ESPN: Amorim prioritising, Pace, Power and Atheticism this summer

Red the Bear said:
One has to have serious concerns about the ceiling of his ideas if he doesn't see the value prioritizing technical and nimble players as the path to building an exciting and successful football team.

It's so tiring seeing united so averse to such signings despite our deficiencies for so many years being bare for all to see.
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Look at the pace in this PSG team. They’ve blown away City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa and now Inter. They press high and sprint all over the pitch. Why don’t we want pace and power?
 
Steve 007 said:
Look at the pace in this PSG team. They’ve blown away City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa and now Inter. They press high and sprint all over the pitch. Why don’t we want pace and power?
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Because some people don’t want nice things
 
Wondering Cunha is the real answer as he spends more time walking than anyone in the league, agreed he is good with the ball but we need team players and pressing monsters?
 
Bobby_2024 said:
Wondering Cunha is the real answer as he spends more tie walking than anyone in the league, agreed he is good with the ball but we need team players and pressing monsters?
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Come on seriously do your own research before parroting useless one sided data
 
Steve 007 said:
Look at the pace in this PSG team. They’ve blown away City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa and now Inter. They press high and sprint all over the pitch. Why don’t we want pace and power?
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It's not a trade off, though. Those are very energetic players, but they're also highly, highly technical, and they haven't sacrificed one drop of technical ability at the altar of a few more lbs of muscle or inches of height. They've got the balance right. Technical masters with great work ethic.
 
Steve 007 said:
Look at the pace in this PSG team. They’ve blown away City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa and now Inter. They press high and sprint all over the pitch. Why don’t we want pace and power?
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And yet it's their ability on the ball that got them there, there are other teams that work harder than psg on the pitch if you purely go off the distance covered metric but their technical ability is unmatched.

It doesn't have to be a trade off obviously its possible to get players that are both technical and hardworkers but the thing is almost every player is capable of hard work given the right regimen and training but you can't change the technical ceiling of said players, that's done and dusted , at best it'll be refined and polished.

The point being only prioritizing what has been said in the title and nothing else will lead to united being straddled with even more players that simply won't cut at the highest level.
 
Bobby_2024 said:
Wondering Cunha is the real answer as he spends more time walking than anyone in the league, agreed he is good with the ball but we need team players and pressing monsters?
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I think that's a completely misinterpreted stat to be honest. I'm pretty sure there's another one that shows he's also one of the players who sprints the most, which just means he's quite an explosive player who knows how to conserve his energy for when it's really needed.
 
Red the Bear said:
And yet it's their ability on the ball that got them there, there are other teams that work harder than psg on the pitch if you purely go off the distance covered metric but their technical ability is unmatched.

It doesn't have to be a trade off obviously its possible to get players that are both technical and hardworkers but the thing is almost every player is capable of hard work given the right regimen and training but you can't change the technical ceiling of said players, that's done and dusted , at best it'll be refined and polished.

The point being only prioritizing what has been said in the title and nothing else will lead to united being straddled with even more players that simply won't cut at the highest level.
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Listening to many more intelligent than myself, the general consensus of opinion is that we were overpowered against PL opposition. We were fine in Europe. The way I see it is that we are now prioritising PL proven players, Cunha, Mbeumo, Delap (who chose Chelsea) as our overseas talent has been too hot and miss.

Now the real question is does pace and power mean they can’t be good technical players? I don’t think it does.
 
Steve 007 said:
Look at the pace in this PSG team. They’ve blown away City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa and now Inter. They press high and sprint all over the pitch. Why don’t we want pace and power?
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But they didn't blow those teams away with athleticism, if anything it's what villa and arsenal used against them.

The final psg travelling distance was amongst the lowest.
 
Hammondo said:
But they didn't blow those teams away with athleticism, if anything it's what villa and arsenal used against them.

The final psg travelling distance was amongst the lowest.
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They did press both sides. Especially Villa when they got he lead they backed off a bit. Pace and power were key but pace and power is not at the expense of technical quality and it should not be at United either
 
If you’ve just sat through that season and still don’t recognise why we need more athleticism and physicality in the team then there’s no point debating with you. And if you really believe the club hasn’t thought that such physical players also need to possess technical qualities then that’s just laughable. We’re signing Cunha who ticks all boxes, we’re linked with Mbuemo who is another. We’re not going to ignore technical quality and, if you saw his Sporting side, you’d also understand that it Amorim also won’t be ignoring technical quality. The CBs he possessed at Sporting were themselves a tribute to this, though I do have high hopes for the likes of Yoro and Heaven.

A little bit of understanding and common sense will save a few people getting themselves all worked up over nothing here.
 
pocco said:
If you’ve just sat through that season and still don’t recognise why we need more athleticism and physicality in the team then there’s no point debating with you. And if you really believe the club hasn’t thought that such physical players also need to possess technical qualities then that’s just laughable. We’re signing Cunha who ticks all boxes, we’re linked with Mbuemo who is another. We’re not going to ignore technical quality and, if you saw his Sporting side, you’d also understand that it Amorim also won’t be ignoring technical quality. The CBs he possessed at Sporting were themselves a tribute to this, though I do have high hopes for the likes of Yoro and Heaven.

A little bit of understanding and common sense will save a few people getting themselves all worked up over nothing here.
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Pretty much this
 
Hammondo said:
But they didn't blow those teams away with athleticism, if anything it's what villa and arsenal used against them.

The final psg travelling distance was amongst the lowest.
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Inter Milan should have played exactly how Arsenal played against them..
Keep hitting long balls to Thuram..
Long throws ..
Form a low block as soon as you lose the ball.
Mourinho 2004-2010 would have won against this lot
 
giggs-beckham said:
Wouldn't be surprised if it's Cunha and a backup keeper and we go again next season.
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And where would we go, to the mid-table? We won't be winning much if we keep getting bossed in midfield - a Baleba/ Amadou Kone type of duo would do wonders.
 
All this talk of CF’s (Everyone's obsessed with Victor, Victor, Benjamin & Alexander) and PSG pull this off without one.
 
Funny that we want to wrestle teams (see Hojlund, Casemiro, Ugarte, Dorgu etc) to death whereas PSG are showing how important skill is.
 
McLvnsMuse said:
All this talk of CF’s (Everyone's obsessed with Victor, Victor, Benjamin & Alexander) and PSG pull this off without one.
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I would be very interested to see how they would do in PL. They have beaten the PL’s best. How would they do against the lesser teams?
 
Steve 007 said:
I would be very interested to see how they would do in PL. They have beaten the PL’s best. How would they do against the lesser teams?
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With the level of defending in PL, which apparently comprises teams comparable to or better than peak AC Milan of the 90s, they would struggle miserably you’d expect. Probably a top 5 team but not scoring much and struggling with immense physicality and pace.
 
This is going to become the new "press resistant" label where players are almost arbitrary put into good or bad based on athleticism, which itself is ill defined. Same people saying we need more power probably also wanted McTominay sold.

And this system definitely needs more legs and physicality, but it's not the be all end all. We also need the athletic WB he signed to be good enough on the ball to be able to play through a Bournemouth press.
 
Sarni said:
With the level of defending in PL, which apparently comprises teams comparable to or better than peak AC Milan of the 90s, they would struggle miserably you’d expect. Probably a top 5 team but not scoring much and struggling with immense physicality and pace.
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I agree. The EPL is different. More teams = more games. There are also 2 domestic cup competitions to add to the physical load. In Europe, teams from other leagues have the benefit of fresher players. That is a fact. I think PSG would struggle with the physicality and load.
 
People see the title and assume that Amorim intends to transform us into a team reminiscent of Stoke under Pulis.

I seriously doubt that this will be the outcome. While those three attributes will be prioritised, it will not be at the cost of technical ability.
 
waza7111 said:
People see the title and assume that Amorim intends to transform us into a team reminiscent of Stoke under Pulis.

I seriously doubt that this will be the outcome. While those three attributes will be prioritised, it will not be at the cost of technical ability.
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PSG should be the example, of pace, power and athleticism from last night. Add to that a unbelievable off the ball work ethic and willingness to track back, press inter to death.

That's the blueprint, but you need every player to buy into it and you need to raise the bar on standards expected at the club.

Luis Campos has shown, if you can identify the right players, and the right manager it is possible.
 
We certainly need pace. But I don’t see passing on there as one of the main attributes. That is 100% what we need. PSGs passing last night was class and if you don’t have that then you can’t progress the ball forward as much.
 
DJ_21 said:
We certainly need pace. But I don’t see passing on there as one of the main attributes. That is 100% what we need. PSGs passing last night was class and if you don’t have that then you can’t progress the ball forward as much.
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I'd presume technical ability was inferred otherwise we could go buy a load of championship and league 1 players.
 
DJ_21 said:
We certainly need pace. But I don’t see passing on there as one of the main attributes. That is 100% what we need. PSGs passing last night was class and if you don’t have that then you can’t progress the ball forward as much.
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Whilst I agree, just because he's prioritizing power, pace and athleticism doesn't mean he's targeting cloggers who can't play.
 
I think people are gently just abit dim and fail to understand what this means. The players we have been linked with Cunha, Mbeumo, Delap, Ederson all have a much higher physical platform than our current team and it’s fundamental that we improve in that area, however none of them compromise on the required technical ability either. I think too many people are burnt by Dorgu who is raw technically.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
I think people are gently just abit dim and fail to understand what this means. The players we have been linked with Cunha, Mbeumo, Delap, Ederson all have a much higher physical platform than our current team and it’s fundamental that we improve in that area, however none of them compromise on the required technical ability either. I think too many people are burnt by Dorgu who is raw technically.
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this
 
AdNani said:
Whilst I agree, just because he's prioritizing power, pace and athleticism doesn't mean he's targeting cloggers who can't play.
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How many windows have we had under previous managers and we haven’t sign one specialist passer.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
I think people are gently just abit dim and fail to understand what this means. The players we have been linked with Cunha, Mbeumo, Delap, Ederson all have a much higher physical platform than our current team and it’s fundamental that we improve in that area, however none of them compromise on the required technical ability either. I think too many people are burnt by Dorgu who is raw technically.
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You can add Ugarte to that too, because he is both technically deficient and he lacks physicality because he barely lasts an hour of PL games, I think most people do not trust the football structure to make the right moves on players, because the 2 players signed or rumoured to be their signing have been well to put it nicely a bit shit
 
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