Manchester United 1:1 West Ham United

Walters_19_MuFc · Nov 27, 2016

Scholesy said:
I do not care, he is the better player than Lingard

This is a massive problem in our club, we don't pick our best players and pick Championship players like Lingard

Mourinho does, and the ultimate decision is down to him.

top1whoisman · Nov 27, 2016

Red Devil 26 said:
Martial may be no Messi, but I agree with the point you let your more talented players play their way in to form. A firing Martial could be pivotal to our season.

Would you say he hasn't had opportunities to play his way into form?

Scholesy · Nov 27, 2016

Marcelinho87 said:
Are you saying that those players DID NOT contribute??

I didn't say they were the sole reason but I reckon they had a large input and allowed the freedoms our more creative players had.

They were not the reason we won trophies. How did Barca win so many trophies with no "water carrier" players?

Walters_19_MuFc · Nov 27, 2016

Scholesy said:
Would you start an out of form Messi?!

Players like Messi are very rarely out of form, hence why they're are world class. Consistency is the key. Martial has been out of form since the start of the season.

Marcelinho87 · Nov 27, 2016

Ijazz17 said:
I agree with the notion that the better players should start our PL game. This is the sort of game where Mkhi and Martial can play their way into some degree of form.

It is also the game where once again they have to be carried and a lapse of concentration or bit of poor play by them results in us conceding.

Fine lines.

devil in me · Nov 27, 2016

Im confident today. I think we are due battering someone in the league and have a good feeling this afto. West ham are shite, 4 nil.

Lawman · Nov 27, 2016

top1whoisman said:
Would you say he hasn't had opportunities to play his way into form?

If it was for someone like Mykytarin or Rashford I'd agree but Lingard is capable of his level imho.

Gasolin · Nov 27, 2016

Line up in 45mn right?

Scholesy · Nov 27, 2016

top1whoisman said:
Is Messi also "some academy player" as he came from Barca's own academy? For the record Lingard has scored 3 goals and assisted 2 in 549 minutes. Martial 2 goals, 2 assists in 715 minutes. He should produce better performances to keep out the Lingard and the likes. As for your lack of appreciation of our own full international academy player who always gives his all...

The stats do not mean anything as they are very close. Have you seen Martial's dribbling? Its insanely good, that is what I want to see for United, not Lingard who is just average.

Give Martial a run of games and watch him grow. He is our most talented attacker by a distance.

Red_toad · Nov 27, 2016

Scholesy said:
Yes, just like Barca do and Madrid. You don't see them dropping out of form Bale for some academy player

Martial isn't Bale either. Our genuine world class or as near as damn it play when fit.
When Maryial proves himself as unstoppable he'll play just about every game.
Jeez usual caf pre match drama going on, you'd think we'd been shite over the last few games....

Scholesy · Nov 27, 2016

Mciahel Goodman said:
Martial has been crap bar that goal. He may be more talented than Lingard but it counts for nothing if he's playing terrible.

If Bale was playing terrible, would you start Lingard ahead of him?

Martial has been ok, not terrible.

Marcelinho87 · Nov 27, 2016

Scholesy said:
The stats do not mean anything as they are very close. Have you seen Martial's dribbling? Its insanely good, that is what I want to see for United, not Lingard who is just average.

Give Martial a run of games and watch him grow. He is our most talented attacker by a distance.

Based on what? One good season? He could well go on to be a 1 season wonder as many players before him have done.

Scholesy · Nov 27, 2016

Red_toad said:
Martial isn't Bale either. Our genuine world class or as near as damn it play when fit.
When Maryial proves himself as unstoppable he'll play just about every game.
Jeez usual caf pre match drama going on, you'd think we'd been shite over the last few games....

Last season, he was as good as Bale.

3KDré · Nov 27, 2016

Scholesy said:
Last season, he was as good as Bale.

No he wasn't. In the middle part of the season he was playing poorly due to fatigue.

Scholesy · Nov 27, 2016

Marcelinho87 said:
Based on what? One good season? He could well go on to be a 1 season wonder as many players before him have done.

And what has Lingard done to prove he is better than Martial?

Norris · Nov 27, 2016

Marcelinho87 said:
It is also the game where once again they have to be carried and a lapse of concentration or bit of poor play by them results in us conceding.

Fine lines.

But if you don't give them a chance in such games, when do you give it ? You can't play them in the high profile games, limiting their appearances to 10-15 min cameos or a cup run. That's not how you develop young talent (I mean Martial, not Mkhi).

top1whoisman · Nov 27, 2016

Lawman said:
If it was for someone like Mykytarin or Rashford I'd agree but Lingard is capable of his level imho.

Well Jesse has produced quite a lot of good performances, three goals and assists. So more in less minutes than Martial. Also I'd say he's contributed more into our team play.

Red Devil 26 · Nov 27, 2016

top1whoisman said:
Would you say he hasn't had opportunities to play his way into form?

I could be wrong as I don't have the appearance stats to hand, but it seems to me that if Martial has a poor game, he's typically hooked off during the game and doesn't start the following one. Fair enough if the players waiting in the wings have the same level of ability as him, but I see no reason why someone as limited as Lingard should start ahead of him in the PL. People may argue he's been better this season, but his output in the league hasn't been great either and he should never be a starter IMO for clubs with top 4/title winning aspirations.

Scholesy · Nov 27, 2016

Walters_19_MuFc said:
Mourinho does, and the ultimate decision is down to him.

God help us, as he has already left us 11 points behind

DWelbz19 · Nov 27, 2016

Gasolin said:
Line up in 45mn right?

Yup. Always an hour before whatever time kick-off is.

top1whoisman · Nov 27, 2016

Scholesy said:
The stats do not mean anything as they are very close. Have you seen Martial's dribbling? Its insanely good, that is what I want to see for United, not Lingard who is just average.

Give Martial a run of games and watch him grow. He is our most talented attacker by a distance.

I have seen Martial's dribbling, yes. Very good at his best. Have you seen Lingard's off the ball movement? Creates a lot for him and the team.

top1whoisman · Nov 27, 2016

Red Devil 26 said:
I could be wrong as I don't have the appearance stats to hand, but it seems to me that if Martial has a poor game, he's typically hooked off during the game and doesn't start the following one. Fair enough if the players waiting in the wings have the same level of ability as him, but I see no reason why someone as limited as Lingard should start ahead of him in the PL. People may argue he's been better this season, but his output in the league hasn't been great either and he should never be a starter IMO for clubs with top 4/title winning aspirations.

Well if you don't rate Lingard or what he contributes, let's then peacefully disagree.

Scholesy · Nov 27, 2016

top1whoisman said:
I have seen Martial's dribbling, yes. Very good at his best. Have you seen Lingard's off the ball movement? Creates a lot for him and the team.

His movement is not bad...but when I see him on the team sheet, it is depressing.
I do not think Lingard is a terrible player but he is not good enough to be starting for the self proclaimed biggest club in world

antsmithmk · Nov 27, 2016

Is this not on TV?

top1whoisman · Nov 27, 2016

Scholesy said:
His movement is not bad...but when I see him on the team sheet, it is depressing.
I do not think Lingard is a terrible player but he is not good enough to be starting for the self proclaimed biggest club in world

Now that is a totally different argument compared to your earlier ”Championship level”… I also think, and hope that Lingard will be a good squaddie for the next few years for us.

SirMattBugsby · Nov 27, 2016

Scholesy said:
If Bale was playing terrible, would you start Lingard ahead of him?

Martial has been ok, not terrible.

The problem, the way I see it, is Martial and Pogba together on the left. Martial has shown neither the desire nor the aptitude to cover for Pogba defensively. Not that I blame him: he is, after all, a forward.

So, in Mourinho's system, Martial lies behind Mkhi, Rashford, Lingard, maybe even Young in the pecking order. He'd be better off targeting the striker spot. Ironically, that's where the team too could benefit from his presence.

Ronaldo's Mum Eh? · Nov 27, 2016

Rumours that Miki starts?

Irrational. · Nov 27, 2016

Scholesy said:
They were not the reason we won trophies. How did Barca win so many trophies with no "water carrier" players?

You must've been devastated to see water-carrier Lingard score the winner in the FA Cup final last season.

DomesticTadpole · Nov 27, 2016

Early team news
Does indeed seem Carrick hasn’t made it and Schweinsteiger will be on the bench. Doesn’t look there’s any Rooney or Mkhitaryan in the starting XI, either, but you would expect both to be on the bench.

Scholesy · Nov 27, 2016

Shubham Ahuja said:
The problem, the way I see it, is Martial and Pogba together on the left. Martial has shown neither the desire nor the aptitude to cover for Pogba defensively. Not that I blame him: he is, after all, a forward.

So, in Mourinho's system, Martial lies behind Mkhi, Rashford, Lingard, maybe even Young in the pecking order. He'd be better off targeting the striker spot. Ironically, that's where the team too could benefit from his presence.

I would have no hard feelings if Martial went to join Barca or Madrid. We are just wasting his career.

Scholesy · Nov 27, 2016

Irrational. said:
You must've been devastated to see water-carrier Lingard score the winner in the FA Cup final last season.

Well we would not have been there if it wasn't for Martial's late winner vs Everton in the semi final.
Even John O'Shea scored winner at Anfield once, it doesn't mean he was an average player (better than Lingard though)

SirMattBugsby · Nov 27, 2016

JPRouve said:
So many words to say "we haven't got a clue".

My thoughts exactly. Pretty soon there will be a conspiracy theory stating Mou is rotating his squad to weed out the mole..

DomesticTadpole · Nov 27, 2016

Tobi Schweinsteiger in Manchester
We are hearing that Bastian’s brother, Tobi Schweinsteiger, is at Old Trafford.

Adisa · Nov 27, 2016

Rooney's days as a XI play are really over, if he can't get in the XI despite his encouraging form.

Devil may care · Nov 27, 2016

DomesticTadpole said:
Early team news
Does indeed seem Carrick hasn’t made it and Schweinsteiger will be on the bench. Doesn’t look there’s any Rooney or Mkhitaryan in the starting XI, either, but you would expect both to be on the bench.

That's weird, I guess Lingard and Rashford are going to start, personally I'd have used them on Wednesday.

Scholesy · Nov 27, 2016

Adisa said:
Rooney's days as a XI play are really over, if he can't get in the XI despite his encouraging form.

Good

DomesticTadpole · Nov 27, 2016

Devil may care said:
That's weird, I guess Lingard and Rashford are going to start, personally I'd have used them on Wednesday.

Just hope he isn't going to take too many risks.

MyOnlySolskjaer · Nov 27, 2016

antsmithmk said:
Is this not on TV?

Sky are showing Southampton vs Everton.

bosnian_red · Nov 27, 2016

Will be annoyed if Mkhitaryan isn't starting

JinnerJamie · Nov 27, 2016

As long as my Mata plays, I'm happy.

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