I dont have any clue who Marco Alcazar is, but I fully trust him.
Viktor Gyökeres
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I may as well get on train for now, need someone to muppet over. Even though I know it would take an unbelievable sell from Ruben to convince him without CL
So can Hojlund to be fair although he regressed horribly in his second season. Initially when Amorim was appointed there was quite a lot of optimism about how Hojlund would fare in his system precisely because he is a very similar player to Gyokeres and had actually shown more at a younger age. Of course it did not work out as hoped but it does suggest that Gyokeres in the PL may not be the sure thing some people believe. Ugarte played for Amorim in Portugal and it is becoming increasingly obvious that he does not fancy him at all in this league.
Well him staying is better than going to Arsenal or dare I even contemplate him following Delap to Chelsea
BELIEVE! Remember how we pulled off Yoro. This will happen
Would people here prefer Højlund gone and Osimhen in, or Gyokeres in and stuck with Højlund
Wow! I was really all about Chelsea getting him. I was reading he is not great against low blocks and teams seem to go to that to counter Maresca. It is really shaping up that Sesko is going to be the top striker this window. Unless Osimhen comes to the Premier League
Would take Osimhen or him, however in our situation I think best hope is to get Mbeumo then look at strikers when we have sold a couple of attackers
Holy feck this is perfect for us because we refuse to cross
I actually don’t think aerial goals are a big part of Amorim’s system… he wins about 50% of duels, but he’s in the 16th percentile of aerials won. Which tells me the system doesn’t create a lot of aerial balls into the box.
On the other hand, progressive carries, 99th percentile at 4 plus per 90.Progressive passes in the 80th percentile. All of the goalscoring stats are 96th percentile and above. 45 goals in all comps, 6 in the CL. 8 assists.
https://fbref.com/en/players/4d5a9185/all_comps/Viktor-Gyokeres-Stats---All-Competitions
On the other hand, Hojlund…
https://fbref.com/en/players/491a433d/Rasmus-Hojlund
There are very few sure things in football. Messi, Ronaldo, Yamal, Mbappe, Hojlund. After that it’s really a gamble. And we won’t be able to sign a top player with that kind of pedigree.
I’m not sure, but he’s better than what we have. I can tell you this, another season with Hojlund as our first choice striker and we won’t crack top 10.
Marco Polo's grand grand grandchild
Very very different situation though, isn't it? Yoro has his whole career ahead of him. This might be the lads one big move, especially if he comes to the PL and doesn't deliver. He'll want to get it right.
I'd take him in a heartbeat, but leave that fecking shite celebration in Portugal.
Doesn't bother me about little heading ability
More chance of getting relegated with a striker who scores 4 goals in 32 games. 4 goals?!?!?
Think there's more chance of him having an unexpected change of heart than Osimhen due to no deadline for move
As I said we probably had this in the bag a long time ago. Gentlemean agreement. We get Gyokeres as long as Ruben promises not to sign any more of their players. They don't want us to Ten Hag them.
Do you still believe that now?
Of course. I still believe he either stays or goes to United.
If Sesko is going to Arsenal and Delap is going to Chelsea suddenly this looks a lot more open for United.
So if you had to put a % on both sides
Not keeping up with the transfer news as much but I'm surprised teams seem to be prioritising other forwards over him?
He looks the best of the bunch to me
He looks the best of the bunch to me
Chelsea fan on here was put off by his heading video
That’s me officially off this wagon. I think even he knows he’s found his level which is why he’s content to stay there.
An almost 27 years old who is plying is trade in Portugal the last two seasons and before that was in the championship. Plus, he played under the current manager in the Portugal.
Has this guy really grown into a player that can command such a high fee and lead the line for Manchester United with all the pressure it brings?
Has this guy really grown into a player that can command such a high fee and lead the line for Manchester United with all the pressure it brings?
That video was shocking. This is what is more concerning. If he has no ability to be dominant in the box, sounds like a recipe for underwhelming in the Premier League. He is going to face a lot of low block defenses. I hope you get him.
60 staying : 40 United.
Because his uncle wouldn't shut up about staying.
Exactly. Delap, Osihmen, Sesko, whoever we CAN get, gotta be better than Hojlund
The thing with Gyokeres though is he’s built like a tank. Similar to Haaland. He’s a lot more physical than Hojlund, he has a lot better hold up play, has better dribbling and he can create goals on his own. We don’t see that with Hojlund
The big difference between the two is Gyokeres plays with a swagger and confidence we could do with. Pairing him with the likes of Cunha would be great.
And we know how physique doesn't mean strength. Hojlund falls too easily and rarely wins the ball against a competent PL defender. He becomes more like a foul beggar than to use his strength and build to win duels. Gyokeres has that grit to win duels than moaning for fouls. I believe someone like Amad would put more fight up front than Hojlund. Anything is an improvement over him at this point.
Twice as many games than shots. Pound for pound the worst forward in Europe. I don't think he would have had a sniff of our 1st team if he was an academy player but cost us more than a Carrington upgrade. We look look like fecking idiots because we are broke for being fecking idiots.
Next season Amad will be worth the 30 mil we paid because he payed his dues with the club and is getting his chance and taking it. Rasmus has been denied the opportunity to acclimate to the club and league but that is not an excuse for the absolute rubbish he has served up. Not even creating his own luck and slow as feck when in some space.
All "trademark" goal celebrations should be banned at this club until they start producing the goods. It means nothing and makes you look like a twat when your goals and assists can be counted on one hand. Have some respect for yourself, the club and the supporters. Raise your fist, acknowledge the crowd, get a hug and then get after the next goal. Every one of our players with a brand or shite celebration has been poor before, during and after that goal they celebrated.
It really is a textbook example of a deep rooted culture that as yet, nobody can control or change. I remember the seasons Leeds and West Ham got relegated. Great players on both sides, who should have kept their clubs in the league but coasted through thinking it would be alright and on to the next season. This club is really fecking lucky Ruud jumped in to the Leicester job and shit the bed. I feel bad for the kid having to shoulder this responsibility but I see nothing worth keeping that Harry Maguire couldn't provide in 15 minutes up front.
I'm leaning towards Osimhen.
Biggest reason is that I think his athleticism will prove him a better fit in the PL.
And he has done it on a bigger stage than Gyokeres and in different environments.
At this point sure, he is what Hojlund could and should become. Gyokeres in his early twenties was a failed Championship player playing at a lower level than Rasmus with even less success. I don’t say this to claim Hojlund will suddenly blossom as not every player is the same but to point out that the evolution of Gyokeres may not be all that we think it is. So far Amorim has given not even the slightest indication that he has any desire to reunite with Gyokeres which is a bit of a red flag. He obviously knows him extremely well and yet was perfectly happy for the club to chase Delap and not stand on the table for someone presumed to be his guy and available for just 20M more.
But do we know for sure Amorim wanted Delap or was that a Wilcox decision? Obviously the manager would have had a say but Delap may not have been his first choice. I mean let’s be honest if we got into the CL we’d be chasing Osihmen/Gyokeres anyway. So if we still end up going after Gyokeres then it shows he was one of the plans whether it’s plan A or plan B. Plus we have tried to move away from signing managers former players so they might have told Amorim that since it didn’t work out with ETH
The Athletic guys did a video on why he's a bad fit for Arsenal because of some of issues being raised on here.
For some reason they didn't go into his actual performances against EPL teams like Arsenal and City.
Despite missing an absolute sitter, he was very good against City, bagged a hattrick. Arsenal on the other hand was a different story. He struggled.
For some reason they didn't go into his actual performances against EPL teams like Arsenal and City.
Despite missing an absolute sitter, he was very good against City, bagged a hattrick. Arsenal on the other hand was a different story. He struggled.
£60m is not going to land you the second coming of Marco Van Basten or even Harry Kane. There's a leap of faith in that bracket, like Newcastle took with Isak, who had just 6 goals in 32 games in his last La Liga season yet went for £63m(?) based on skill and potential.
The same leap of faith is being taken with Sesko by any suitor who matches the valuation put on him right now, and he'll cost a lot more than Gyökeres on top of that.
If Gyökeres were as complete and as prolific as posters in here seem to want him to be, he would not be available for c. £60m.
You look at him as is and try and ascertain how he fits in with your team and the needs of the coach's style of play. I've maintained he's not a good fit for Arsenal, for example, but he's literally been honed to do what Amorim/we need out of a striker by the man himself.
£60m is the bracket of player good for 15 PL goals a season. That's Gyökeres minimum expectation here for that price; the question to answer is whether he's good for it or not.
It will be interesting to see how much Sesko actually costs (if the deal actually does happen), as there's reports Leipzig are hoping for close to €90M, but there were reports coming out from a couple of Arsenal journalists a few days ago that taking into account transfer fee, wages and agent fees Sesko would work out slightly cheaper when there was comparisons of the 2.
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