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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Mourinho would be my first choice by a country mile, the guys a winner simple as.
I expect him to lead Madrid to the La Liga title and win the Champions league again and then come to us.
I expect him to lead Madrid to the La Liga title and win the Champions league again and then come to us.
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Shut down the forum, in that case. Cos none of this matters.
Jose has a get out close if the United job becomes available.
It will be Moyes or Mourinho.
I don't even know why Moyes is being mentioned.
1. He has no winning experience,
2. He has no CL experience,
3. His teams always have slow starts to the league,
4. He doesn't get on with our key player.
1. He has no winning experience,
2. He has no CL experience,
3. His teams always have slow starts to the league,
4. He doesn't get on with our key player.
I try not to think about the day when SAF retires (unlike some on here who seem positively impatient for Jose to take over). I'll get behind whoever Bobby Charlton and Fergie decide is right for the job.
Mourinho is my choice as the next manager because he is a egotistical maniac. Last thing I want is a manager to replace Ferguson who is daunted by the shadow of the great man. I want someone who thinks he is better than Ferguson before he has even started the job.
Yet so many people seem to assume it will be him or Hughes or O'Neill none of whom have proven anything.
Lets look at O'Neill:
He joined Leicester City immediately after leaving Norwich. They won the Football League Cup under O'Neill in 1997 and 2000, as well as reaching the 1999 final of the competition. They finished ninth in 1997, tenth in 1998 and 1999, and eighth in 2000. The two League Cup triumphs saw them qualify for the UEFA Cup each time.
And at Celtic..
In his five seasons at Celtic Park, O'Neill won three League titles, three Scottish Cups, and a League Cup.
How does this qualify him for us? Do we forget how bad the Scottish league is?
Mark Hughes?
Blackburn: 6th once, 10th, 7th.
City: 10th, Sacked.
Lets see Ferguson when he took over:
Aberdeen
* Scottish Premier Division (3): 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
* Scottish Cup (4): 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
* Scottish League Cup (1): 1985–86
* UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1982–83
* UEFA Super Cup (1): 1983
With Aberdeen.
It's got to be, and definately without a shadow of a doubt, will be, Mourinho.
It will be Mourinho, I can't see Ferguson giving it to someone with no experience in winning big trophies, why would he? He wouldn't want to slow us down after all his hard work.
Really hope Moyes isn't even considered, hed be a disaster in my opinion, has proven nothing at the level he'd be required to not only compete in but win, would his name also be able to attract the players wed like? i don't see a backlog of footballers lining to to play under David moyes with all due respect.
Sir Alex Ferguson already has an eye on his successor at Manchester United and reportedly favours Barcelona coach Pep Guardiola to take over at Old Trafford.
68-year-old Ferguson has been in charge at Manchester United for almost a quarter of a century and although he shows little sign of stepping aside at the moment, according to Spanish daily Mundo Deportivo, he is considering his successor and would like to see Pep Guardiola take over the Manchester United hot seat.
According to Mundo Deportivo, Ferguson "very much appreciates Pep's virtues both on the bench and off it" and views Guardiola as "an ideal coach to perpetuate and enhance the attacking style of the United team".
At 39-years-old, Guardiola would not appear to be the type of candidate that Ferguson envisages succeeding him. Yesterday, Sir Alex commented that "I don't think Manchester United could ever go down the road of having a young manager, to be honest with you".
Despite his relative youth, Guardiola has been a massive success since taking over at the Nou Camp in 2008. Under his guidance, Barcelona have won plenty of silverware in significant style, including two Spanish titles, the Spanish Cup and of course the Champions League.
Report: Ferguson lining up Barcelona's Pep Guardiola as Manc - IMScouting
68-year-old Ferguson has been in charge at Manchester United for almost a quarter of a century and although he shows little sign of stepping aside at the moment, according to Spanish daily Mundo Deportivo, he is considering his successor and would like to see Pep Guardiola take over the Manchester United hot seat.
According to Mundo Deportivo, Ferguson "very much appreciates Pep's virtues both on the bench and off it" and views Guardiola as "an ideal coach to perpetuate and enhance the attacking style of the United team".
At 39-years-old, Guardiola would not appear to be the type of candidate that Ferguson envisages succeeding him. Yesterday, Sir Alex commented that "I don't think Manchester United could ever go down the road of having a young manager, to be honest with you".
Despite his relative youth, Guardiola has been a massive success since taking over at the Nou Camp in 2008. Under his guidance, Barcelona have won plenty of silverware in significant style, including two Spanish titles, the Spanish Cup and of course the Champions League.
Report: Ferguson lining up Barcelona's Pep Guardiola as Manc - IMScouting
O'Neill hasn't proven anything with 3 top 10 finishes and 2 League Cups with Leicester City?
Overperforming with small time clubs and winning with big clubs are very different matter.
So how on earth are managers meant to prove themselves capable of managing a top club without actually being given a chance to do so? I'd have thought Fergie is living proof that to be the best you need to be given a chance. Were you against his appointment just because he "only" managed Aberdeen successfully rather than a Juventus, Real Madrid, or Barcelona?
I know you're a Mourinho fanboi who's convinced himself he's the inevitable successor to Fergie, but your wrong, or at least premature in your certainty that he's nailed on.
It'll be Mourinho. You know it. I know it. Monkeys in the zoo know it.
He's been angling for the job since he left Chelsea. And all this talk about Mourinho not being able to form an attacking team is currently being blown out of the water by this Madrid team.
He's been angling for the job since he left Chelsea. And all this talk about Mourinho not being able to form an attacking team is currently being blown out of the water by this Madrid team.
He still hasn't shown himself to be someone who can bring youth through and improve them as players, until he proves he's got enough competence in that vital area of management then I'll continue to be unenthusiastic about the admittedly inevitable appointment of Mourinho.
I'll say again that I try not to even think about what happens after Ferguson because I find it depressing, whereas some posters are so gleeful about Mourinho it's like they're impatient to get rid of SAF and start our glorious new era. All this talk of "will he step aside for Mourinho?" it makes me sick to be frank. Ferguson should stay for as long as he wants and not give one thought to Mourinho and his plan for cementing his place as "the greatest manager ever tm".
Moyes would be cheaper I expect...
I'd want Mourinho.
Wouldn't want Moyes though, I imagine him being here would be like Hodgson is at Liverpool- out of his depth.
Wouldn't want Moyes though, I imagine him being here would be like Hodgson is at Liverpool- out of his depth.
Can someone please explain why everyone thinks Mourinho coming here is a formality? Surely I'm not the only one who doubts whether Gill and Bobby Charlton(who's gone on record saying Jose won't manage United) have the inclination to bring such a manager here? And I'm also pretty sure Mourinho won't be leaving the Bernabeu until he wins Madrid's 10th CL, his own ego wouldn't allow it.
I've kind of given up arguing for a bit of sanity in these threads. The minute one of them starts it's inundated with posters queuing up to inform us that Mourinho is the 'only choice', and that it's 'definitely' going to happen.
It's sad that so many people don't even consider the alternatives and don't seem to recognise that a Mourinho appointment would go against more than a few of United's long existing traditions. Bobby Charlton's quote even confirms this yet nothing can stand in the way of those adamant that there's 'only one suitable candidate' for the job.
Christ, we actually agree on something.
Didn't you just say that Mourinho's appointment is "inevitable"?
I don't even think it'll happen at all. His wages already beat SAF's and I doubt we'd be willing to pay more for SAF's successor, his track record for bringing through youngsters and buying youngsters and helping them reach their potential is sketchy, if not poor, his philosophy flies very much in the face of our club's philosphy and traditions.
Call me a cynic, but I don't think the management of Manchester United will ignore the best manager available of 'philosophy'.Didn't you just say that Mourinho's appointment is "inevitable"?
I don't even think it'll happen at all. His wages already beat SAF's and I doubt we'd be willing to pay more for SAF's successor, his track record for bringing through youngsters and buying youngsters and helping them reach their potential is sketchy, if not poor, his philosophy flies very much in the face of our club's philosphy and traditions.
Perhaps that wasn't the bit I was agreeing with. It's inevitable but I'm not happy about it (to be fair I should have bolded the bit about the Bobby Charlton etc so it's a fair point to make).Didn't you just say that Mourinho's appointment is "inevitable"?
I don't even think it'll happen at all. His wages already beat SAF's and I doubt we'd be willing to pay more for SAF's successor, his track record for bringing through youngsters and buying youngsters and helping them reach their potential is sketchy, if not poor, his philosophy flies very much in the face of our club's philosphy and traditions.
You've obviously no idea of the values and traditions of MUFC if you think we'll just go get the biggest flavour of the month as soon as SAF goes.
Bobby Charlton, the same Sir Bobby who'll have a huge say in who comes in has already gone on record as saying Mourinho isn't a United-type manager, "he's a talent but I don't see him here" and "what would happen to the youth" were his words or something along those lines.
David Gill, Mr value-concious himself wouldn't be willing to pay more to the greatest manager ever's successor, I'd have thought.
That's two huge black ball's against Mourinho and the numpties who've convinced themselves it's all signed and sealed that Jose is destined for OT.
I wonder why there is this idea Mourinho has no interest in youth. It couldn't be further from the truth. Inter's current crop of youngsters that are wowing some folks around where all brought through and given chances by Jose last season for example.
Nobody's saying he's "not interested" in youth, just that his track record for bringing through young talents isn't as impressive as his trophy count. It's rank poor in all truth.
The bolded bit is just nonsense. Coutinho hadn't even arrived at Inter, and has now been givin his chance by Benitez, and Biabiany was sent on loan to Parma by Mourinho and now Rafa has given him his opportunity this season. So the youngsters Inter are blooding into the team have nothing to do with Mourinho.
I think it's just a case of Mourinho deciding that he'll be utd manager and the Glazers biting his hand off because however much I dislike the guy (and believe me I do) he practically guarantees success. I'm just praying that a candidate emerges from the wilderness in the next few years who is a better "fit" at utd.
I actually thought you were making a sarcastic point because there was nothing after the words "for example"!
Even if they did want to play under Moyes ( which many do I think ) Everton don't have the funds to pay their wages.
When Moyes took over the club was on the verge of going bust having had the debacle of the Peter Johnston affair to contend with.
Twice in the 90s they came perilously close to being relegated with one game going down to the final minutes of the season. They were all but down.
Alongside that they have had millions squandered in ridiculous efforts to try move Everton away from Goodison. The planned move to the Albert Docks cost a reputed £4 million only for it to be ditched.
Since Moyes came in he's has little or no money to play with, having to juggle what players he had to finance rebuilding the team. Selling players like Rooney obviously helped but in general his transfer budget is limited to what he can gain from selling players.
When you consider what Moyes has done with absolutely no money then you begin to understand why Fergie rates him so highly and in fact wanted Moyes as his assistant manager.
Everton are now financially, the best ran team in the premiership and top the table of the team that comply with the FFP regulations. They have the lowest expenditure/income ratio in the premiership.
No, Moyes hasnt won alot, no he hasnt got a list of players as long as your arm to choose from, but what he's shown above all is his ability to get results out of a relatively poor group of players and at least stabilise Everton into a team that realistically finishes top 10 every season. Not only that but the players and the fans respect him immensely. His work ethic is amongst the strongest in the game, and he has many traits that we see in Fergie. His undivided loyalty to his players and his no nonsense approach to how his players act on and off the pitch.
Would he be good enough for United, well by all accounts Fergie seems to believe so, but I think the reason he won't be is the fact that Rooney remains at OT. I cannot and never will imagine Rooney and Moyes ever being able to work alongside each other. Too much has been said and done, and it would be completely insane to believe that United would countenance the sale of Rooney just to put Moyes as manager, and Moyes would not take the job if Rooney were to remain.
So, yes, Moyes could do the job, but I don't think he will.
And to everyone whos argument for Jose being the next Utd manager because he said he wants to be...Ummmm SO WHAT, last time I checked it wasn't his decision.
He's not exactly had much time to do that at his clubs though, has he? How many youth players did Fergie manage to bring through during his first 3 or so years at United? Clearly bringing through youth players takes time, something which Mourinho hasn't had a lot of at his clubs. What he's brought is immediate success and then moved on. Another concern which people have over him.Didn't you just say that Mourinho's appointment is "inevitable"?
I don't even think it'll happen at all. His wages already beat SAF's and I doubt we'd be willing to pay more for SAF's successor, his track record for bringing through youngsters and buying youngsters and helping them reach their potential is sketchy, if not poor, his philosophy flies very much in the face of our club's philosphy and traditions.
Even if he does that to us though, comes, wins trophies, and leaves after 3 years, what's the problem with that? The first few years following Fergie's retirement will be crucial in us maintaining our level at the top (assuming Fergie leaves us there, which he's said he will), so even if Mourinho only comes in and steadies the ship before handing the reigns to somebody else, I don't see much problem.
I don't see that happening though, his next job in England will be a long-term one. If he goes to City, and with their wealth and ambition, then he's going to lead them to success. I doubt he will go to Liverpool. I can't see him going back to Chelsea whilst Abramovich is still there. It will be one of the Manchester clubs, and I'd rather it be ours.
Why do people assume that Mourinho won't stay at Real long term? I am fully aware of Madrid's history when it comes to managers, but if Maureen is consistently bringing in success, slapping Barca about, and generally doing everything that is required of him, why would they part ways? He has already won the PL with Chelsea.
The one that will replace Sir Alex Ferguson, will have the pressure of replacing the best manager of all time. I know that Jose Mourinho can handle that pressure, and that makes him a top candidate. I personally think it is vital to have a experienced manager to take the reins after such a sad event in football history as the day Ferguson retires. When Ferguson retires, the priority can't be to play beautiful football, but the main priority has to be to keep winning.
I also like that Mourinho has stated several times, that he wants the job.
I also like that Mourinho has stated several times, that he wants the job.
I don't think Real Madrid is a job you want long term... When is the last time Real Madrid had a long term manager? The presidents are often "mad". I think one of the reason he really wanted the job, is because right now - Barcelona is the team to beat. But in the end, it is a "two club league" because of the individual TV-rights, and I think that will be very unhealthy for Spanish football in a long-term context. The Premier League is the most challenging league in the world, and the place to prove that you indeed are the best around.
I agree with all the stuff in your post and especially the bold bit. The post-Fergie era is going to be crucial and someone like Mourinho would keep the trophies coming and maybe take the "SAF's successor" millstone off the next manager's neck. I just don't see Gill, Charlton, and the board seeing it that way.
I'd probably say Mourinho is the man to succeed SAF but do I think it's going to happen or it's "nailed on" as some like to think? No. I don't think we'll go down that road, and I'd understand that decision unlike some who have wanked themselves dry at the prospect of JM arriving at OT.
I've never heard him say that at all. I've no idea where people get that myth from.
For me, it makes him the only candidate we should go for. Sure, every manager would say he's relishing the pressure and all that. Mourinho is probably the only one who would mean it.
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