Manchester United 0:1 West Bromwich Albion

SalfordRed1960 · May 2, 2015

legball said:
We win = Players in their right positions, etc.
We lose = naive manager, wrong tactics, bla, bla blah.
What is it ?

Neither.

We are not playing with the speed of 3 games ago. Players think the hard work is done so have gone on holiday already. They need a big kick up the arse.

darko · May 2, 2015

Missing Carrick wasn't the issue today. I'd say it was against Everton, but not today. A missed penalty. RVP let WBA run a muck before that. Never put the ball down while the opposition is fecking around. You dictate the terms. There's no reason to place it before they clear the box. Two players did that and I believe through him off enough.

Im red2 · May 2, 2015

Lewis.no.9 said:
yeah Im running for the barn after that pile of shite performance. Van Gaal has, over the course of an entire season, been horrendous. He isnt good enough.

Van Gaal is good enough. I hope you made those words tasty as you will be eating them soon enough. His aim for this season is to get us into the CL again. He will manage that, and after that he will make sure we keep improving.

Heinzesight · May 2, 2015

We have Nobody making clever runs. Nobody who could pick out a clever run. Nobody who can beat a man. That is why we are in free fall. Defend against us, you'll get a point guaranteed.

Valencia is solid but it's the same every single fecking time, yet it's all we seem to do. Or out to Young who just cuts in on his right every fecking attack. There's no surprising the opposition. We just stick to the same old shit.

Fully Fledged · May 2, 2015

legball said:
I think we were a bit unlucky today. Not saying we were fantastic, but on another day, we still could have won the game.

That has been said for the last 3 matches. we have failed to score in all of them. We have failed to look like scoring in all of them.

Sassy Colin · May 2, 2015

I think a lot of people have given everyone 1s in the ratings

DomesticTadpole · May 2, 2015

Moriarty said:
I agree. Rooney's best up top, not Fellaini. Van Persie clearly did not relish the deeper role. Herrera hasn't got a great range of passing. He's got a good engine and links play well but lacks Carrick's ability to unpick a defence like Albion had today. Can't believe we've pissed away 9 points and haven't scored a goal. Something needs to be done and quickly.

That's why I don't understand him playing him there. He is a lot better further up and we lost his threat.

Fully Fledged · May 2, 2015

Colin129 said:
I think a lot of people have given everyone 1s in the ratings

my score are .9 above average so It's not me who has under-marked players.

Butty19 · May 2, 2015

Red Katie said:
Just my gut feeling but we'll lose this.

You got the lottery numbers for tonight?

Moriarty · May 2, 2015

DomesticTadpole said:
That's why I don't understand him playing him there. He is a lot better further up and we lost his threat.

Yep. And him playing out of position had a knock-on effect on Mata too. Wasn't getting the ball anywhere near as often as he should have been.

legball · May 2, 2015

Fully Fledged said:
That has been said for the last 3 matches. we have failed to score in all of them. We have failed to look like scoring in all of them.

Except that today we DID look like scoring many times. We lost but the overreaction here is crazy, we missed a penalty ffs, made the GK work, how exactly did we not look to score today?

Fully Fledged · May 2, 2015

ghagua said:
You saw plan B, Fellaini up front with RvP and Rooney in midfield

That's not plan B, it's plan S H I & T all added together.

darko · May 2, 2015

Im red2 said:
Van Gaal is good enough. I hope you made those words tasty as you will be eating them soon enough. His aim for this season is to get us into the CL again. He will manage that, and after that he will make sure we keep improving.

Building is a process, but many people think you can snap your fingers and everything will be great. Yes, I have some issues, but there are also many good points to what he has done with this club. Not getting all three points today is highway robbery, but it happens. Funny thing was, that I said WBA were going to score off that free kick. One opportunity with a wicked deflection and they win.

darko · May 2, 2015

Colin129 said:
I think a lot of people have given everyone 1s in the ratings

It looks that way.

Fully Fledged · May 2, 2015

legball said:
Except that today we DID look like scoring many times. We lost but the overreaction here is crazy, we missed a penalty ffs, made the GK work, how exactly did we not look to score today?

Even the penalty didn't look like being scored it was a lack luster attempt at a penalty.

Jaapster · May 2, 2015

SalfordRed1960 said:
LVG should show all the players the full match and name and shame the ones who are under performing. Wrong attitude last week, and little brain today.

I cant agree more apart from the bold bits sell the F##kers

redevil2 · May 2, 2015

jojojo said:
Just awful. We got what we deserved.

Our players deserve a whole lot more if LvG had more strategy and game plan. He has no plan A or B. That's the most frustrating thing. Look at his post match interview.. He has no energy and speaking like an outsider not as a manager of Untied who has shockingly lost a game at home to a lowly team. I will have Giggsy in charge like last season and we can see more energy coming from the players. Disgusting to say the least.

redevil2 · May 2, 2015

SalfordRed1960 said:
LVG should show all the players the full match and name and shame the ones who are under performing. Wrong attitude last week, and little brain today.

LvG should apologise to all players and fans how he wasn't able to motivate players to play their best. When it happened, we will start to win.

RedDevil@84 · May 2, 2015

Thats 3 in a row... Well done

Shark · May 2, 2015

The players are a disgrace. That is all.

grahamo · May 2, 2015

Absolute shite! I wonder will any of them feel guilty when they collect their wages this week? Another 90 mins of passing it sideways. So depressing. When is the last time we went 3 games without scoring? Probably not happened since Sexton was manager!

SalfordRed1960 · May 2, 2015

redevil2 said:
LvG should apologise to all players and fans how he wasn't able to motivate players to play their best. When it happened, we will start to win.

Not sure I agree with that.

I am in Rooney bashing mood at the moment, so using him as an example (particularly when he is captain) strolling around and not giving a shit for the last 3 games is due to him. LVG made it pretty obvious that at Everton the guys were not in the right frame of mind. So you would hope the captain would take some responsibility and lead by example. Didn't happen.

Mustafa Ahmed · May 2, 2015

Smalling and Young, genuinely good.
RvP and De Gea, okay.
Everyone else, bad.
Di Maria, absolute gash.

SqueakyWeasel · May 2, 2015

Like my old confederate fort … TEMPO
God I miss them both!

minoo-utd · May 2, 2015

We need 4 points from 3 matches can we manage that ffs?

redevil2 · May 2, 2015

manichester said:
Is it the managers fault we miss a penalty and a free header in front of goal some of our players are just not up to it.

Of course it's the managers fault! here's why:

1. playing at home having 80% possession and 26 attempts and still losing to WBA.. Our players have forgotten to score under LvG. Of course it's his fault. How come our players played their worst under LvG? The manager has zero energy. In his post match interview he spoke like an outsider observing from a distance, having no emotion to show his anger or disappointment or pinpointing what's going wrong. Why??

2. The decision of who's to take penalty should have been made well in advance in the dressing room. It's not RvP's fault the goalie made a superb save (and his trademark shot was again brilliantly saved.) The fact that we needed that penalty to get a draw is pathetic enough. The problem goes beyond the level of players ability and capability. They were asked to play with LvG philosophy and had 80%possession which had obviously meant feck all when we didn't score. Still week in week out we were doing the same thing without a change of strategy. Not players fault.

3. When you said some of the players are not up to it, it's more to do with their mindset and confidence, not their capability. We are playing for top 4 which should have been a piece of cake but yet we struggled like a mid table team hoping to play better as players seem to not know how to play to win any more.

4. We lack a leader on the pitch and we don't have a leader in Van Gaal judging by how our players are doing. We always saw (and we know he did it behind the scene) how sir Alex has so much energy which was transferred to his players, and we saw none in LvG. I don't buy the suggestion that LvG has done all he needed behind the scene so he did not need to go to the to the touchline. It's nonsense,

Walters_19_MuFc · May 2, 2015

Chelsea - No Carrick
Everton - No Carrick
West Brom - No Carrick

grahamo · May 2, 2015

grahamo said:
Absolute shite! I wonder will any of them feel guilty when they collect their wages this week? Another 90 mins of passing it sideways. So depressing. When is the last time we went 3 games without scoring? Probably not happened since Sexton was manager![/QUOTEjust checked. It was 1989

DomesticTadpole · May 2, 2015

Shark said:
The players are a disgrace. That is all.

So the manager doesn't take any blame for again not playing players in their best positions?

redevil2 · May 2, 2015

SalfordRed1960 said:
Not sure I agree with that.

I am in Rooney bashing mood at the moment, so using him as an example (particularly when he is captain) strolling around and not giving a shit for the last 3 games is due to him. LVG made it pretty obvious that at Everton the guys were not in the right frame of mind. So you would hope the captain would take some responsibility and lead by example. Didn't happen.

I agree with what you said about Rooney. But a good manager would have done or said something about it having noticed what happened to his captain. You can kind of reading between the lines Van Gaal was not prepared to do it to Rooney otherwise he would have been more motivated and galvanised his team to play to win. His decision to not take the penalty leaving it to RvP showed that hes lacking in confidence or not knowing how to win any more. I am sorry to say, the players are not motivated not because they had no desire to win but they were afraid of making mistakes. Such exhibition of the lack of confidence in our players is so sad to see. The buck has to stop somewhere and its not the players alone. A leader (van Gaal) needs to address problems as he sees them instead of leaving players to their own devices. His philosophy has not been working and the players were very confused. They had possession but they forgot how to win how to play like United.

Its very traumatic to see we had 80% possession and 26 attempts and yet to lose at home to such a team. Same in the Chelsea game and same in the Everton game. The lack of confidence and desire are for all to see but its not due to the players' own shortcomings. It's the manager's strategy and the lack of that is the main reason. LvG needs to change and act fast.

Mr.Kaya · May 2, 2015

Walters_19_MuFc said:
Chelsea - No Carrick
Everton - No Carrick
West Brom - No Carrick

That just tells us how important Carrick is for us, but we can't really rely that much on 1 player...We have to adapt much better then we've done so far, cause the 4th spot is still wide open now when we've wasted our chances to finish it up.

Parry Gallister · May 3, 2015

Ouch. Didn't think RVP had too bad a game. That said, didn't think our movement in their box was good enough, never really managed to create space and crossing can only go so far.

Sean_RedDevil · May 3, 2015

Mustafa Ahmed said:
Not my preferred line-up, but Blackett over Young at LB? Any specific reason?

1) Blackett is a much better left-back option than Young.

2) But the "specific reason" was that Blackett as LB would have meant that Blind would have played as defensive midfielder (I'm no big fan of him in that position but he's better there than Herrera) and Rooney & Herrera would have played in their best position too.

ghagua · May 3, 2015

Fully Fledged said:
That's not plan B, it's plan S H I & T all added together.

Yea i know.

Parry Gallister · May 3, 2015

Sean_RedDevil said:
1) Blackett is a much better left-back option than Young.

2) But the "specific reason" was that Blackett as LB would have meant that Blind would have played as defensive midfielder (I'm no big fan of him in that position but he's better there than Herrera) and Rooney & Herrera would have played in their best position too.

Point 2 is what I agree with - we've controlled the tempo and the ball in the last couple of games but been mugged on the counter continuously because our defence isn't being properly screened. I really like Herrera, but he isn't a DM, if he absolutely has to play there he needs a partner.

Born2Lose · May 3, 2015

Raw said:
Get Carrick back ASAP.

That really is the truth of it, we need a REAL midfielder in the team instead of Rooney or Blind trying to play a position that they aren't great at playing.. Imagine how good we could be if we actually had 2 quality midfielders in the team.

For the amount of money spent, it's shocking that we have so many players playing in the wrong positions still. We haven't had a first choice (dependable) right-back since Gary Neville last played for us in 2010.. it's ridiculous.

It's not rocket science, look at Mourinho last season.. needed a striker and a quality midfielder so he goes out and signs Fabregas and Costa with Remy as a backup, and this season wins the league.

DomesticTadpole · May 3, 2015

Parry Gallister said:
Point 2 is what I agree with - we've controlled the tempo and the ball in the last couple of games but been mugged on the counter continuously because our defence isn't being properly screened. I really like Herrera, but he isn't a DM, if he absolutely has to play there he needs a partner.

As you say it might be better if Ander has to play there, then have Blind with him. Find another option for LB and just have either Rooney or RvP up front.

Adisa · May 3, 2015

Nearly 24 hours gap free the game and I'm not feeling any better.

ice-bionic red · May 3, 2015

Where are you Carrick!!

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