Arsenal 3:1 Manchester United

Hester_manc · Apr 23, 2022

It is a surprise to me that Arsenal will end in top 4 this season, I think that United, Tottenham and even West Ham all have better players than them. But that is not all. Our players stopped believing in Solskjær and I do not think, that they ever trusted Rangnick. The manager is so important. We saw that with Fergie, where we would win a lot of games with players like O`Shea, Brown and Fletcher on the pitch.

jem · Apr 23, 2022

Hester_manc said:
Rangnick has been extremely poor for us and the worst manager, we have tried after Fergie. It is easy to say now, but I would rather have had Solskjær until the summer than Rangnick.

why? Results were disastrous under Ole by the end.

RedSky · Apr 23, 2022

lex talionis said:
It’s not easy to overlook the Bruno botched pk, but in the end this match didn’t matter. We fukked ourselves going into this season.

The season was recoverable in January. We were desperate for a defensive midfielder but didn't bring one in. That was clear at that point in my mind that the club didn't give a shit about this seasons finish. The final nail in the coffin was the Mason story exploding.

But we have a Manager that will continually pick players that do not perform and can't be arsed to run. Granted, he doesn't have too many options, but a lot of the options he could have turned too he decided to loan.

r0663664 · Apr 23, 2022

Bruno has been poor for so long. He is a loose cannon, zero discipline. Why is he undroppable? That's the problem with this squad. A bunch of useless players on the bench. XI picks itself so managers has no balls to drop anyone. Fergie makes average players great e.g. O'Shea, Brown, Park and so many others.

The_Midfielder · Apr 23, 2022

MrBest said:
I put this on Ralph now, we all know the players are rubbish, why does he keep starting them based on names. Why bother with Rashford off the bench, he's useless and makes no effort, Bruno off form. Total disaster.

AWB is still our best fb, why does Dalot start? Why don't we play some other formation?
This is the lowest we have ever been ..
The coach should be fired today and get somebody else

Ranchero · Apr 23, 2022

edgecutter said:
Let them enjoy it, arteta has been close to the sack and is having a chance to move them.back into the champions league. This was a cup final for them today and they had more bottle than we did.

We need to look at what's infront if us and begin the cull.

Has anyone any faith that our recruitment people will get in the players we need based on the farcical transfer windows since Fergie left? I dont.

DomesticTadpole · Apr 23, 2022

r0663664 said:
Bruno has been poor for so long. He is a loose cannon, zero discipline. Why is he undroppable? That's the problem with this squad. A bunch of useless players on the bench. XI picks itself so managers has no balls to drop anyone. Fergie makes average players great e.g. O'Shea, Brown, Park and so many others.

Just not sure he fits ETH. He might surprise us, but I doubt it.

DomesticTadpole · Apr 23, 2022

The_Midfielder said:
AWB is still our best fb, why does Dalot start? Why don't we play some other formation?
This is the lowest we have ever been ..
The coach should be fired today and get somebody else

Somebody said AWB was carrying a slight knock so that was why Dalot had to start.

sparx99 · Apr 23, 2022

DomesticTadpole said:
I don't think he needs CL as a distraction while building a system and a squad. It is the club who want it for financial reasons. Arsenal are always a hoot in the CL.

It could be useful to give younger players game time in the new system as well though. I just think we need to go for whatever trophies there are. We aren’t in a position to be elitist right now.

Iron Stove · Apr 23, 2022

Ranchero said:
The amount of money wasted which we the fans subsidise. Pogba's £90m down the drain alone. Leaving for nothing. And add to that the £550m in debt loaded on the club by the Glazers which the club pays for each year in interest payments.

We are a wreck of a club. Christ couldnt save us

I agree, been a fan since the 90's, how the hell did we get to this point..

mitchmouse · Apr 23, 2022

lefty_jakobz said:
We wont win another game this season

we'll hammer someone long after CL chances are gone - either brentford or brighton

Hester_manc · Apr 23, 2022

Figgins said:
i dont; he’s practically got zero to work with.

Zero to work with? The same players - without Ronaldo and Sancho - ended as number 2 last season. Ralf is a big reason, why the team does not work. But it is easier for him to say, that we have to sell 10 players than admitting, he is not good enough himself. Getting Rangnick was a huge own goal, but United was in a situation, where no one trusted Solskjær, and there was not a free good manager around.

mctrials23 · Apr 23, 2022

Cant take too much from this game to be honest. Should have had 2 more penalties and their Xhaka goal was questionable as to whether his view was blocked (happy to be corrected on this).

Sancho looked really good at times and I think with a good manager and team that works for each other on and off the ball he will really shine. Bruno took a shit penalty but so does everyone occasionally.

Just want the season to be over so we can all be silly about the potential signings that we may or may not make. We're currently in limbo and I just want the next step to start.

jem · Apr 23, 2022

SNes said:
Mata has been worse for years

Disagree. Mata hasn’t hit the heights Bruno has, but he’s never reached these lows.

DomesticTadpole · Apr 23, 2022

sparx99 said:
It could be useful to give younger players game time in the new system as well though. I just think we need to go for whatever trophies there are. We aren’t in a position to be elitist right now.

I do agree, just think the CL with a new manager and new squad would be too much.

darko · Apr 23, 2022

For Bruno: intensity does not equal mentality. Very poor from him today. I rarely if ever give out 2s but I did for him today. I'm assuming El Capitan choose himself over Ronaldo to take it. What arrogance! If it was a coaching call (I doubt it) I appologize.

mitchmouse · Apr 23, 2022

Random Task said:
Hard to say, but maybe. He hasn't exactly been tearing it up this season either to be fair.

but he is a proper No.9 and we don't have one of those - huge failing by Ole

Banana Republic · Apr 23, 2022

MrBest said:
I put this on Ralph now, we all know the players are rubbish, why does he keep starting them based on names. ……

Ralph cannot be blamed for Varane’s howler in the 3rd minute, or the dodgy penalty award for their 2nd.
He can’t be blamed for Bruno’s saved penalty kick, or Ramsdale tipping Dalot’s goal bound shot, onto the post, or our failure to capitalise on the corners and other half chances we had.

As for picking the same players.
Just look at what’s available to him.
That starting lineup was the best we could muster and put out today.

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The_Midfielder · Apr 23, 2022

Drizzle said:
Oh god no. It would have been just as bad but we would have had to endure Ole trying to assure us everything was OK. The fanbase would have melted down. It would have been a complete abyss.

No manager could have succeeded given the hand Ralf was dealt. We've needed his brutal truths. He's set ETH up for success next season by exposing all our issues.

A competent manager would have ma

Hester_manc said:
Zero to work with? The same players - without Ronaldo and Sancho - ended as number 2 last season. Ralf is a big reason, why the team does not work. But it is easier for him to say, that we have to sell 10 players than admitting, he is not good enough himself. Getting Rangnick was a huge own goal, but United was in a situation, where no one trusted Solskjær, and there was not a free good manager around.

Valverde ? Hell even Carrick would have made us top 4

mitchmouse · Apr 23, 2022

darko said:
For Bruno: intensity does not equal mentality. Very poor from him today. I rarely if ever give out 2s but I did for him today. I'm assuming El Capitan choose himself over Ronaldo to take it. What arrogance! If it was a coaching call (I doubt it) I appologize.

it might have been that Ronnie wasn't at training when it was decided and pens were practised earlier in the week

sparx99 · Apr 23, 2022

Figgins said:
i dont; he’s practically got zero to work with. It’ll probably fo them good to drop wages being out of the cl and focus on training the new wsy

I think Ralf was far too nice allowing Martial and Donny to leave in January with no replacements.

Cavani has been constantly injured, Pogba in and out and of course the Greenwood situation. Our team today had no quality on the bench.

We’d have been better keeping Martial and letting Lingard go for starters.

Ranchero · Apr 23, 2022

sparx99 said:
I actually think we’ve been the better side overall. You just can take huge errors, miss big chances and miss a penalty. You can’t overcome that level of ineptitude no matter how well you play otherwise.

We lost 3-1. The rules of football state that the team that score the most goals wins. Therefore the better side is Arsenal. The better side is not defined by the number of chances, passes or possession stats. It is goals. And we only scored one, two fewer than the Gunners. They are two goals better than us. So the better side in this match was Arsenal. They get the three points. We get none. Because we weren't better.

mitchmouse · Apr 23, 2022

Banana Republic said:
Ralph cannot be blamed for Varane’s howler in the 3rd minute, or the dodgy penalty award for their 2nd.
He can’t be blamed for Bruno’s saved penalty kick, or Ramsdale tipping Dalot’s goal bound shot, onto the post, or our failure to capitalise on the corners and other half chances we had.

As for picking the same players.
Just look at what’s available to him.
That starting lineup was the best we could muster and put out today.

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agree with all this. the line up was pretty good and at times we played pretty well and never deserved to lose that

darko · Apr 23, 2022

The VAR official was brutal today.

The_Midfielder · Apr 23, 2022

Banana Republic said:
Ralph cannot be blamed for Varane’s howler in the 3rd minute, or the dodgy penalty award for their 2nd.
He can’t be blamed for Bruno’s saved penalty kick, or Ramsdale tipping Dalot’s goal bound shot, onto the post, or our failure to capitalise on the corners and other half chances we had.

As for picking the same players.
Just look at what’s available to him.
That starting lineup was the best we could muster and put out today.

.

He can be blamed for a lot of things
Picking Telles ? Dalot?
Not motivating the players ?
Not trying to get the out of form players to play better ? Getting Rashford and ?Bruno to play better ?
Trying to play a different formation? If we don't have the legs to play a high line , why do we keep playing every week..?
Playing the same players again and again ?

Banana Republic · Apr 23, 2022

The_Midfielder said:
AWB is still our best fb, why does Dalot start? ……

Arsenal had very little attacking down their left hand side and Dalot made quite a few blocks and interceptions on that side.
Also, did you even notice that Dalot had 2 of our best efforts on goal.
The one in the first half hit the crossbar, but the 2nd one in the 2nd half was goalbound, until Ramsdale tipped it onto the near post.
Do you think AWB would have made the same contribution?

.

sparx99 · Apr 23, 2022

Ranchero said:
We lost 3-1. The rules of football state that the team that score the most goals wins. Therefore the better side is Arsenal. The better side is not defined by the number of chances, passes or possession stats. It is goals. And we only scored one, two fewer than the Gunners. They are two goals better than us. So the better side in this match was Arsenal. They get the three points. We get none. Because we weren't better.

Congratulations. You win the award for worlds biggest bore. I imagine you watch every game of football and simply declare the final scoreline a completely accurate representation of the game.

SNes · Apr 23, 2022

jem said:
Disagree. Mata hasn’t hit the heights Bruno has, but he’s never reached these lows.

Mata has been stealing a living here for years offers nothing

Hester_manc · Apr 23, 2022

The_Midfielder said:
A competent manager would have ma

Valverde ? Hell even Carrick would have made us top 4

True. We should have taken Carrick. But maybe the solution with a care taker was not the best idea - it is too easy for players to just give up and wait until the summer, where a new manager will come

Dargonk · Apr 23, 2022

Typical of us at the moment. Fail to actually capitalise when we are on top, and then gift them easy goals to kill us out from the contest.

The_Midfielder · Apr 23, 2022

Banana Republic said:
Arsenal had very little attacking down their left hand side and Dalot made quite a few blocks and interceptions on that side.
Also, did you even notice that Dalot had 2 of our best efforts on goal.
The one in the first half hit the crossbar, but the 2nd one in the 2nd half was goalbound, until Ramsdale tipped it onto the near post.
Do you think AWB would have made the same contribution?

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Dalot and contribution? Did he score ? Did he assist ? Then what is the use ?
Also why does he keep shooting ? He shoots like he is prime R Carlos?

Banana Republic · Apr 23, 2022

The_Midfielder said:
He can be blamed for a lot of things
Picking Telles ? Dalot?
Not motivating the players ?
Not trying to get the out of form players to play better ? Getting Rashford and ?Bruno to play better ?
Trying to play a different formation? If we don't have the legs to play a high line , why do we keep playing every week..?
Playing the same players again and again ?

Apart from AWB, there was no other FB choice.
Rashford isn’t out of form. He’s shit end of.

Picking the same players?
Hello! He made changes from the line up mid week, but look at the squad.
Who else does he pick to start?
Rashford?
Lingard?
Mata, who wouldn’t last for more than 45 minutes?
An untried youngster?
There is no useable depth in the squad or match winning quality on the bench.

darko · Apr 23, 2022

mitchmouse said:
it might have been that Ronnie wasn't at training when it was decided and pens were practised earlier in the week

That's laughable then. He's CR7. Surely he should be the PK taker.

jem · Apr 23, 2022

SNes said:
Mata has been stealing a living here for years offers nothing

He’s hardly played but when he has, he hasn’t put in a performance like Bruno did today.

The_Midfielder · Apr 23, 2022

Banana Republic said:
Apart from AWB, there was no other FB choice.
Rashford isn’t out of form. He’s shit end of.

Picking the same players?
Hello! He made changes from the line up mid week, but look at the squad.
Who else does he pick to start?
Rashford?
Lingard?
Mata, who wouldn’t last for more than 45 minutes?
An untried youngster, who might have been sent off if he repeated his cameo against Liverpool?
There is no useable depth in the squad or match winning quality on the bench.

If he knows we won't make top 4 play Hannibal?
Play a back 3 ..
Rashford is not shit.. he scored 20 last season.. he is mentally shot. .. same with Bruno .
When we get retirees to come and manage your team , this is what happens!!

Daydreamer · Apr 23, 2022

The consensus in the thread was that Utd were unlucky to be losing the in the 1st half. I don’t really get that seeing as we had more possession, shots on goal and the clearer cut chances.

United did then dominate the start of the 2nd half. But after Xhaka’s goal… there was nothing. I don’t watch a great deal of Utd games. Is it a regular occurrence to offer so little when chasing a match with 20+ mins to go? It was like a team playing 11 individuals by the end.

darko · Apr 23, 2022

sparx99 said:
I think Ralf was far too nice allowing Martial and Donny to leave in January with no replacements.

Cavani has been constantly injured, Pogba in and out and of course the Greenwood situation. Our team today had no quality on the bench.

We’d have been better keeping Martial and letting Lingard go for starters.

I'm sure Lingard was sellable. Now, he'll go for nothing. Bad business.

The_Midfielder · Apr 23, 2022

jem said:
He’s hardly played but when he has, he hasn’t put in a performance like Bruno did today.

Mata should have been sold when LVg was here ..
He is one of the most useless signings we ever did... him and Felliani in Moyes season..
He can play nowhere? We played him as a Rw in front of Valencia for so many seasons..

mitchmouse · Apr 23, 2022

darko said:
That's laughable then. He's CR7. Surely he should be the PK taker.

I don't think that's how it works - not that I disagree

Sparky Rhiwabon · Apr 23, 2022

Was Martin Keown on VAR?

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