ecantona7
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Sign him up. Hat-trick and counting at the moment for him.
Whats with posting the same thing in multiple threads? Its not true at all anyway.Villa's not going to lead the line though is he? Would we just be in a Ruud situation where the player is a great natural goalscorer but always ends up slowing down our play?
I'd expect Villa to go to Chelsea anyway. If it's true that they want him then there's no way we can win that bidding war.
I'm a post whore. And it's all opinions anyway. It's as valid an opinion as yours.Whats with posting the same thing in multiple threads? Its not true at all anyway.
Its not though. I've been watching him for years for Valencia. He plays leading the line, as I keep telling you and he plays at a much faster pace than Tevez who is prone to holding onto the ball a little too long.I'm a post whore. And it's all opinions anyway. It's as valid an opinion as yours.
Yeah, whatever.Its not though. I've been watching him for years for Valencia. He plays leading the line, as I keep telling you and he plays at a much faster pace than Tevez who is prone to holding onto the ball a little too long.
Arent you going to share how long you've been following him and watching him ? Arent you going to tell me in all the times you've seen him he's slowed down the play "like RVN" - more so than Tevez ? And that he doesnt lead the line?Yeah, whatever.
I never said he was "typical" in any way. So stop making things upEkeke how can you say that someone else opinion is not valid. I have been watching him for years as well and i would not class him as a typical "lead the line" striker as well. Pipe down.
Him being "typical" was not a point of discussion here, so im not making things up was just a turn of phrase. I remember already having this convo with you elsewhere about that. I was talking about you saying someones opinion is not valid, even if the slowing us down part was a bit off the mark.I never said he was "typical" in any way. So stop making things up
He put that exact same and extremely inaccurate post in the spain thread. Then he puts it in this one too.
It wasnt even that part that annoyed me (the second time in the second thread I had to read it in) because you're right, that part is opinion. Its fairly obvious who plays the ball quicker, but it is still a matter of opinion.Him being "typical" was not a point of discussion here, so im not making things up was just a turn of phrase. I remember already having this convo with you elsewhere about that. I was talking about you saying someones opinion is not valid, even if the slowing us down part was a bit off the mark.
It seems you have form for acting like a cnut.I never said he was "typical" in any way. So stop making things up
He put that exact same and extremely inaccurate post in the spain thread. Then he puts it in this one too.
He leads the line and plays the ball faster than Tevez. Not that Tevez' style isnt appreciated, there are times when slower and more careful play leads to good things too - but thats just how it is and the difference between the two players.
Torres led the line you blind fool.It wasnt even that part that annoyed me (the second time in the second thread I had to read it in) because you're right, that part is opinion. Its fairly obvious who plays the ball quicker, but it is still a matter of opinion.
But suggesting he doesnt lead the line? Half the match today he led the line - fact. The whole of this season he led the line for Valencia - also a fact. There have been times in previous seasons where he's been partnered by more static players who had to play in front of him, and becuase of his set of skills (that were shown today) he was the one who would drop a little deeper and link up play. But for the last year and a half and in the match today, he proved that he can lead the line.
And you have form for being entirely innaccurate. Slow our play down like Ruud?It seems you have form for acting like a cnut.
Torres was taken off after an hour Its hard to lead the line from the bench, "you blind fool"Torres led the line you blind fool.
If you don't know why we played better in 2006/7 after selling Ruud then you obviously don't know anything about United. Go find an Arsenal forum.And you have form for being entirely innaccurate. Slow our play down like Ruud?
Get bullied at school much Mcfeckwit?And you have form for being entirely innaccurate. Slow our play down like Ruud?
Torres was taken off after an hour Its hard to lead the line from the bench, "you blind fool"
How can you not get it? David Villa is nothing like Ruud "you blind fool"If you don't know why we played better in 2006/7 after selling Ruud then you obviously don't know anything about United. Go find an Arsenal forum.
Oh bravo! Can't dispute the footballing matters so resort to insults. Jolly good showGet bullied at school much?
You're a child. You know nothing about football or United yet still criticise the opinions of other.How can you not get it? David Villa is nothing like Ruud "you blind fool"
They both led the line in the first half with Ineista coming off from the right to link up midfield and attack, Ramos provided the width. Perfect tactics from Aragones. Then Villa led the line on his own from the 55th minute.Torres led the line you blind fool.
I'm a child? Sorry my man, I thought you were the one throwing about insults because you couldn't keep up with a footballing discussion. Classic.You're a child. You know nothing about football or United yet still criticise the opinions of other.
-Ronaldo's brillianceIf you don't know why we played better in 2006/7 after selling Ruud then you obviously don't know anything about United. Go find an Arsenal forum.
True, he can lead the line any talented player can find different ways to do well for the team, look at Rooney for us at times this season. Finishing apart in some games I think he did well for us pushed up top. The way I see it though there are two ways of leading the line... making runs in behind and in space which he is great at or pushing up and holding up the ball for others when there is not much room. He was not great at that last year for Valencia when i watched them in my opinion and his goals kind of masked that. Players like Torres and Drogba are able to do both.But suggesting he doesnt lead the line? Half the match today he led the line - fact. The whole of this season he led the line for Valencia - also a fact. There have been times in previous seasons where he's been partnered by more static players who had to play in front of him, and becuase of his set of skills (that were shown today) he was the one who would drop a little deeper and link up play. But for the last year and a half and in the match today, he proved that he can lead the line.
I agree.-Ronaldo's brilliance
-The rise of Evra and Vidic, providing more solidity at the back
-Brilliance of a re-surgent Scholes, accompanied by the stability of Carrick
Ruud played in front of one of the worst Utd midfields in a long time, and still had a decent goalscoring record.
Think the free-flowing dutch showed that Ruud doesn't stunt the overall fluidity of their team.
The ideal for us is a Saha who does not get injured every 5 minutes. We had Ruud leading the line in 2005/6 but ended up with Rooney and Ronaldo often having to play the ball back to Ruud who was not as fast as them. Also Ruud was never much good with his back to goal. Saha was great for us in 2006/7 as he was as quick as Ronaldo and was also strong enough with his back to goal to hold up the ball and play Rooney or Ronaldo in.They both led the line in the first half with Ineista coming off from the right to link up midfield and attack, Ramos provided the width. Perfect tactics from Aragones. Then Villa led the line on his own from the 55th minute.
No players are similar enough to be compared but Torres and Villa make the same runs through the channels, which is essential and a great asset when leading the line. This season Villa has lead the line while Zigic has been on the bench, I think that says alot about his ability to "lead the line".
Fair enough. But in my opinion our tactics are perfect for a player who plays the role in the same way Villa does.True, he can lead the line any talented player can find different ways to do well for the team, look at Rooney for us at times this season. Finishing apart in some games i think he did well for us pushed up top. The way i see it though there are two ways of leading the line... making runs in behind and in space which he is great at or pushing up and holding up the ball for others when there is not much room. He was not great at that last year for Valencia when i watched them in my opinion and his goals kind of masked that. Players like Torres and Drogba are able to do both.
Some aspects of that role are not really natural for him. Which in my opinion is why he was at his best when playing with Morientes in terms of performance as well as goals.
A fit Saha may be the ideal striker, and I am firmly of this belief, but Villa can lead the line perfectly well and would do brilliantly well with our playing style. He's not my first choice but he's available and is a better partner for Rooney than Tevez ever will be.The ideal for us is a Saha who does not get injured every 5 minutes. We had Ruud leading the line in 2005/6 but ended up with Rooney and Ronaldo often having to play the ball back to Ruud who was not as fast as them. Also Ruud was never much good with his back to goal. Saha was great for us in 2006/7 as he was as quick as Ronaldo and was also strong enough with his back to goal to hold up the ball and play Rooney or Ronaldo in.
Torres fits the ideal striker description better, but Tevez clearly wasn't the ideal striker we bought last year yet he was still of great importance to us and we won the league and Champions League with him. He doesn't need to big and strong to play in our team, his movement and ability to get in behind offers us a whole other dimension anyway. He is not like Ruud.Torres fits that description a lot better than Villa. He would have been brilliant for us. If we had Villa then he would surely score goals as he is a natural the way Ruud is. But he would not give us that different dimension that a Torres/Saha type would. You could not expect Villa to hold off a couple of big PL defenders the way Torres can.
I don't think it's right to mention the likes of Rooney and Ronaldo in a past tense. They were not as complete back then as they are now, Ronaldo's delivery was very frustrating to watch, imagine how it was for Ruud!The ideal for us is a Saha who does not get injured every 5 minutes. We had Ruud leading the line in 2005/6 but ended up with Rooney and Ronaldo often having to play the ball back to Ruud who was not as fast as them. Also Ruud was never much good with his back to goal. Saha was great for us in 2006/7 as he was as quick as Ronaldo and was also strong enough with his back to goal to hold up the ball and play Rooney or Ronaldo in.
Torres fits that description a lot better than Villa. He would have been brilliant for us. If we had Villa then he would surely score goals as he is a natural then way Ruud is. But he would not give us that different dimension that a Torres/Saha type would. You could not expect Villa to hold off a couple of big PL defenders the way Torres can.
Also Ruud was never much good with his back to goal.
Villa brings a lot to the table. He's surely a better finisher than Tevez or Rooney. But how great would it be to have someone who can lead the line according to my definition above, someone who is always an outlet ball, who is strong enough to hold off big PL defenders and play others in, as well as a great finisher? Maybe this perfect player for us was Torres and there is no other option out there, in which case going for Villa, who at least ticks the great finisher box, is better than no new striker at all.Yes, Villa isnt as good with his back to goal as Torres is but who is? and so what. Villa brings different strengths to the table, the type of striker we need isnt primarily a play who can hold up the ball, it's a strike that can give us penetration, and good movement so that we keep our fluid style. Who is better and more available than Villa who can do that?
Still trying to navigate his way out of berbatov's arse I'm guessing.what no sign of the chief yet, slagging everyone who want villa at united
Villa would give us a different option I have said why in previous posts. He is nothing like Rooney, Tevez or any other striker we have. Villa would stretch defences and create space for Rooney, Tevez and Co to work in, but most importantly give us penetration, we play too much football infront of the oppositions defence at times.Villa brings a lot to the table. He's surely a better finisher than Tevez or Rooney. But how great would it be to have someone who can lead the line according to my definition above, someone who is always an outlet ball, who is strong enough to hold off big PL defenders and play others in, as well as good finisher? Maybe this perfect player for us was Torres and there is no other option out there, in which case going for a Villa who at least ticks the great finisher box, is better than no new striker at all.
But you would have to pretty childish like that Ekeke joker to dismiss all discussion of what Villa can't give us.