitably rotate.

Probably not but there would still be a lot of them when other positions badly need improving.

Could you just do a quick head count on our attackers please?

For 10's? I think we all know. There's a lot of them if Cunha arrives, even if Garnacho leaves. Not a perfect set of 10's but I wouldn't say we badly need another one would you?

As opposed to the 9, goalkeeper, RWB positions.
 
We've surely got enough 10's with Cunha arriving.

A right wingback(it won't be Amad), striker, CM, goalkeeper must be a bigger priority.

But the 10's United have are round peg square hole situations. Bruno isn't suited to being a wide 10 neither is Mount because both of them are relatively poor at ball progression. I think many have forgotten about Erik's ridiculous experiment with playing Fernandes wide and it doesn't work.

Zirkzee does have a good base to run with the ball but he's still more of a central forward who drops into the middle. He also respectfully isn't threatening as he doesn't really shoot at a high frequency but he's talented enough to have in the squad that goes without saying.

Cunha -Delap- Mbuemo is a very good attack, not in isolation but because their playing profiles suit what Amorim's system demands. I think cohesion and chemistry is the most important thing for this United team. Mount and Bruno in either of the 10 roles doesn't provide balance.

It's why the team looked absolutely toothless against Chelsea / Spurs. The moment Dalot / Maz were subbed and Bruno dropped to the midfield it was Amad that scored playing wingback.
 
We don’t have a lot of 10s of the profile and level required for this system - stating we have Mount, Mainoo, Zirkzee, Bruno and Amad that can play 10 is like me saying do we need a striker? We have Hojlund, Zirkzee and Obi. It isn’t about bodies it’s about quality. Bruno is an 8 now anyway.
 
Probably not but there would still be a lot of them when other positions badly need improving.



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Garnacho got a lot of minutes at 10 this season and he’s leaving. Mount doesn’t offer enough and can’t be relied upon injury wise. Out of all the other possible “10s” we have, none are a natural fit in those roles and all can be utilized in other positions.

Creating and scoring goals is our biggest issue, so if we can replace Garnacho with someone like Mbuemo without much outlay it seems like a really obvious and easy way to upgrade our goal threat. I’d do that deal in a heartbeat.
 
We don’t have a lot of 10s of the profile and level required for this system - stating we have Mount, Mainoo, Zirkzee, Bruno and Amad that can play 10 is like me saying do we need a striker? We have Hojlund, Zirkzee and Obi. It isn’t about bodies it’s about quality. Bruno is an 8 now anyway.

Yeah but Cunha, Bruno, Amad and Zirkzee is a decent set of 10's.

In no way comparable to Hojulnd, Zirkzee and Obi as a set of strikers. That is not a decent set of strikers.

All this set against the back drop of other positions badly needing replacements.

If there's enough money for Mbuemo after we've got a 9, CM, RWB and goalkeeper, go for it. But if we miss out one of those positions to get another 10, doesn't seem sensible to me.
 
Cunha, Delap, and Mbeumo seems to be going all in on physical, pacy attackers who thrive in transition and have largely played for clubs that look to break quickly.

I think its a good group to make United competitive again leaning into those kinds of tactics. Turn the ball over in the middle of the field and break as quickly as possible.

But that trio will likely struggle against low blocks, so there might be a ceiling to where they can take you.
 
Cunha, Delap, and Mbeumo seems to be going all in on physical, pacy attackers who thrive in transition and have largely played for clubs that look to break quickly.

I think its a good group to make United competitive again leaning into those kinds of tactics. Turn the ball over in the middle of the field and break as quickly as possible.

But that trio will likely struggle against low blocks, so there might be a ceiling to where they can take you.
That’s where you expect your midfielders to have a creative input. We need an eriksen replacement