Sign him up. Hat-trick and counting at the moment for him.
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Villa > Torres
Villa > Torres
Whats with posting the same thing in multiple threads? Its not true at all anyway.I want Villa, he's amazing!
Really worried Liverpool may get him though...
Really worried Liverpool may get him though...
I'm a post whore. And it's all opinions anyway. It's as valid an opinion as yours.
Its not though. I've been watching him for years for Valencia. He plays leading the line, as I keep telling you
and he plays at a much faster pace than Tevez who is prone to holding onto the ball a little too long.Yeah, whatever.Its not though. I've been watching him for years for Valencia. He plays leading the line, as I keep telling you
he'll end up at Liverpool
Ekeke how can you say that someone elses opinion is not valid. I have been watching him for years as well and i would not class him as a typical "lead the line" striker. Pipe down.
Arent you going to share how long you've been following him and watching him ? Arent you going to tell me in all the times you've seen him he's slowed down the play "like RVN" - more so than Tevez ? And that he doesnt lead the line?
Villa would slow us down?
Ekeke is right, Villa is perfect for us. He leads the line but gives movement and finds space that would keep our fluid style of play, unlike Mr Berbatov. He would be a great signing, I would be suprised if we got him though. Have a feeling he may go to the dippers...
I never said he was "typical" in any way. So stop making things up
He put that exact same and extremely inaccurate post in the spain thread. Then he puts it in this one too.
He leads the line and plays the ball faster than Tevez. Not that Tevez' style isnt appreciated, there are times when slower and more careful play leads to good things too - but thats just how it is and the difference between the two players.
Him being "typical" was not a point of discussion here, so im not making things up was just a turn of phrase. I remember already having this convo with you elsewhere about that. I was talking about you saying someones opinion is not valid, even if the slowing us down part was a bit off the mark.I never said he was "typical" in any way. So stop making things up
He put that exact same and extremely inaccurate post in the spain thread. Then he puts it in this one too.
It wasnt even that part that annoyed me (the second time in the second thread I had to read it in) because you're right, that part is opinion. Its fairly obvious who plays the ball quicker, but it is still a matter of opinion.
But suggesting he doesnt lead the line?
Half the match today he led the line - fact. The whole of this season he led the line for Valencia - also a fact. There have been times in previous seasons where he's been partnered by more static players who had to play in front of him, and becuase of his set of skills (that were shown today) he was the one who would drop a little deeper and link up play. But for the last year and a half and in the match today, he proved that he can lead the line.It seems you have form for acting like a cnut.I never said he was "typical" in any way. So stop making things up
He put that exact same and extremely inaccurate post in the spain thread. Then he puts it in this one too.
He leads the line and plays the ball faster than Tevez. Not that Tevez' style isnt appreciated, there are times when slower and more careful play leads to good things too - but thats just how it is and the difference between the two players.
Torres led the line you blind fool.It wasnt even that part that annoyed me (the second time in the second thread I had to read it in) because you're right, that part is opinion. Its fairly obvious who plays the ball quicker, but it is still a matter of opinion.
But suggesting he doesnt lead the line?
And you have form for being entirely innaccurate. Slow our play down like Ruud?
Torres was taken off after an hour
Its hard to lead the line from the bench, "you blind fool" If you don't know why we played better in 2006/7 after selling Ruud then you obviously don't know anything about United. Go find an Arsenal forum.And you have form for being entirely innaccurate. Slow our play down like Ruud?
Get bullied at school much Mcfeckwit?And you have form for being entirely innaccurate. Slow our play down like Ruud?
Torres was taken off after an hour
How can you not get it? David Villa is nothing like Ruud
"you blind fool"Oh bravo! Can't dispute the footballing matters so resort to insults. Jolly good show
You're a child. You know nothing about football or United yet still criticise the opinions of other.How can you not get it? David Villa is nothing like Ruud
They both led the line in the first half with Ineista coming off from the right to link up midfield and attack, Ramos provided the width. Perfect tactics from Aragones. Then Villa led the line on his own from the 55th minute.
No players are similar enough to be compared but Torres and Villa make the same runs through the channels, which is essential and a great asset when leading the line. This season Villa has lead the line while Zigic has been on the bench, I think that says alot about his ability to "lead the line".
I'm a child? Sorry my man, I thought you were the one throwing about insults because you couldn't keep up with a footballing discussion. Classic.
-Ronaldo's brilliance
-The rise of Evra and Vidic, providing more solidity at the back
-Brilliance of a re-surgent Scholes, accompanied by the stability of Carrick
Ruud played in front of one of the worst Utd midfields in a long time, and still had a decent goalscoring record.
Think the free-flowing dutch showed that Ruud doesn't stunt the overall fluidity of their team.
True, he can lead the line any talented player can find different ways to do well for the team, look at Rooney for us at times this season. Finishing apart in some games I think he did well for us pushed up top. The way I see it though there are two ways of leading the line... making runs in behind and in space which he is great at or pushing up and holding up the ball for others when there is not much room. He was not great at that last year for Valencia when i watched them in my opinion and his goals kind of masked that. Players like Torres and Drogba are able to do both.But suggesting he doesnt lead the line?
Some aspects of that role are not really natural for him. Which in my opinion is why he was at his best when playing with Morientes in terms of performance as well as goals.
David Villa is an excellent striker who would suit United perfectly. With his pace, finishing and awareness we'd probably be more prolific up front than ever and wouldn't rely on Ronaldo anymore.
Anyone who says that he couldn't lead the line has probably not seen him enough to even recognize who we are talking about. He led the line for Zaragoza, he led the line for Valencia and he's led the line in handful of games for Spain. If that's not enough of a proof, then I don't know what would be.
Anyone who says that he couldn't lead the line has probably not seen him enough to even recognize who we are talking about. He led the line for Zaragoza, he led the line for Valencia and he's led the line in handful of games for Spain. If that's not enough of a proof, then I don't know what would be.
I agree.
Ruud wasnt the same player in his latter days to what he was when he came, I think alot of that was due to confidence. Ruud didnt hinder our play, we were just poor with the likes of Djemba twins, Kleberson, Fletcher and Miller being regular player in the side, not good enough. Ruud didnt get the same service when compared to the service he got when we had Beckham, Veron and Co.
The ideal for us is a Saha who does not get injured every 5 minutes. We had Ruud leading the line in 2005/6 but ended up with Rooney and Ronaldo often having to play the ball back to Ruud who was not as fast as them. Also Ruud was never much good with his back to goal. Saha was great for us in 2006/7 as he was as quick as Ronaldo and was also strong enough with his back to goal to hold up the ball and play Rooney or Ronaldo in.
Torres fits that description a lot better than Villa. He would have been brilliant for us. If we had Villa then he would surely score goals as he is a natural the way Ruud is. But he would not give us that different dimension that a Torres/Saha type would. You could not expect Villa to hold off a couple of big PL defenders the way Torres can.
YOu can define "leading the line" in different ways but to me it's Mark Huges in the Cantona years. A player who you can throw up front on their own and they are so strong that you can throw the ball up to them and they will hold off defenders and make things happen. It's not an option we have with Tevez/Rooney, although they both try hard to make it work if they put in that position.
Fair enough. But in my opinion our tactics are perfect for a player who plays the role in the same way Villa does.
Runs on the shoulder of the last defender left when he fluffed the left footed shot and the other chest control that his his hand. The point is, he made the run time and again and offered the option.
The ability to spot a pass and play a team mate in - when he put Fabregas through the first time and the ball was an inch too far, the fantastic pass he played for Torres which the keeper saved and the Fabregas goal where he played that wonderful scoop pass.
Absolutely clinical finisher.
A bit of ability in the air. When the chances come about he'll score a few - its not a weak area like it is for Rooney and Henry who almost never score with their head despite getting the chances to. He will not be a huge threat in the air due to his height and his leap isnt huge, but if theres a clear chance its probably going in.
Determination, aggression, skill and balance - he won a lot of fouls today holding the ball up and he wasnt diving all over the place like Torres.
So yes, I think this kind of Eto'o-like mobile front man who can do it all but most importantly, likes to play on the shoulder and put the ball in the back of the net, is perfect for our current system. And Villa is one of the best 2 at it.
A fit Saha may be the ideal striker, and I am firmly of this belief, but Villa can lead the line perfectly well and would do brilliantly well with our playing style. He's not my first choice but he's available and is a better partner for Rooney than Tevez ever will be.
Torres fits the ideal striker description better, but Tevez clearly wasn't the ideal striker we bought last year yet he was still of great importance to us and we won the league and Champions League with him. He doesn't need to big and strong to play in our team, his movement and ability to get in behind offers us a whole other dimension anyway. He is not like Ruud.
I don't think it's right to mention the likes of Rooney and Ronaldo in a past tense. They were not as complete back then as they are now, Ronaldo's delivery was very frustrating to watch, imagine how it was for Ruud!
Sure Saha is a great alternative option for us, the only thing that stops him being that option is injury's. I think he needs a change, I think we need a change too, and I see no reason why Villa can't be that alternative option for us.
Yes, Villa isnt as good with his back to goal as Torres is but who is? and so what. Villa brings different strengths to the table, the type of striker we need isnt primarily a player who can hold up the ball, it's a striker that can give us penetration, and good movement so that we keep our fluid style. Who is better and more available than Villa who can do that?
Villa brings a lot to the table. He's surely a better finisher than Tevez or Rooney. But how great would it be to have someone who can lead the line according to my definition above, someone who is always an outlet ball, who is strong enough to hold off big PL defenders and play others in, as well as a great finisher? Maybe this perfect player for us was Torres and there is no other option out there, in which case going for Villa, who at least ticks the great finisher box, is better than no new striker at all.
But you would have to pretty childish like that Ekeke joker to dismiss all discussion of what Villa can't give us.
As other strikers being linked to United seem not to be available to us, Villa could be the perfect option. He can play as both an out and out striker and a link up player.
His goalscoring record is amazing and is actually better than Torres' goalscoring record.
Torres - Athletico Madrid Games 243 Goals 91
- Liverpool Games 33 Goals 24
- Spain Games 50 Goals 15
- Total Games 326 Goals 130
Villa - Sporting Gijon Games 115 Goals 51
Real Zaragoza Games 73 Goals 32
Valencia Games 101 Goals 58
Spain Games 32 Goals 16
Total Games 321 Goals 157
He is small but should be able to adapt to the PL. He is quality. And he is available. Pricey, but definately available. He would be worth a shout.
His goalscoring record is amazing and is actually better than Torres' goalscoring record.
Torres - Athletico Madrid Games 243 Goals 91
- Liverpool Games 33 Goals 24
- Spain Games 50 Goals 15
- Total Games 326 Goals 130
Villa - Sporting Gijon Games 115 Goals 51
Real Zaragoza Games 73 Goals 32
Valencia Games 101 Goals 58
Spain Games 32 Goals 16
Total Games 321 Goals 157
He is small but should be able to adapt to the PL. He is quality. And he is available. Pricey, but definately available. He would be worth a shout.
If we're comparing Torres and Villa :
Today was a perfect showing of the two and what qualities they both have. They are similar in a lot of ways, but also a bit different in a few others.
Villa was more involved, partly due to his link up role and also his ability to seemlessly join in with the passing football. He always wanted the ball and always looked dangerous with it. However...
Torres can kill a player 1 vs 1 better than Villa. He has a bit more acceleration and is a slightly better dribbler. Certainly on this showing, Torres offered no more strength or balance than Villa, instead choosing to dramatically fall over any chance he got - but even though he drifted in and out of the game, you knew that if they find Torres 1 on 1 with a defender, it was game over for that defender at the very least.
Villa takes a few more attempts to beat his man but he's well capable of doing it and his work rate means it will happen almost as often.
Today was a perfect showing of the two and what qualities they both have. They are similar in a lot of ways, but also a bit different in a few others.
Villa was more involved, partly due to his link up role and also his ability to seemlessly join in with the passing football. He always wanted the ball and always looked dangerous with it. However...
Torres can kill a player 1 vs 1 better than Villa. He has a bit more acceleration and is a slightly better dribbler. Certainly on this showing, Torres offered no more strength or balance than Villa, instead choosing to dramatically fall over any chance he got - but even though he drifted in and out of the game, you knew that if they find Torres 1 on 1 with a defender, it was game over for that defender at the very least.
Villa takes a few more attempts to beat his man but he's well capable of doing it and his work rate means it will happen almost as often.
what no sign of the chief yet, slagging everyone who want villa at united
Still trying to navigate his way out of berbatov's arse I'm guessing.
I think his price just doubled
Scored a hat trick then?
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Villa would give us a different option I have said why in previous posts. He is nothing like Rooney, Tevez or any other striker we have. Villa would stretch defences and create space for Rooney, Tevez and Co to work in, but most importantly give us penetration, we play too much football infront of the oppositions defence at times.
Villa is always an outlet ball, he isnt as strong as defenders in La Liga or the Premiership, but he knows this and doesnt mix it up with them. Instead he finds space, this space he finds would aid us in keeping our fluid style. You do know what fluid means don't you? (football played in space). Berbatov and some other striker we are linked with would not give us this, they like to feel the defenders and play with their back to goal, our play would then become more static in the final third.
Villa is a great option for us, and we could achieve something close to total football with him or a striker like him, in our side.