Arsenal 3:2 Manchester United

BerryBerryShrew · Jan 18, 2023

Unam333 said:
Lot of pressure on both Fred and McTominay to deliver and perform on Sunday. You lose the midfield battle, you lose the game. I'll miss Sunday's game unfortunately, so fingers crossed for a positive result.

De Gea

Wan-Bissaka Varane Martinez Shaw

Fred McTominay Eriksen

Bruno Rashford

Martial

Are you.....Casemiro???

Remember the geese · Jan 18, 2023

I'd actually play Martinez in the Casemiro role.

De Gea
Malacia
Shaw
Varane
Wan Bissaka
Martinez
Fred
Eriksen
Rashford
Martial
Fernandes

Zoo · Jan 18, 2023

They always start really fast and are going to try and blitz us. If we can ride that out then we’re capable of getting a result.

Bwuk · Jan 18, 2023

I’d play Shaw at CDM. Won’t happen though.

De Gea
AWB - Varane - Martinez - Malacia
Eriksen - Shaw - Fred
Bruno - Martial - Rashford

Unam333 · Jan 18, 2023

Real Name said:
Fred, McTominay and Eriksen to fill in for Casemiro missing and maybe even that won't be enough.

It is enough to keep Arsenal at bay. Chasing, pressing, disrupting Arsenal attacks. Not confident we will dominate the midfield though.

Question is, will we outscore them? This Arsenal have goals in them.

BluesJr · Jan 18, 2023

Will need to try some crazy shit for this game. A surprise tactically might throw them off.

Unam333 · Jan 18, 2023

BerryBerryShrew said:
Are you.....Casemiro???

Nope. I'm just a regular Joe.

Casemiro and I will go to a pub together getting wasted though. *Bros 4 life*

AndyMUFC · Jan 18, 2023

De Gea
Wan Bissaka Varane Martinez Shaw
McTominay Eriksen Fred
Fernandes Martial Rashford

Would keep Shaw on the left to deal with Saka for this one I reckon. It’s gonna be a difficult one without Casemiro but need to counter attack again.

Dve · Jan 18, 2023

SirAnderson said:
Fred as a 10?
I shudder at the thought.

Yes, as a defensive move to help Fernandes press from front, not to play sexy passes. Eriksen to provide forward passes from deep.

fallengt · Jan 19, 2023

give title to Arsenal already

Dominos · Jan 19, 2023

I've lost all optimism for this game after tonight.

Football is often about momentum and we've just destroyed all of ours in one shit-show of a performance.

The players looked fatigued so we're probably going to look leggy at the weekend too, and Arsenal have had a full week's rest to prepare, they'll fancy their chances of running all over us. We played terribly, our in-form player we rely on in Rashford turned in an absolute shocker, Casemiro got himself suspended, and we destroyed our winning momentum with the most irritating of draws.

Only positive spin I could put on this is we'll get a lot more opportunities to counter attack against Arsenal which might suit us. Palace were leaving Rashford no space for us to transition but Arsenal play a much more risky game.

We had a 0-0 draw against Palace a couple of seasons ago in a dreadful game and we went to the Etihad a few days later and beat them 2-0 with a great performance so weird things can happen that don't follow the usual patterns of momentum. But I'm not feeling this one at all.

JustinC00 · Jan 19, 2023

Gonna say that we find out between this game and the reverse fixture ETH is Arteta's bogeyman.

ETH gonna cook something up

---------Martial-----Rashford
-----------------Bruno
------------Fred---Eriksen
---------------Martinez
Malacia--Shaw-Varane-AWB
-----------------DDG

RuudTom83 · Jan 19, 2023

Against City and Palace the first half performances compared to the second have been drastically .

Could be signs of fatigue catching up.

fallengt · Jan 19, 2023

Dunno why FA had to squeeze Palace between City-Arsenal matches. We lost momentum and Casemiro on top of it.
Oh well, back to good old McFred, hope they pull a miracle but seriously doubt it.

Frank Grimes · Jan 19, 2023

Think we could get a hiding on Sunday with Casemiro out. Arsenal are hitting every green light this season.

MUFC OK · Jan 19, 2023

The most common scoreline between these clubs at emirates in recent years: 3-1 Arsenal.

MUFC OK · Jan 19, 2023

fallengt said:
Dunno why FA had to squeeze Palace between City-Arsenal matches. We lost momentum and Casemiro on top of it.
Oh well, back to good old McFred, hope they pull a miracle but seriously doubt it.

Yeah but they apologised :lol:

We have every possible reason to be annoyed tonight - fixture rescheduled, outrageous officiating decision, best player suspended for the weekend, weekend opponent didn’t play despite also having a rearranged game to play from the same round, last min goal conceded, didn’t play well.

peridigm · Jan 19, 2023

Lads. It's Arsenal.

https://www.premierleague.com/match/74966

bosnian_red · Jan 19, 2023

Dominos said:
I've lost all optimism for this game after tonight.

Football is often about momentum and we've just destroyed all of ours in one shit-show of a performance.

The players looked fatigued so we're probably going to look leggy at the weekend too, and Arsenal have had a full week's rest to prepare, they'll fancy their chances of running all over us. We played terribly, our in-form player we rely on in Rashford turned in an absolute shocker, Casemiro got himself suspended, and we destroyed our winning momentum with the most irritating of draws.

Only positive spin I could put on this is we'll get a lot more opportunities to counter attack against Arsenal which might suit us. Palace were leaving Rashford no space for us to transition but Arsenal play a much more risky game.

We had a 0-0 draw against Palace a couple of seasons ago in a dreadful game and we went to the Etihad a few days later and beat them 2-0 with a great performance so weird things can happen that don't follow the usual patterns of momentum. But I'm not feeling this one at all.

I mean today wasn't a shit performance. We dominated the game in our third and the middle third, but had an off day in attack, and were then punished by a 35 yard free kick. It's one of those where you shrug and move on. Nobody should be of the opinion that we are at a point where we can win 15 games on the bounce... We were on 9 wins in a row. We were due a game where our luck wasn't in, and that happened.

Had we won, I would've felt less confident about the game at the Emirates, even with Casemiro. With a draw, I feel like United has a better chance to get something out of the game, even if no casemiro. There's a reason why it is so hard to sustain success, go on long winning runs... Consistency and winning 10 games on the bounce is much more difficult than bouncing back after a poor result.

Red in STL · Jan 19, 2023

fallengt said:
Dunno why FA had to squeeze Palace between City-Arsenal matches. We lost momentum and Casemiro on top of it.
Oh well, back to good old McFred, hope they pull a miracle but seriously doubt it.

The FA didn't squeeze anything in anywhere

Dominos · Jan 19, 2023

bosnian_red said:
I mean today wasn't a shit performance. We dominated the game in our third and the middle third, but had an off day in attack, and were then punished by a 35 yard free kick. It's one of those where you shrug and move on. Nobody should be of the opinion that we are at a point where we can win 15 games on the bounce... We were on 9 wins in a row. We were due a game where our luck wasn't in, and that happened.

Had we won, I would've felt less confident about the game at the Emirates, even with Casemiro. With a draw, I feel like United has a better chance to get something out of the game, even if no casemiro. There's a reason why it is so hard to sustain success, go on long winning runs... Consistency and winning 10 games on the bounce is much more difficult than bouncing back after a poor result.

It really was.

We're a top team playing a lower half team, we're always going to have more of the ball than them, it's not enough to have decent possession stats at the end of the game, you actually have to create chances. An off day in attack is having numerous clear chances and failing to convert them, a shit performance is where you don't even look like scoring. We barely created anything all night and the passing in the 2nd half was embarrassing at times. So many simple 5 or 10 yard passes misplaced, the cheap losses of possession cost us as it lead to Casemiro getting booked and conceding the free kick from which they scored their goal.

We have incredibly low standards if we're satisfied with that performance.

Ali Dia · Jan 19, 2023

We are more than capable of getting a draw or knicking a win against the run of play. It won’t be anything other than a smash and grab if we are to get anything out of it though.

Red in STL · Jan 19, 2023

Dominos said:
It really was.

We're a top team playing a lower half team, we're always going to have more of the ball than them, it's not enough to have decent possession stats at the end of the game, you actually have to create chances. An off day in attack is having numerous clear chances and failing to convert them, a shit performance is where you don't even look like scoring. We barely created anything all night and the passing in the 2nd half was embarrassing at times. So many simple 5 or 10 yard passes misplaced, the cheap losses of possession cost us as it lead to Casemiro getting booked and conceding the free kick from which they scored their goal.

We have incredibly low standards if we're satisfied with that performance.

Agreed - ask yourself, how many saves did Palace's goalkeeper have to make?

mav_9me · Jan 19, 2023

Frank Grimes said:
Think we could get a hiding on Sunday with Casemiro out. Arsenal are hitting every green light this season.

I expect us to lose but hiding? If this back four is fit, I don't think so.

mav_9me · Jan 19, 2023

Dominos said:
It really was.

We're a top team playing a lower half team, we're always going to have more of the ball than them, it's not enough to have decent possession stats at the end of the game, you actually have to create chances. An off day in attack is having numerous clear chances and failing to convert them, a shit performance is where you don't even look like scoring. We barely created anything all night and the passing in the 2nd half was embarrassing at times. So many simple 5 or 10 yard passes misplaced, the cheap losses of possession cost us as it lead to Casemiro getting booked and conceding the free kick from which they scored their goal.

We have incredibly low standards if we're satisfied with that performance.

Clearly though the first half was excellent and the 2nd half was very very bad.

ForeverRed1 · Jan 19, 2023

In a dream world I would love for us to be in a title race, however I do feel like it’s a lot of pressure on these players too soon. I get we’re man United and should be going for it.. but this is a team which has been broken for so long. we need to get back to playing with joy and finding our style.

we don’t have the squad depth to compete for the title just yet, we’re a couple of injuries away from really struggling. City will go up a couple of gears when the going gets tough. They can afford injuries and I just think they will overpower arsenal when it’s squeaky bum time!

I think we’ll finish third and get a cup. Maybe two.

Top 4, carabou cup and europa would be a very good season. If we can get past Barca first of course.

bosnian_red · Jan 19, 2023

Dominos said:
It really was.

We're a top team playing a lower half team, we're always going to have more of the ball than them, it's not enough to have decent possession stats at the end of the game, you actually have to create chances. An off day in attack is having numerous clear chances and failing to convert them, a shit performance is where you don't even look like scoring. We barely created anything all night and the passing in the 2nd half was embarrassing at times. So many simple 5 or 10 yard passes misplaced, the cheap losses of possession cost us as it lead to Casemiro getting booked and conceding the free kick from which they scored their goal.

We have incredibly low standards if we're satisfied with that performance.

It was a good performance from the first 2 thirds of the pitch. Yes, the attacking third was shit but that is not the entirety of a performance. We broke down counter attacks very well all game, we controlled the territory, we played the ball into good positions, and in terms of xG... We had 2.10 to their 0.55 (should be 1.7 I think as this site didn't zero out the Rashford offside). But that's still a +1.15 xG differential for the game, which is still good overall even if we had attackers on an off game. And it still included a ref with a pathetic non penalty call.

So you can be all dramatic about a 35 yard free kick making us drop points and extrapolate that to being shit all game, or just take it for what it is - a draw because nobody wins every game and sometimes you won't have the luck.

Red in STL · Jan 19, 2023

bosnian_red said:
It was a good performance from the first 2 thirds of the pitch. Yes, the attacking third was shit but that is not the entirety of a performance. We broke down counter attacks very well all game, we controlled the territory, we played the ball into good positions, and in terms of xG... We had 2.10 to their 0.55 (should be 1.7 I think as this site didn't zero out the Rashford offside). But that's still a +1.15 xG differential for the game, which is still good overall even if we had attackers on an off game. And it still included a ref with a pathetic non penalty call.

So you can be all dramatic about a 35 yard free kick making us drop points and extrapolate that to being shit all game, or just take it for what it is - a draw because nobody wins every game and sometimes you won't have the luck.

xG this and xG, good possession in 2/3rds of the pitch that means feck all, there's only 1 stat that matters, score more goals than the opposition!

bosnian_red · Jan 19, 2023

Red in STL said:
xG this and xG, good possession in 2/3rds of the pitch that means feck all, there's only 1 stat that matters, score more goals than the opposition!

Ok... Is not beating crystal palace after 9 straight wins a reason to panic, or think it is anything other than "alright fair enough we can't win every game"? Especially the way the game went. The principles of our game, our general play, the tactics... That was all good. Players have off days and you will have variance go against you sometimes and that's fine. Trying to read into a 35 yard free kick when 10 minutes prior the ref didn't call a stonewall pen for you is just dumb.

Frank Grimes · Jan 19, 2023

mav_9me said:
I expect us to lose but hiding? If this back four is fit, I don't think so.

Hope so, wouldn't surprise me though. Arsenal are good and Mctominay is a huge drop off.

Red in STL · Jan 19, 2023

bosnian_red said:
Ok... Is not beating crystal palace after 9 straight wins a reason to panic, or think it is anything other than "alright fair enough we can't win every game"? Especially the way the game went. The principles of our game, our general play, the tactics... That was all good. Players have off days and you will have variance go against you sometimes and that's fine. Trying to read into a 35 yard free kick when 10 minutes prior the ref didn't call a stonewall pen for you is just dumb.

I don't think it was a stonewall penalty for starters, I'd have been fairly pissed if it had been given at the other end

Over the whole game we didn't deserve to win, the performance second half was extremely poor, probably the worst half since the opening 2 PL games, the first half was OK but we still gave the ball away too much and too easily, De Gea had to make a worldie save before we scored

And the manager made some poor decisions today as well, don't get me wrong, he's the right man for the job but IMO he didn't get it right in this match

MUFC OK · Jan 19, 2023

Sounds bizarre perhaps but the obsessive figure that I think ETH is, this result might be the shot in the arm we need. Regardless of how disappointing tonight was, I feel there a lot more to come from this manager and this team.

2 pts dropped no doubt but let’s go for it on Sunday, the manager will have a plan and I definitely think we can get a result. As mad as it sounds, a draw wouldn’t be bad, even if we have title aspirations.

it’s both a positive and a negative (after tonight) that when this team goes for it, we can win games in a short space of time. We very nearly won after conceding tonight with that Casemiro chance. Let’s not forget the abject loss here with ETH in the stands last season, or the dull 0-0,the last time we were supposedly in a title race. Up the reds on Sunday.

bond19821982 · Jan 19, 2023

Red in STL said:
I don't think it was a stonewall penalty for starters, I'd have been fairly pissed if it had been given at the other end

Over the whole game we didn't deserve to win, the performance second half was extremely poor, probably the worst half since the opening 2 PL games, the first half was OK but we still gave the ball away too much and too easily, De Gea had to make a worldie save before we scored

And the manager made some poor decisions today as well, don't get me wrong, he's the right man for the job but IMO he didn't get it right in this match

If we were shit, Palace were shittier than us. So it works both ways .

Another day, the penalty is given and we win comfortably. This was only not given because it wasn't a clear and obvious error. If the Ref gave it first time, VAR won't rule it out.

Fine margins but that's how it works.

MUFC OK · Jan 19, 2023

Red in STL said:
I don't think it was a stonewall penalty for starters, I'd have been fairly pissed if it had been given at the other end

Over the whole game we didn't deserve to win, the performance second half was extremely poor, probably the worst half since the opening 2 PL games, the first half was OK but we still gave the ball away too much and too easily, De Gea had to make a worldie save before we scored

And the manager made some poor decisions today as well, don't get me wrong, he's the right man for the job but IMO he didn't get it right in this match

We’re watching a different game then. The first view, which is the one VAR chose to show, was inconclusive. The second view, from the side angle showed it was a clear pen.

That doesn’t excuse the fact we didn’t push for a second goal in the 2nd half and arguably, therefore didn’t deserve 3 pts but let’s get it straight at least.

Take the second half, De Gea made two worldly saves and yet their keeper didn’t get called into action. We rode our luck tonight and it didn’t work out.

Red in STL · Jan 19, 2023

bond19821982 said:
If we were shit, Palace were shittier than us. So it works both ways .

Another day, the penalty is given and we win comfortably. This was only not given because it wasn't a clear and obvious error. If the Ref gave it first time, VAR won't rule it out.

Fine margins but that's how it works.

Exactly right

bosnian_red · Jan 19, 2023

Red in STL said:
I don't think it was a stonewall penalty for starters, I'd have been fairly pissed if it had been given at the other end

Over the whole game we didn't deserve to win, the performance second half was extremely poor, probably the worst half since the opening 2 PL games, the first half was OK but we still gave the ball away too much and too easily, De Gea had to make a worldie save before we scored

And the manager made some poor decisions today as well, don't get me wrong, he's the right man for the job but IMO he didn't get it right in this match

I don't know how anyone sees that tackle and sees anything other than a blatant penalty, but anyway.

Deserving is always weird, but we definitely were the better team, created the better chances, controlled the game, had a bad refereeing decision go against us and conceded to a 35 yard last minute free kick. Call it what you want, but that's the reality. It's a shit happen scenario. Yes we gave the ball away too much, but even with that, they posed 0 threat to us all game. Yeah De Gea had a worldie save off a random outside of the box shot.

Ten hag, meh, not sure what else he could have done. His changes were fair enough. It was a "shit happens" game. You can't do anything to stop a team from scoring a goal of the season contender in the last minute. We could and should have scored earlier to end the game earlier, but also, we were on a 9 game winning run... We were due a game where we don't get the bounce of the ball. Thinking of it as anything more than that, is wrong IMO. Thinking of it as if Ten Hag got it wrong is also wrong. It's like blaming somebody for picking heads when the coin flipped tails. Sometimes things are out of your control as manager. Leaving Casemiro on was the right decision, as we didn't manage to score a 2nd, but it didn't work out because football is a large variance sport is what the story of today was.

MUFC OK · Jan 19, 2023

bosnian_red said:
I don't know how anyone sees that tackle and sees anything other than a blatant penalty, but anyway.

Deserving is always weird, but we definitely were the better team, created the better chances, controlled the game, had a bad refereeing decision go against us and conceded to a 35 yard last minute free kick. Call it what you want, but that's the reality. It's a shit happen scenario. Yes we gave the ball away too much, but even with that, they posed 0 threat to us all game. Yeah De Gea had a worldie save off a random outside of the box shot.

Ten hag, meh, not sure what else he could have done. His changes were fair enough. It was a "shit happens" game. You can't do anything to stop a team from scoring a goal of the season contender in the last minute. We could and should have scored earlier to end the game earlier, but also, we were on a 9 game winning run... We were due a game where we don't get the bounce of the ball. Thinking of it as anything more than that, is wrong IMO. Thinking of it as if Ten Hag got it wrong is also wrong. It's like blaming somebody for picking heads when the coin flipped tails. Sometimes things are out of your control as manager. Leaving Casemiro on was the right decision, as we didn't manage to score a 2nd, but it didn't work out because football is a large variance sport is what the story of today was.

So, nothing there was avoidable? The whole mentality in the 2nd half was wrong. I feel as though demons from last season/before are still there inevitably. But nonetheless, anyone should know that 1-0 is no lead away to teams like palace, even when seemingly in control, and therefore, strategy was wrong.

Another night we get the pen for 2-0 or the free kick never happens but we can’t deny it drastically affects our outlook. Lessons to be learned, and that includes ETH.

croadyman · Jan 19, 2023

Josh 76 said:
Weird, but seems less pressure now

Yeah point here definitely not enough,even a miracle win (won't happen) only closes gap to 5,bloody hell it could have been down to 3 with Casa but not to be.

croadyman · Jan 19, 2023

Siorac said:
Pack the midfield, park the bus, and try to shithouse our way to a 0-0 a la Newcastle.

Sad but that's pretty much our only chance to avoid a walloping.

Oh no that would have kept gap at 6 if we had held on tonight which is so depressing

MUFC OK · Jan 19, 2023

croadyman said:
Yeah point here definitely not enough,even a miracle win (won't happen) only closes gap to 5,bloody hell it could have been down to 3 with Casa but not to be.

Yeah of course, but it’s hardly curtains. We’ve barely reached the half way point of the season (not that I think that weighs in our favour). We’ve just put several wins together, we need to do the same again this season and we’ll be comfortably in top 4.

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