Manchester United 2:3 Galatasaray

RedRocket9908 · Oct 3, 2023

It would be unbelievabley foolish to give Altay Bayindir his first appearance tonight against a team who know him well so will know all his weaknesses, we should stick with Onana.

pocco · Oct 3, 2023

OrcaFat said:
Wouldn’t be surprised if they got a “no goofing around while the cameras are here, lads”. Besides, I saw a longer clip from the public training session and there were plenty of smiles. They can’t really win (until they literally start winning!).

Your efforts in trying to shut down any criticisms or negativity around ETH are applaudable, even if they do seem a bit desperate at times. It's just a shame you nailed your sail to the mast in the same way with Ole - do you not feel a sense of de ja vu?

garelo · Oct 3, 2023

Hope to see this tonight:

Onana
Linda-Varane-Maguire
Dalot-Case-Amrabat-Mount
Bruno
Hojlund-Rashford

Red00012 · Oct 3, 2023

philippexyz said:
Don't care about this game in particular, but still will watch as a long time United fan. All my interest is in how will/if the Glazer issue be resolved in recent future. This season is a write off, we won't be in UCL next year(we'll be lucky to be in Europa League the way we're playing and considering all the issues). ETH maybe gets the sack at the end of season, not sure.

Thanks for sharing

Statue of Limitations · Oct 3, 2023

Just win, can't be dealing with the dippers laughing at us if we join them in the Europa.
2-0, don't care how.

DRJosh · Oct 3, 2023

I was at Camp Nou when we won the CL in 1999 and never did I Imagine there would come a time, some 24 years later. where we’d be doubting our ability in getting a result in a home game against mid-tier European opposition. We’ve certainly nosedived as a club.

GledTheRed · Oct 3, 2023

Not looking forward to this as usual.

dcrompton · Oct 3, 2023

sglowrider said:
19y.o Big Willy Kambwala training with the 1st team yesterday:

Bigger calves than my uncle's and he's a cattle farmer

sglowrider · Oct 3, 2023

dcrompton said:
Bigger calves than my uncle's and he's a cattle farmer

Thats the first thing I noticed. At 19!

He's a unit.

always_hoping · Oct 3, 2023

RedRocket9908 said:
It would be unbelievabley foolish to give Altay Bayindir his first appearance tonight against a team who know him well so will know all his weaknesses, we should stick with Onana.

Evening Standard running that rumoured story that Bayindir will start tonight they are more miss than hit with their info but Old Trafford great for leaks nowadays and not only the roof.

Why didn't he start against Palace in the league cup I'd wonder?

miked99 · Oct 3, 2023

I feel like this could be one of those games where unfancied opposition turns up, plays at a higher technical level than expected and pulls off a shock but deserved 1-0 win.

On the other hand, maybe we'll win comfortably. But I'm not feeling too optimistic atm.

Jeffthered · Oct 3, 2023

miked99 said:
I feel like this could be one of those games where unfancied opposition turns up, plays at a higher technical level than expected and pulls off a shock but deserved 1-0 win.

On the other hand, maybe we'll win comfortably. But I'm not feeling too optimistic atm.

Galatasary have pedigree in Europe. This could be a v difficult game considering our current form.

V.O. · Oct 3, 2023

always_hoping said:
Evening Standard running that rumoured story that Bayindir will start tonight they are more miss than hit with their info but Old Trafford great for leaks nowadays and not only the roof.

Why didn't he start against Palace in the league cup I'd wonder?

My guess would be that Ten Hag wanted to show some faith in Onana after the Bayern game. Now he's got a few more games under his belt and was solid in those, he could give Bayindir a run out without it seeming like he's kneejerk dropping Onana.

OrcaFat · Oct 3, 2023

pocco said:
Your efforts in trying to shut down any criticisms or negativity around ETH are applaudable, even if they do seem a bit desperate at times. It's just a shame you nailed your sail to the mast in the same way with Ole - do you not feel a sense of de ja vu?

Ha! Yes I do.

croadyman · Oct 3, 2023

V.O. said:
My guess would be that Ten Hag wanted to show some faith in Onana after the Bayern game. Now he's got a few more games under his belt and was solid in those, he could give Bayindir a run out without it seeming like he's kneejerk dropping Onana.

True but the poster saying do we really want to play him against a team who know his weaknesses has a very valid point

Onerealunited · Oct 3, 2023

Altay will play today for serveral reasons but most importantly because he is playing a team from his home country and facing a team that is the biggest rival to the team he has played last 4 years. It would mean the world for him to be able to play this game as his first game and he will be top motivated

always_hoping · Oct 3, 2023

V.O. said:
My guess would be that Ten Hag wanted to show some faith in Onana after the Bayern game. Now he's got a few more games under his belt and was solid in those, he could give Bayindir a run out without it seeming like he's kneejerk dropping Onana.

That's a fair point.

I see one fan channel is trying to make a meal out of this story for clicks. "Onana dropped for crucial game"

In reality it would be rotation and it's a non knock out group cup game not a crucial game.

Pirlo'sBeard · Oct 3, 2023

always_hoping said:
That's a fair point.

I see one fan channel is trying to make a meal out of this story for clicks. "Onana dropped for crucial game"

In reality it would be rotation and it's a non knock out group cup game not a crucial game.

How is it not a crucial game?

It's a must win.

TMDaines · Oct 3, 2023

miked99 said:
I feel like this could be one of those games where unfancied opposition turns up, plays at a higher technical level than expected and pulls off a shock but deserved 1-0 win.

On the other hand, maybe we'll win comfortably. But I'm not feeling too optimistic atm.

Even if we lose, I find it hard to believe we won’t dominate the ball. The problem has been creating high quality chances though.

djembatheking · Oct 3, 2023

Difficult game tonight, Galatasary will know they have a great chance of getting something out of the game and if we struggle to score the crowd will get very nervy. Big test for Ten Hag.

OrcaFat · Oct 3, 2023

TMDaines said:
Even if we lose, I find it hard to believe we won’t dominate the ball. The problem has been creating high quality chances though.

And finishing the chances we do make.

NotoriousISSY · Oct 3, 2023

I don't know what line up I want to see, given the state of our defence...but one thing I don't want to see if Bruno, Mount and Rashford in the same line up.

All three, minus a volley against Burnley, have been really disappointing all season.

garelo · Oct 3, 2023

NotoriousISSY said:
I don't know what line up I want to see, given the state of our defence...but one thing I don't want to see if Bruno, Mount and Rashford in the same line up.

All three, minus a volley against Burnley, have been really disappointing all season.

on contrary i'd actually want to see them all start. this should be final test for them to play in the same line up against decent team at home.

OrcaFat · Oct 3, 2023

garelo said:
on contrary i'd actually want to see them all start. this should be final test for them to play in the same line up against decent team at home.

Yeah, I still think they’re all most likely in our best XI when in form. I wouldn’t mind Rashford being dropped for a game or two, see how he deals with it, as he’s not quite right at the moment. We have options as well now so, provided they are doing enough to justify it, I’d think of trying Garnacho or Martial.

Certainly got nothing against Bruno, Mount and Rashford playing together though.

garelo · Oct 3, 2023

OrcaFat said:
Yeah, I still think they’re all most likely in our best XI when in form. I wouldn’t mind Rashford being dropped for a game or two, see how he deals with it, as he’s not quite right at the moment. We have options as well now so, provided they are doing enough to justify it, I’d think of trying Garnacho or Martial.

Certainly got nothing against Bruno, Mount and Rashford playing together though.

yeah i dont think we spent 55m on Mount to sit on the bench, and we gave him the #7 shirt too :lol:

obviously the plan was to play them all together in the starting line up

TMDaines · Oct 3, 2023

OrcaFat said:
And finishing the chances we do make.

Maybe earlier on in the season or when you look at individual matches. Post the Spurs match though, our xG and goals scored are almost identical in all comps. The problem in recent weeks is not creating enough. We created roughly four xG against Burnley, Palace and Palace again combined and got four goals. It is very hard to win three matches though whilst only creating four goals worth of chances, even with average finishing.

That needs to be upped massively to consistently win matches. Throughout Ten Hag's reign we have won an unsustainable amount of matches by a single goal. We need to create more and ideally improve our finishing too, as that has been problematic too longer term.

JustinC00 · Oct 3, 2023

2-0 Galatasaray

OrcaFat · Oct 3, 2023

garelo said:
yeah i dont think we spent 55m on Mount to sit on the bench, and we gave him the #7 shirt too obviously the plan was to play them all together in the starting line up

Yeah, for as long as they’re justifying their place. I honestly don’t think EtH would think twice about leaving any of them out if the likes of Garnacho and Hannibal start putting in complete, highly productive performances (which could happen).

FerociousCorgis · Oct 3, 2023

RedRocket9908 said:
It would be unbelievabley foolish to give Altay Bayindir his first appearance tonight against a team who know him well so will know all his weaknesses, we should stick with Onana.

edit: just read some posts saying it was a rumor from Eth giving him a start. Man that would be so unbelievably stupid of him. The cup game wouldve been the start for him, not a must win UCL game.

DJ_21 · Oct 3, 2023

3-1 I’m predicting! Need a big performance here. Drop the under performers. Want to see Garnacho and Hannibal start.

roseguy64 · Oct 3, 2023

Jeffthered said:
This is a problem for ETH, and the club. Bruno needs to rest and maybe could benefit from some perspective from the sidelines.

He didn't play last midweek.

OrcaFat · Oct 3, 2023

TMDaines said:
Maybe earlier on in the season or when you look at individual matches. Post the Spurs match though, our xG and goals scored are almost identical in all comps. The problem in recent weeks is not creating enough. We created roughly four xG against Burnley, Palace and Palace again combined and got four goals. It is very hard to win three matches though whilst only creating four goals worth of chances, even with average finishing.

That needs to be upped massively to consistently win matches. Throughout Ten Hag's reign we have won an unsustainable amount of matches by a single goal. We need to create more and ideally improve our finishing too, as that has been problematic too longer term.

Yeah that’s fair comment.

In my opinion the finishing or, for want of a better expression, the execution in goal scoring areas (for example sometimes we are shooting when there is an easy pass for a tap in, sometimes we faff about when we should shoot) is more of a problem than the overall build up play (i.e. play that gets us into those goalscoring areas).

I can’t give you stats but, in my view, once you start taking the chances that you make, you start making more chances.

And, again, purely my interpretation of what I’m seeing (and not stats), we have too many players (on current form and ability) who under achieve on the xg and not enough players who over achieve xg.

Bottom line we have to score some bloody goals and then the whole business of creating and scoring will improve. I believe.

always_hoping · Oct 3, 2023

Pirlo'sBeard said:
How is it not a crucial game?

It's a must win.

Must wins are when you lose or draw any chance of progressing further is officially over.

Todd · Oct 3, 2023

dcrompton said:
Bigger calves than my uncle's and he's a cattle farmer

Hope Grealish doesn't see this picture, it might give him a complex

Jeffthered · Oct 3, 2023

NotoriousISSY said:
I don't know what line up I want to see, given the state of our defence...but one thing I don't want to see if Bruno, Mount and Rashford in the same line up.

All three, minus a volley against Burnley, have been really disappointing all season.

Think you have to give Mount a chance. He's hardly played, and he has been injured. But Bruno and Rashford, yes, for sure, need something different from them.

Crimson King · Oct 3, 2023

Jeffthered said:
Think you have to give Mount a chance. He's hardly played, and he has been injured. But Bruno and Rashford, yes, for sure, need something different from them.

Yeah I don't know why people keep lumping Mount in with the rest. Considering he'd only had 45 mins since his injury on Saturday, he was probably our most energetic midfielder. He really wasn't the issue against Palace.

TMDaines · Oct 3, 2023

OrcaFat said:
Yeah that’s fair comment.

In my opinion the finishing or, for want of a better expression, the execution in goal scoring areas (for example sometimes we are shooting when there is an easy pass for a tap in, sometimes we faff about when we should shoot) is more of a problem than the overall build up play (i.e. play that gets us into those goalscoring areas).

I can’t give you stats but, in my view, once you start taking the chances that you make, you start making more chances.

And, again, purely my interpretation of what I’m seeing (and not stats), we have too many players (on current form and ability) who under achieve on the xg and not enough players who over achieve xg.

Bottom line we have to score some bloody goals and then the whole business of creating and scoring will improve. I believe.

The team is too one dimensional. We have had one excellent threat, but once he has dropped out of form or found some negative variance, the results have dropped off too, because nobody else can offer goals in any sort of volume.

The football under ETH at its most effective was essentially “give it to Bruno who can hopefully find Rashford, who can run and put it in the net.” The load needs to be shared across the front three and the attacking midfielders need to contribute a lot more too. We’ve basically had six league goals from our main centre forwards (Martial, Weg and Højlund), ten from Antony, Sancho and Pellistri on the right, and seven from Bruno since the last of season. Casemiro can not be our second biggest threat from open play.

It’s got to evolve and quickly.

OrcaFat · Oct 3, 2023

Crimson King said:
Yeah I don't know why people keep lumping Mount in with the rest. Considering he'd only had 45 mins since his injury on Saturday, he was probably our most energetic midfielder. He really wasn't the issue against Palace.

My hunch is that people lumping on Mount really want to lump on EtH.

DJ_21 · Oct 3, 2023

RedRocket9908 said:
It would be unbelievabley foolish to give Altay Bayindir his first appearance tonight against a team who know him well so will know all his weaknesses, we should stick with Onana.

We probably will. ETH never uses 2nd keepers. Even in the caraboa last season it was always the number 1 keeper starting. Our previous managers use to play 2nd choice keepers.

DJ_21 · Oct 3, 2023

Crimson King said:
Yeah I don't know why people keep lumping Mount in with the rest. Considering he'd only had 45 mins since his injury on Saturday, he was probably our most energetic midfielder. He really wasn't the issue against Palace.

People have their favourites and they’ll just blame random players even if they did well. Mount was miles better than Bruno and Rashford. Bruno should be dropped tonight going off form and play Mount further forward with Hannibal and Casa behind.

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