Viktor Gyökeres

GoonerBear said:
It will be interesting to see how much Sesko actually costs (if the deal actually does happen), as there's reports Leipzig are hoping for close to €90M, but there were reports coming out for a couple of Arsenal journalists a few days ago that taking into account transfer fee, wages and agent fees Sesko would work out slightly cheaper when there was comparisons of the 2.
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He's the next great striking hope and Red Bull have been gearing up to sell him a fortune for years now so I don't see how you get him cheap, especially when they could keep him for another maturation cycle in the hope of even more money next summer.

He's an extremely talented young player but has a lot of things yet to come together in his game, but I doubt that gives you any leverage in negotiations as above, Leipzig won't have qualms about keeping him another season.

Of course, you're moving in for him before a potential breakout season, which once/if he has, the current price will be seen as derisory.

I'll be very surprised if you get him for less than Gyökeres as an all inclusive package. If Sesko is the golden goose, why would he or his people accept less in wage and fees than Gyökeres? I'd be very surprised if they're not on a similar wage if they both come to the PL this summer.
 
Fortitude said:
He's the next great striking hope and Red Bull have been gearing up to sell him a fortune for years now so I don't see how you get him cheap, especially when they could keep him for another maturation cycle in the hope of even more money next summer.

He's an extremely talented young player but has a lot of things yet to come together in his game, but I doubt that gives you any leverage in negotiations as above, Leipzig won't have qualms about keeping him another season.

Of course, you're moving in for him before a potential breakout season, which once/if he has, the current price will be seen as derisory.

I'll be very surprised if you get him for less than Gyökeres as an all inclusive package. If Sesko is the golden goose, why would he or his people accept less in wage and fees than Gyökeres? I'd be very surprised if they're not on a similar wage if they both come to the PL this summer.
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I too was surprised when I read it to be honest, so will be interesting to see what the fee actually is if and when it happens, and likewise for Gyokeres if he moves. I think the ambiguity in the fee seems to come from the different release clause / gentleman agreement stories that have came out, about both players actually, makes all the waters a bit muddy.
 
GoonerBear said:
I too was surprised when I read it to be honest, so will be interesting to see what the fee actually is if and when it happens, and likewise for Gyokeres if he moves. I think the ambiguity in the fee seems to come from the different release clause / gentleman agreement stories that have came out, about both players actually, makes all the waters a bit muddy.
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It will be a shock if you get Sesko for less, for sure. There have been eyes on him as the potential striker of his generation for years, and you're basically being bold enough to step in now instead of waiting until he explodes, at which point the sharks will be circling. I just don't think that comes with a discount as it doesn't serve Leipzig's (Red Bull's) interests to do that.

But all will be revealed soon enough.
 
Fortitude said:
He's the next great striking hope and Red Bull have been gearing up to sell him a fortune for years now so I don't see how you get him cheap, especially when they could keep him for another maturation cycle in the hope of even more money next summer.

He's an extremely talented young player but has a lot of things yet to come together in his game, but I doubt that gives you any leverage in negotiations as above, Leipzig won't have qualms about keeping him another season.

Of course, you're moving in for him before a potential breakout season, which once/if he has, the current price will be seen as derisory.

I'll be very surprised if you get him for less than Gyökeres as an all inclusive package. If Sesko is the golden goose, why would he or his people accept less in wage and fees than Gyökeres? I'd be very surprised if they're not on a similar wage if they both come to the PL this summer.
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It is beginning to look like only one of them will be coming to the PL this summer. City don't need a #9, Chelsea have bought Delap and Arsenal look to be trying for Sesko. That only really leaves Liverpool as a PL destination for Gyokeres. I think he might end up at Juve.
 
I'd like to clarify with that video, it's not good, but everyone has weaknesses to their game. I think his strengths far exceed his poor heading ability.
 
Even as a swede I'm not sure about his ability. I've only seen him perform (a game I actually watched) against one top side and that was against the worst City team in a decade or so.

In the national team Sweden been playing terrible teams for the most part and he's scored quite a few but I'm not sure he's that good. I would love a faster striker who can stretch opponents defense. Not sure who that would be but we need speed in our team.

Also Lindelöf has made it impossible for me to want swedish players at the club. Zlatan is my favourite player all time but he's one a kind. None of Isak or Gyökeres are even close to him.

I think I'm a NO on this one. Buy someone younger, with more potentail and hell for the sake of it buy two young ones.
 
Raoul said:
The big difference between the two is Gyokeres plays with a swagger and confidence we could do with. Pairing him with the likes of Cunha would be great.
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Let's see if he has the same swagger after a season of playing against better defences.
 
I might be late to the party but apparently Chelsea want Gyokeres as well as Delap, with Delap presumably understudy.
 
I think the demands of a striker in the Portuguese league are night and day compared with the premier league. He doesn't look better than Nunez did at Benfica and look how he's turned out over here. He's better than what we've got and would showcase our support for Amorim but I'm not convinced we would see anything near the prolific striker many would expect. Unless he starts quickly he'll be destroyed in the media.
 
groovyalbert said:
I think the demands of a striker in the Portuguese league are night and day compared with the premier league. He doesn't look better than Nunez did at Benfica and look how he's turned out over here. He's better than what we've got and would showcase our support for Amorim but I'm not convinced we would see anything near the prolific striker many would expect. Unless he starts quickly he'll be destroyed in the media.
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He is much better than Nunez, he scored almost double the goals Nunez did in his best season at Benfica.

With that said, doubt he will magically turn you into a top side.
Probably no one will at this point. The pressure is immense and you’re not a dominating side which most striker’s thrive on.
 
BetRed said:
Even as a swede I'm not sure about his ability. I've only seen him perform (a game I actually watched) against one top side and that was against the worst City team in a decade or so.

In the national team Sweden been playing terrible teams for the most part and he's scored quite a few but I'm not sure he's that good. I would love a faster striker who can stretch opponents defense. Not sure who that would be but we need speed in our team.

Also Lindelöf has made it impossible for me to want swedish players at the club. Zlatan is my favourite player all time but he's one a kind. None of Isak or Gyökeres are even close to him.

I think I'm a NO on this one. Buy someone younger, with more potentail and hell for the sake of it buy two young ones.
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He actually looks like a striker who stretches defences. Seems to come alive when the game is open. I'm more concerned about what he could do in a cagey game.
 
Mcking said:
He actually looks like a striker who stretches defences. Seems to come alive when the game is open. I'm more concerned about what he could do in a cagey game.
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Possibly, as I've said I've only seen him againt pretty poor opposition. With that said, he can only play the teams ithey face and scores buckets of goals against them. If we had him instead of Höjlund he would probably have around 5-10 goals in the month of May with the same chances.
 
groovyalbert said:
I think the demands of a striker in the Portuguese league are night and day compared with the premier league. He doesn't look better than Nunez did at Benfica and look how he's turned out over here. He's better than what we've got and would showcase our support for Amorim but I'm not convinced we would see anything near the prolific striker many would expect. Unless he starts quickly he'll be destroyed in the media.
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Gotta stop you there, he absolutely looks better than Nunez did at Benfica.
 
Xeque_279 said:
Gotta stop you there, he absolutely looks better than Nunez did at Benfica.
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Do you think? I'm going mainly off what I've seen in the CL but I thought Nunez looked far more dangerous/all round threatening. He was immense v prime Klopp Liverpool - better all round display than anything I've seen from Gyokeres v City or Arsenal
 
groovyalbert said:
Do you think? I'm going mainly off what I've seen in the CL but I thought Nunez looked far more dangerous/all round threatening. He was immense v prime Klopp Liverpool - better all round display than anything I've seen from Gyokeres v City or Arsenal
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Yes, watch Benfica every week. Nunez had one of those seasons where everything worked for him, his touch was gold and he also started off as more of a left sided forward. Watch the goal he scored against Barcelona in the UCL. The most un-elegant stepovers I've ever seen but it still worked :lol:

Gyokeres is an absolute freak, been a while we've seen something like this in the league. How that translates to EPL football, idk, but he just looks so good. People say other strikers have gotten high numbers in Portugal (Eg. Bas Dost) but no one came close to the way this guy plays.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
I might be late to the party but apparently Chelsea want Gyokeres as well as Delap, with Delap presumably understudy.
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Wasn’t part of Delap’s mental requirements were that wherever he goes he wanted guaranteed first team football to make the World Cup squad? Would be surprised if Chelsea then go and sign another striker. With Jackson still there too.
 
Going to be interesting to see who we go for next after being shunned by Gyokeres, Mbeumo and Delap...

Is there a chance Rashford is brought back in and pushed up top? Can't see Amorim wanting that, but is it feasible if we get into proper pre-season and no other forwards on the radar?
 
groovyalbert said:
I think the demands of a striker in the Portuguese league are night and day compared with the premier league. He doesn't look better than Nunez did at Benfica and look how he's turned out over here. He's better than what we've got and would showcase our support for Amorim but I'm not convinced we would see anything near the prolific striker many would expect. Unless he starts quickly he'll be destroyed in the media.
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Two things. He does look better than Nunez did. And Nunez at Liverpool has been twice the striker that Hojlund has been for us.

That said, if Gyokeres did come I'm pretty sure he won't be scoring 30+ goals, but he's way better than Hojlund - sharper, more efficient, more agile - and will make us better.
 
Fortitude said:
£60m is not going to land you the second coming of Marco Van Basten or even Harry Kane. There's a leap of faith in that bracket, like Newcastle took with Isak, who had just 6 goals in 32 games in his last La Liga season yet went for £63m(?) based on skill and potential.

The same leap of faith is being taken with Sesko by any suitor who matches the valuation put on him right now, and he'll cost a lot more than Gyökeres on top of that.

If Gyökeres were as complete and as prolific as posters in here seem to want him to be, he would not be available for c. £60m.

You look at him as is and try and ascertain how he fits in with your team and the needs of the coach's style of play. I've maintained he's not a good fit for Arsenal, for example, but he's literally been honed to do what Amorim/we need out of a striker by the man himself.

£60m is the bracket of player good for 15 PL goals a season. That's Gyökeres minimum expectation here for that price; the question to answer is whether he's good for it or not.
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Isak was much younger, though. Newcastle paid for potential for a 22-23 year old striker based on skill set, expecting a big upside. We did the same with Rasmus and failed. Although I am not sure what we paid for.

This guy will be 27 in 5 days and has played the last 6 seasons in the second division of Bundesliga, the championship and in Portugal. You are exactly right, in an era where there is a dearth of even half decent strikers teams would be lining up to sign him at 60m if he was that good.

I am not sure I trust this process where we determine whether he fits in the coach's style of play as we have been burned too many times due to that. I want us to sign good/very good players that can fit into any style of play and are suited to the rigors of the premier league.

May be he is a late bloomer. I have no idea about what kind of player is his, but the overall profile does make me a bit skeptical. Also, whether the player is signed for 30m or 60m or 90m, I expect more from our next striker signing than 15 goals. He needs to have a much wider skill set. We need to build a team that is ready to challenge in a 2-3 years time and should recruit players keeping that in mind.
 
TrailMonkey said:
Going to be interesting to see who we go for next after being shunned by Gyokeres, Mbeumo and Delap...

Is there a chance Rashford is brought back in and pushed up top? Can't see Amorim wanting that, but is it feasible if we get into proper pre-season and no other forwards on the radar?
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I don't believe we've been rejected by Mbeumo (unless I've missed something) and it's also not really a case of Gyokores shunning us - The Athletic were reporting over 3 months ago that United would not be moving for Gyokores this summer, in part because he only wants a club with UCL football, but also because United don't want to spend that kind of money on a 27 year old. It was never 'on'.
 
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I wouldn’t be buying osimhen based on that video, it shows 2 things - bad touch, control, the ball bounces off him and almost gets away a few times and secondly his best goals come from him attacking high swirly crosses - which off course we don’t really do
 
Thing is, if we are talking Gyokeres in a forward line that also has Cunha and Mbeumo, this would surely make Gyokeres less of a risk.

You want attackers who can worry defenders, and I reckon those 3 would terrify many Premier league defenders. They'd no longer be able to cheat against us going 1v1 with Hojlund and Garnacho and pushing high up the pitch to press our wing backs.
 
golden_blunder said:
I wouldn’t be buying osimhen based on that video, it shows 2 things - bad touch, control, the ball bounces off him and almost gets away a few times and secondly his best goals come from him attacking high swirly crosses - which off course we don’t really do
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Same. In fact, both as a bit suspect on their first touch. I am certain they won't be afforded that amount of space, especially with the fast physical defenders that we have in the PL.

Ramus is a complete mystery. He has all the physical attributes -- big, looks strong enough -- and even more rapid than the two Vics.

And yet...
 
DSG said:
There was a pretty long feature article on him awhile ago, talking about his rise to stardom. It really started 3 or 4 seasons ago with Coventry. Maybe it was a puff piece, but his mentality to be the best really stood out to me.

There’s a line of reasoning for those who don’t want to buy from “inferior leagues”, but in reality, a lot of excellent strikers came from those leagues: Lewandowski (Poland), Haaland (Austria), Kane (Leicester, Norwich, etc.), Drogba… why is it that a prolific striker in Portugal for 2 seasons is a big gamble versus a kid like Hojlund who had 9 goals in half a season in Serie A? Isak took ages to develop and spent time at Dortmund and Real Sociedad with very little in the way of production. Hi first season at Newcastle was just okay.

We aren’t going to get the sure things right now with our league position and no Europe. Going to have to take a risk.

Amorim isn’t going to change his system. Gyokeres has played that system very effectively. No, he’s not PL proven, but few available strikers are. If we’re not willing to take risks, let’s just close the doors to the club and demolish Old Trafford…

I dunno, I just think we outsmart ourselves sometimes. There are no guarantees in life, and yet we have to try.
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It's not a gamble versus Hojlund. Forget what went before under the old regime. We bought Hojlund, we overpaid, it was a big mistake - but you don't compound that mistake with another or let it have any bearing on this decision.

I will reiterate that I understand that there are never any guarantees with transfers, but I have preached on here many times about the need to he able to 'fail fast'.

Imagine two scenarios...

S1: Sign Gyokeres on a 4+1 deal, £200,000 per week, £65m transfer fee.

S2: Sign Delap on a 4+1 deal, £90,000 per week, £30m transfer fee.

In S1, if Gyokeres fails, hes 28/29 and you're stuck. Who is going to pay his wages, or stump up a decent amount of what we paid if he fails? He'd be another white elephant. Another relatively lazy signing, does OK, doesn't shine as we're stuck with him.

In S2, if Delap fails, he's 23/24 and he's affordable to that next tier of club who would take a player who didn't quite cut it at United. The West Ham's, the Brentford's etc....

I understand Delap is off the table, but I am using him as an example of the profile I believe we should target. Good value, young, low salary, can be easily moved on if the transfer fails - in contract with big fee, high salary, 3rd quarter of his career, likely to be difficult to move on.
 
Wezzaldo said:
Please can you explain what is proven more about Osimhen than Gyokeres, as I see this quite a lot.

He has only scored over 20 goals twice. Once in the Turkish league and once in Italy. How does that make him anymore proven? His all around game is not that tidy, I would said less technically sound than Gyokeres.

Really think he is overhyped and in reality they are both a big risk.
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Well, in really simple terms, Osimhen has averaged slightly better than one in two for five years across two "big 5" leagues (France and Italy).

Gyokeres by contrast has NEVER played in a top five league. He's played in the Championship, the Bundesliga 2 and the Primera Liga (ranked 7th).

The only place that Gyokeres has consistently scored goals is Portugal, and sure, he's scored tonnes - but one in three for Coventry doesn't standout (bear in mind he was 22/23 at the time, not a raw teenager).

Again, I repeat, I am sure wherever he goes, he will score some goals...but personally it's not the type of transfer I am desperate to make. For me he's a 7 or 8 out of 10 striker but for big money with a big salary in the 3rd quarter of his career.
 
TrailMonkey said:
Going to be interesting to see who we go for next after being shunned by Gyokeres, Mbeumo and Delap...

Is there a chance Rashford is brought back in and pushed up top? Can't see Amorim wanting that, but is it feasible if we get into proper pre-season and no other forwards on the radar?
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I'm confident there is forwards on the radar, now whether we sign any is a very different matter
 
Lentwood said:
Well, in really simple terms, Osimhen has averaged slightly better than one in two for five years across two "big 5" leagues (France and Italy).

Gyokeres by contrast has NEVER played in a top five league. He's played in the Championship, the Bundesliga 2 and the Primera Liga (ranked 7th).

The only place that Gyokeres has consistently scored goals is Portugal, and sure, he's scored tonnes - but one in three for Coventry doesn't standout (bear in mind he was 22/23 at the time, not a raw teenager).

Again, I repeat, I am sure wherever he goes, he will score some goals...but personally it's not the type of transfer I am desperate to make. For me he's a 7 or 8 out of 10 striker but for big money with a big salary in the 3rd quarter of his career.
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OK so who would you sign as striker then?
 
groovyalbert said:
I think the demands of a striker in the Portuguese league are night and day compared with the premier league. He doesn't look better than Nunez did at Benfica and look how he's turned out over here. He's better than what we've got and would showcase our support for Amorim but I'm not convinced we would see anything near the prolific striker many would expect. Unless he starts quickly he'll be destroyed in the media.
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That's like comparing a golden boot guy with a wood boot.
 
groovyalbert said:
I think the demands of a striker in the Portuguese league are night and day compared with the premier league. He doesn't look better than Nunez did at Benfica and look how he's turned out over here. He's better than what we've got and would showcase our support for Amorim but I'm not convinced we would see anything near the prolific striker many would expect. Unless he starts quickly he'll be destroyed in the media.
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This is a categorically incorrect take. Nunez wasn't even the best striker in the Portuguese league when he was here (that was Mehdi Tahremi).

For me Gyokeres has been easily the best and most influential player to ply his trade here since Hulk or Falcao during the AVB Porto invincible treble winners.
 
The main thing I would say about him is regardless of where he's played etc., our manager has managed him and also spent 6 months in the PL. He is going to have a decent idea of whether he will be able to make the step up, it's not a blind signing as such.
 
There seems to be more strikers available this year than there are clubs that can afford them.

Arsenal are going for Sesko
Livepool Ekitike if rumours are true
Chelsea Delap
Osimhen???

Is Gyokores left over for us?
 
Xire01 said:
What makes you suggest this? Pretty sure thats accurate. If we had CL we would be 100% going for him
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I don't doubt he's got his sources, I just don't think he's saying anything about Gyokeres we don't know. He doesn't commit to saying anything either way.

Everyone knows we want Gyokeres, everyone knows Gyokeres wants CL football, everyone knows we missed out on Delap, and it's not a stretch to think we'll be weighing up our options and trying to sign a striker that isn't Delap instead now.

He seems to just waffle or repeat the obvious because people gobble up anything he tweets.
 
2 man midfield said:
I don't doubt he's got his sources, I just don't think he's saying anything about Gyokeres we don't know. He doesn't commit to saying anything either way.

Everyone knows we want Gyokeres, everyone knows Gyokeres wants CL football, everyone knows we missed out on Delap, and it's not a stretch to think we'll be weighing up our options and trying to sign a striker that isn't Delap instead now.

He seems to just waffle or repeat the obvious because people gobble up anything he tweets.
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Yeah this is very true hes become a bit of a waffler.
 
Would be an utter disaster if the Bruno funds are used on him, would prove that nothing's really changed with the new ownership and that they're just as clueless as the previous set.
 
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