no,no,no
if ever a player has been over-feted, it's him!
how he can even be within a whisker of bobby moore's england record amazes me
LEGEND: What defines a Manchester United Legend?
- Thread starter sammsky1
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
- Status
if ever a player has been over-feted, it's him!
how he can even be within a whisker of bobby moore's england record amazes me
Beckham - legend.
so we've got beckham as a legend - and robbo not.Beckham - legend.
i give up
To be fair, he could've and probably should've gone onto become a legend. Shame he was more interested in brand Beckham and becoming a such media whore, above anything else.
well that's the thing - bloody brand beckham! pathetic
( i blame the hairy twiglet in the most part, tho )
easy to blame her. That said, I can't stand the slag.
He gave us years of service and has always been a United fan. No denying he became a media whore, but for me that doesn't take anything away from his contribution and achivements with the club. Pity it lasted 7-8 years rather than 15, but that's the way things turned out to be.
Beckham didn't give the club half as much grief as George Best had, and he wasn't an alcoholic and a wife beater. Still, one is remembered only for his footballing skills and the other for anything but. Inconsistent and unfair.
Beckham didn't give the club half as much grief as George Best had, and he wasn't an alcoholic and a wife beater. Still, one is remembered only for his footballing skills and the other for anything but. Inconsistent and unfair.
and beckham wasn't a genius
he was merely a very very good player who was blessed with " good looks "
do you think if he'd been small, ginger and unassuming, he'd be as famous?
What defines a UTD legend, thats a very subjective question and its best to tak about the last decade or two as most on the forum will not have been around to watch Bobby Charlton play.
In my mind, to qualify, they need to have retired, its as follows.......
Loyalty to the club and its supporters
Footballing flair and entertainment value
Honours (both personel and club)
There are many in the current squad that meet this criteria, Giggs and Scholes stand out. Gary Neville will be remembered as a great servant of the club but, a legend, I don't know?
For me there are a couple in the last ten years that really stand out, the first is Peter Schmeical, what a player, what a pro, the best goalkeeper of his generation or any other that I remember.
Eric Cantona. What can I say about this man that has not already been said. A genius, an entertainer, and he for me, is what defines Legend. He was our talisman, he was the man that helped shaped our great club into what it is today (for good or ill) the most inspirational player to wear the shirt in twenty years.
These two will be joined by Giggs and Scholes when thay retire and richly deserve their place in the pantheon of Manchester United legends.
In my mind, to qualify, they need to have retired, its as follows.......
Loyalty to the club and its supporters
Footballing flair and entertainment value
Honours (both personel and club)
There are many in the current squad that meet this criteria, Giggs and Scholes stand out. Gary Neville will be remembered as a great servant of the club but, a legend, I don't know?
For me there are a couple in the last ten years that really stand out, the first is Peter Schmeical, what a player, what a pro, the best goalkeeper of his generation or any other that I remember.
Eric Cantona. What can I say about this man that has not already been said. A genius, an entertainer, and he for me, is what defines Legend. He was our talisman, he was the man that helped shaped our great club into what it is today (for good or ill) the most inspirational player to wear the shirt in twenty years.
These two will be joined by Giggs and Scholes when thay retire and richly deserve their place in the pantheon of Manchester United legends.
Gary Neville is one of my favourite players. I'll always remember the loyalty and the passion he's shown whilst playing for United. I even reckon I'll be teaching my kids (if I have them) "Gary Neville is a Red.." but he isn't a legend. At most other clubs maybe he would have been but we've been quite blessed and can be quite choosy.
A lot of people can't differentiate their favourite United players and legendary status. Beckham was a very prominent player at the club and drew in a lot of new fans particularly from abroad who would see him as a legend when he isn't really.
A lot of people can't differentiate their favourite United players and legendary status. Beckham was a very prominent player at the club and drew in a lot of new fans particularly from abroad who would see him as a legend when he isn't really.
No, he wasn't. He was the best player in Europe in his position though, and the best around in passing, crossing and FKs. He worked his socks off, and loved (probably still does) the club.and beckham wasn't a genius
he was merely a very very good player who was blessed with " good looks "
do you think if he'd been small, ginger and unassuming, he'd be as famous?
I'm not impressed with his media circus any more then you do, and disappointed with the clown he's turned into but as I said, this doesn't take away the memories from the good old times.
well he should have stayed here then
( and he still doesn't deserve all these caps )
These would be my choices from the list.
Billy Meredith
Dennis Violett
Alex Stepney
Duncan Edwards
Pat Crerand
Johnny Morris
Bobby Charlton
George Best
Dennis Law
Steve Coppell
Arthur Albiston
Gary Bailey
Post SAF:
Bryan Robson
Eric Cantona
Mark Hughes
Dennis Irwin
Steve Bruce
Gary Pallister
Peter Schmeichel
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Ole Gunnar Soslkjaer
Ryan Giggs
Roy Keane
Gary Neville
Paul Scholes
Candidates from current squad:
Rio Ferdinand
Michael Carrick
Cristiano Ronaldo
Wayne Rooney
Carlos Tevez
Anderson
Billy Meredith
Dennis Violett
Alex Stepney
Duncan Edwards
Pat Crerand
Johnny Morris
Bobby Charlton
George Best
Dennis Law
Steve Coppell
Arthur Albiston
Gary Bailey
Post SAF:
Bryan Robson
Eric Cantona
Mark Hughes
Dennis Irwin
Steve Bruce
Gary Pallister
Peter Schmeichel
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Ole Gunnar Soslkjaer
Ryan Giggs
Roy Keane
Gary Neville
Paul Scholes
Candidates from current squad:
Rio Ferdinand
Michael Carrick
Cristiano Ronaldo
Wayne Rooney
Carlos Tevez
Anderson
i've gone off sparky these last few years
quality, nicely decked tv room holyland!I wasn't impressed with his extatic reaction to beating us in a City shirt. Still, our best ever keeper I suppose.
yes i remember that too ( and what i shouted at the tv when i saw it )
Yeah I agree, managing City and also being a Chelsea fan apparently when they've been our closest title rivals in the last few years hasn't helped.
Hope he gets City relegated mind, then all is forgiven.
I don't have that privelege anymore (the kids you know...). The missus started moaning about our singing classes when I taught the kids our Nemanja song, and called them off altogether when we started practicing the Owen Hargreaves one!
Dont see any reason to bring some personal circus to ridicule Bestie.
As for Beckham do you agree to the manner he negotiated his final two contracts at United? I dont berate over personality clashes of a particular player with Fergie. From Schmeichel, Cantona to Stam or Keane all self styled cnuts in their own rights, whilst Beckham's only personality clash was being thick, full to himself and isolating himself in the dressing room, unleashing the media whorishness through that dirty woman and above all he would also keep the good "Iam a true red and humble" side of the argument ticking through the media.
I cannot see anything good about him especially in his last couple of seasons with us, had Fergie not bridled him he would've dragged United down to England's level.
For me a life-long alliance with the club is more importnat than career moves that could have been forced on the player. Hughes, Ince and Schmeikel have all become some sort of cnuts after leaving us. Beckham left in unpleasant circumstances but never said a bad word about the club or Fergie. on the contrary, he says in every opportunity that he's still a fan.
yes i know this - but he still wanted to leave
the majority of people here say that Best is a legent without ever watching him play, and just because that what United fans are "trained" to say. The same applies for mocking Beckham, who unfortunately evolved from a humble, dedicated and talented footballer to a media clown (and still a great player). My argument is that during this time he had with us he contributed more than most players in the history of the club.
I dont get this argument here! Even Savage or Butt had never said anything bad about our club. I cannot remember even Hughes, Ince, Schmeichel, ridiculing the Manchester United or our fans as a whole barring big time charlie to some extent, they had their problems with Fergie, went bonkers once they got fired and abused the gaffer - a reasonable stance to expect from massive cnuts. Beckham in his autobiography had unleashed at Fergie in his typical womanly manner, said sommat like "Fergie aint important to my life as much as Posh and I dont share my personal stuff with him..yadda yadda" for two pages getting loonier with every minute...where does that count?
i saw georgie play - he was a true genius and with every genius comes a flaw.
sadly for georgie it was the demon drink but he really couldn't help himself.
he even used to drink when he had his implants as he said the vomiting was worth it - very sad.
flaws aside, beckham shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as george.
I hope when you write your own autobiography you too will be able to reflect on your life saying your wife was more important to you than Fergie. That hardly registers as celebrating beating us in a derby (Shmikes), going public on wishing Chelsea to beat us for the title (Hughes) or celebrating extaticly with the Kop after equalizing against us (Charlie).
BUT HE STILL WANTED TO LEAVE
I think people tend to become more forgiving with time. Memories of the "Becks Circus" are still fresh, whereas thestories and myths involving with our 50's and 60's legends (unfortunately very little supporting video footage) mask whatever flaws they may have had. In a sense, they benefited from the limited media attention at the time which may have helped them keep their private lives for themselves.
I don't know this for a fact, but won't hold this against him even if he did. There are circumstances where separation could benefit both parties. Did we (Fergie) try to prevent him from leaving, the way we did with Cantona and the Portuguese?
i think my dear, you are wearing " beckham blinkers "
Those comments from Schmeichel came out of his bitterness against Fergie, its thick to expect every other former stars to speak only positive things about United. If thats the ideal line a legend should be guaged then hardly big any club in the world can boast of many.
As for Beckham, it was apparent as long as he is in the shadow of United and Sven massaging his egos he can up his media circus to any leve yet unfortunately for him Fergie was the only bully capable of derailing him. Better try reading those few pages that can be found in the net, he tries to make a strong statement but ended up like yell of a helpless child on rude supplications of missing out a toffee.
sir bobby said he wouldn't sign a new contract -sounds like he wanted to leave to me!
to mention Beckham and Best in the same breath is rank stupidity - Best was a football genius whilst Beckham was a great player
I think we disagree on the issue of Beckham, and that there is little point in arguing who's blinkered. Now if you don't mind I'll put on my Beckham pijama and go to bed...
exactly - and yet people still do!
I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with the media attention Beckham got/gets. While he was at United did it really affect the team at all? I don't think wasn't detrimental to the team and his performances while he was at the club were consistantly excellent.
I never implied they were on par football-wise. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to understand that the Best reference was intended to highlight the fact that personal flaws are forgiven when some "legends" are concerned.
holyland red displays some real ignorance about United´s real legends -Beckham a great player a media whore a lapdog to Posh but never a United legend
ffs how can anybody be if they admit to wearing his missus knickers
- Status