Manchester United 0:2 Paris St Germain

Judas · Feb 12, 2019

mitchmouse said:
they are also the ones saying he was good tonight! he's a clown. I said it weeks ago but I won't mis him if he wants to leave. Sorry but his behaviour in the Jose business was unacceptable. You have to be as good as Keane to get away with that

Can't call people clowns and then make a post like that.

mitchmouse · Feb 12, 2019

BrianMcClair'sBarnet said:
Best thing for Ole and United to do is just take this result on the chin and learn from it.Focus on why it went wrong, because that's all they can do.
SAF said you shouldn't feel sorry for yourselves after a poor result.Now is the time to show character.
Ole was going to taste defeat sooner or later,especially with the big fixtures pilling up. Anyone thinking we would cruise through those games like we have done against the likes of Cardiff and Fulham are in for a healthy dose of reality of our situation.

but the real worry was the performance. we were very very poor

SteveW · Feb 12, 2019

OldSchoolManc said:
Just like he had no choice with their player who scored the first goal.
So much for a home referee.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s got some oil money in an offshore account

Kimpempe was lucky. But Young was too, arguably more so.

No point trying to blame the ref for this. We're a work in progress. PSG are excellent. It happens.

Schmeichel=God · Feb 12, 2019

Ban said:
Has anyone slapped ADM at least?

the chairs and hoardings certainly slapped him

mitchmouse · Feb 12, 2019

Judas said:
Can't call people clowns and then make a post like that.

but I did and why not?

Inigo Montoya · Feb 12, 2019

Janson said:
We will have to see what happens until the end of the season.

Exactly. Really we have to see how we bounce back from this against Chelsea next Monday

This is probably the best result from that point of view. A huge wake up call and he and the coaches have to learn from this

VP89 · Feb 12, 2019

Djemba-Djemba said:
Can you blame them?

Yes. Ole's in a game of this magnitude should be drowned out by home fans ASAP in my opinion.

Schmeichel=God · Feb 12, 2019

SteveW said:
Kimpempe was lucky. But Young was too, arguably more so.

No point trying to blame the ref for this. We're a work in progress. PSG are excellent. It happens.

certainly the calm way to look it and i agree.

yet in a perfect world i don't think Young's is really worth a second yellow, it just looks shocking, but that exact coming together happens all over the pitch throughout a game. Whereas Kimpembe's collection for me earns him another yellow in open play much more often than not.

glazed · Feb 12, 2019

I wouldn't take too much from this. They had better players, were more fortunate and had a generous referee.

Let's not suddenly decide we're awful just because we lost to one of the best teams in Europe.

Inigo Montoya · Feb 12, 2019

Garethw said:
I love Ole. I just don’t think he’s at the level we need right now.

Appointing Solskjaer will be the biggest risk for the Glazers since they took over (all managers post SAF have been either PL or European proven).

What Moyes? What did he prove? That he knew where Europe was?

ArjenIsM3 · Feb 12, 2019

Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
It's a forum mate, other opinions might exist.

Knob.

Oh sure you can have your opinion. But in my opinion, your opinion is stupid. How can you actually blame Shaw for Pogba getting a card he shouldn't have got in the first place? If anyone is to blame there it's either the ref for not seeing there wasn't anything malicious in that or Pogba for raising his leg high / not seeing Alves coming. All Shaw did was play a pass a bit too short.

Inigo Montoya · Feb 12, 2019

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glazed said:
I wouldn't take too much from this. They had better players, were more fortunate and had a generous referee.

Let's not suddenly decide we're awful just because we lost to one of the best teams in Europe.

But but this is the match day thread. No hysteria, knee jerk here

Red4Ever · Feb 12, 2019

Had a feeling this would happen when half the forum were predicting 2 and 3-0 home victories

Murder on Zidane's Floor · Feb 12, 2019

ArjenIsM3 said:
Oh sure you can have your opinion. But in my opinion, your opinion is stupid. How can you actually blame Shaw for Pogba getting a card he shouldn't have got in the first place? If anyone is to blame there it's either the ref for not seeing there wasn't anything malicious in that or Pogba for raising his leg high / not seeing Alves coming. All Shaw did was play a pass a bit too short.

Meaning what should have been a routine pass left Pogba having to over extend and compromise himself to retain possession at a vital point in the game. It's a schoolboy level pass and he cocked it up.

Schmeichel=God · Feb 12, 2019

Majima said:
I've got no explanation. The game hasn't been nasty at all really and look how many yellows the ref's gave out. I thought Cakir was bad but this ref is even worse.

One would hope that upgrading the quality of players allows you to at least get closer to a 50/50 shot at being victorious give or take lady luck. Unfortunately with English clubs in Europe it seems you need to have vastly superior players to overcome the distinct change in refereeing.

Schmeichel=God · Feb 12, 2019

Massive Spanner said:
Feck off.

well, we've all thought it at least once during our football watching lives.

Alves had pissed me off considering he shoved Lingard at the beginning. If Lingard goes down VAR get involved and yellow card time it is.

glazed · Feb 12, 2019

Inigo Montoya said:
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But but this is the match day thread. No hysteria, knee jerk here

Fine when it's Jose.

Ish · Feb 12, 2019

DomesticTadpole said:
I agree.

Yeah, feck DT. I don’t really want to blame the ref because our performance was dire (they were just better) but those big decisions change matches. We didn’t deserve to win but playing against 10 men for 35-40 minutes - the game would have been completely different.

nore1975 · Feb 12, 2019

While tonight's result is disappointing using it as a yardstick of Ole's managerial suitability for the job full time would be ridiculous. Domestically Ole has done fantastically well endeavouring to use his inherited resources to the best of his ability. PSG like United are one of the superpowers of club football in Europe. As such Ole now knows where he stands in terms of the ability of his best 11 v's a top team in Europe. There is no easy way to gauge this. Bear in mind that PSG were missing Neymar and Cavani two of the finest forwards in Europe. United were outclassed and remain defensively porous against quality opposition.
If Ole does get the job full-time then this may be a match where he identifies areas of the team that need strengthening to have United competing at the level it expects to. I think it he makes top 4 he deserves a crack at the job. People need to be realistic. He has inherited a squad cobbled together by 4 different managers at vast expense.
I think being brutally realistic only Pogba, Martial, Rashford, and De Gea and possibly Lindelof will be good enough to occupy a first 11 good enough to win the league or for building a team around long term.

SteveW · Feb 12, 2019

Schmeichel=God said:
certainly the calm way to look it and i agree.

yet in a perfect world i don't think Young's is really worth a second yellow, it just looks shocking, but that exact coming together happens all over the pitch throughout a game. Whereas Kimpembe's collection for me earns him another yellow in open play much more often than not.

Problem was it wasn't anywhere on the pitch. The ball was out of play the player was heading out over the line. It was a pretty cnutish thing to do in all honesty and could have hurt him badly. (not saying I didn't partly enjoy it) I 100% thought he would be gone after it.

Kimpempe did nothing to Rashford but really should have been gone for the tackle on Shaw when the ref bottled it and called it a dive. Shame Shaw didn't just take the contact instead of avoiding it. I hate this idea in football that if a player jumps out of the way of a bad challenge that refs don't give fouls. It's idiotic.

ArjenIsM3 · Feb 12, 2019

Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Meaning what should have been a routine pass left Pogba having to over extend and compromise himself to retain possession at a vital point in the game. It's a schoolboy level pass and he cocked it up.

It wasn't a schoolboy level pass, you can't play that pass too fast or nobody will control it. Has to be just right and it wasn't. Pogba didn't have to do anything though. If he'd had better awareness he would have seen Alves. Anyhow he just tried to shield the ball, no way did that warrant a card. Ref bottled it there.

DomesticTadpole · Feb 12, 2019

Ish said:
Yeah, feck DT. I don’t really want to blame the ref because our performance was dire (they were just better) but those big decisions change matches. We didn’t deserve to win but playing against 10 men for 35-40 minutes - the game would have been completely different.

Yes. If the ref had done his job properly it may have changed things, but they showed they are a good side. Don't know what we should do in that second leg.

Ish · Feb 12, 2019

DomesticTadpole said:
Yes. If the ref had done his job properly it may have changed things, but they showed they are a good side. Don't know what we should do in that second leg.

“Give the kids a run out” :lol:

joking.

Just play on the counter and play for professional pride, I’d guess.

Schmeichel=God · Feb 12, 2019

SteveW said:
Problem was it wasn't anywhere on the pitch. The ball was out of play the player was heading out over the line. It was a pretty cnutish thing to do in all honesty and could have hurt him badly. (not saying I didn't partly enjoy it) I 100% thought he would be gone after it.

Kimpempe did nothing to Rashford but really should have been gone for the tackle on Shaw when the ref bottled it and called it a dive. Shame Shaw didn't just take the contact instead of avoiding it. I hate this idea in football that if a player jumps out of the way of a bad challenge that refs don't give fouls. It's idiotic.

Me too. Leave your leg in to ensure contact > foul > sending off > upper hand for your team...all balanced with the risk of a leg break!

I think it definitely hurt him :lol:

Not going to lie, I would be nursing myself after a contact like that. Such a shame he gets to have the last laugh tonight. (Hopefully we can do a Barca and send them crying...although a man can dream)

The thing is by fairplay standards it was a cnutish thing as you say, but in that situation I think almost every player takes the 'get away with it' foul as the positioning was too good to ignore. I think Young was lucky it didn't look even worse. (Can you imagine Di Maria playing weekend league football?!)

Deep breath and on we go. Challenge for Ole to stay classy, to pick up the side, and to prove to the board one way or another which players are and are definitely not good enough to pick up the mantle, if the mantle is to be shaped according to Ole's vision.

calodo2003 · Feb 12, 2019

Thiim said:
In what fecking universe? Alves was going towards his own goal and there was not much in it.

Not sure if this is a wum or not.

Pogba caught Alves late high on the shin around the knee, ref had no choice.

calodo2003 · Feb 12, 2019

Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Tuchel with that bloody uniqlo jacket.

He has a very punch-able face, especially when he starts yelling & carrying on.

Murder on Zidane's Floor · Feb 12, 2019

calodo2003 said:
He has a very punch-able face, especially when he starts yelling & carrying on.

Looks like someone who never played football but just worked wonders on FM14 competition.

padzilla · Feb 12, 2019

Interesting to hear Schmiecel about De Gea. Critical of him never leaving his line and not commanding box to take pressure off defenders.

Billy Blaggs · Feb 12, 2019

Why do we suck in Europe?

choiboyx012 · Feb 12, 2019

Velvet Revolver said:
should have brought lukaku instead of Mata

This. We needed someone to win aerial duels and hold the ball on the right wing.

SteveW · Feb 12, 2019

Schmeichel=God said:
Me too. Leave your leg in to ensure contact > foul > sending off > upper hand for your team...all balanced with the risk of a leg break!

I think it definitely hurt him Not going to lie, I would be nursing myself after a contact like that. Such a shame he gets to have the last laugh tonight. (Hopefully we can do a Barca and send them crying...although a man can dream)

The thing is by fairplay standards it was a cnutish thing as you say, but in that situation I think almost every player takes the 'get away with it' foul as the positioning was too good to ignore. I think Young was lucky it didn't look even worse. (Can you imagine Di Maria playing weekend league football?!)

Deep breath and on we go. Challenge for Ole to stay classy, to pick up the side, and to prove to the board one way or another which players are and are definitely not good enough to pick up the mantle, if the mantle is to be shaped according to Ole's vision.

It's one of those things that makes me assume 90% of people in football are kind of thick. Avoid a lunge and get done for diving. As if having to dive out of the way doesn't disadvantage a player. Yet nobody even questions it???

Agreed on Ole. We definitely need to buy a few and move a few on. I would assume tonight has made this crystal clear to Ole and the board. With our team and the injuries I'm not going to attack Ole. I think we need to just give him the job and back him fully in the summer.

reddaz71 · Feb 12, 2019

Vadim said:
This is the sad truth I'm afraid and also the conclusion.

There's a reason why City and PSG look a million miles ahead of us and it's all down to one thing...

100 percent

RedDevil@84 · Feb 12, 2019

sunama said:
Yep.

He assisted both goals tonight. He's been terrific, but then he is a top class player. I saw what did for us, when he first arrived (at MUFC). He was electric, before LVG's ultra defensive brand of football, killed him.
He lacks guts...but he is super talented.

Agree

Garethw · Feb 12, 2019

Inigo Montoya said:
What Moyes? What did he prove? That he knew where Europe was?

I said PL proven mate. Moyes was very much PL proven, an absolute disaster for us, but PL Proven

Heinzesight · Feb 12, 2019

SteveW said:
Kimpempe was lucky. But Young was too, arguably more so.

No point trying to blame the ref for this. We're a work in progress. PSG are excellent. It happens.

You can’t compare a ref bottling a second yellow (twice) to Young nudging Di Maria...I’ve seen players barged down that slope shit loads of times over the years. Phil Jones loves a tumble into the advertising hoardings!

Heinzesight · Feb 12, 2019

choiboyx012 said:
This. We needed someone to win aerial duels and hold the ball on the right wing.

I’d have Mata in an aerial duel over Lukaku!

wolvored · Feb 12, 2019

No Idea For Nickname said:
He is not old!!! Only 45! ffs people.

wolvored · Feb 12, 2019

We need to spend a fortune to get anywhere near good enough to play these sort of teams, not renew everyone who is average at best contracts. This could dent our confidence now. The next 2 games are massive. The away game in paris may be a slaughter as well

Schmeichel=God · Feb 12, 2019

SteveW said:
It's one of those things that makes me assume 90% of people in football are kind of thick. Avoid a lunge and get done for diving. As if having to dive out of the way doesn't disadvantage a player. Yet nobody even questions it???

Agreed on Ole. We definitely need to buy a few and move a few on. I would assume tonight has made this crystal clear to Ole and the board. With our team and the injuries I'm not going to attack Ole. I think we need to just give him the job and back him fully in the summer.

I agree. Barring an absolute trainwreck in the coming fixtures I would happily take a medium term outlook and go with Ole.

A few 4th/3rd place finishes under him sit better with me than the hope of a comfortable 3rd/distant 2nd under the more experienced Poch. If possible let's keep it in the family and ensure the roots of the club grow on.

This being said though all rests upon the remainder of the season. No decision should be made early. Keep everyone hungry, allow evidence to come forth, and make the right decision.

SteveW · Feb 12, 2019

Heinzesight said:
You can’t compare a ref bottling a second yellow (twice) to Young nudging Di Maria...I’ve seen players barged down that slope shit loads of times over the years. Phil Jones loves a tumble into the advertising hoardings!

I'd forgot about the Shaw tackle. Thought Rashford dived but he should have definitely been booked for the Shaw tackle. Pathetic from the ref. I didn't want to give it so pretended it was a dive.

Young (as much as I enjoyed it) was cnutish and got away with it. The ball was gone, the player was already gone over the line. It was dangerous. As much as I enjoyed ADM getting a clatter off the boards there's no point in pretending he wasn't lucky. If one of their players had done that on a yellow the caf would have exploded.

SteveW · Feb 12, 2019

Schmeichel=God said:
I agree. Barring an absolute trainwreck in the coming fixtures I would happily take a medium term outlook and go with Ole.

A few 4th/3rd place finishes under him sit better with me than the hope of a comfortable 3rd/distant 2nd under the more experienced Poch. If possible let's keep it in the family and ensure the roots of the club grow on.

This being said though all rests upon the remainder of the season. No decision should be made early. Keep everyone hungry, allow evidence to come forth, and make the right decision.

I don't see why we couldn't challenge with a couple of good signings. Oleball will beat most teams in the PL.

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