Manchester United 1:0 West Ham United

glazed · Mar 14, 2021

There's no point in trying to stretch them out of shape if you can't be quick on the attack.

Jeffthered · Mar 14, 2021

Hoof The Ball said:
Who could criticise West Ham for playing like this?

It's been proven demonstrably and without doubt that teams that sit behind the ball, regardless of quality, have a better chance of beating us than if they set up to attack us.

Moyes has to set his side out to win. The best way to beat us is to sit deep and counter............because it's more effective than any other method versus us.

Nonsense. We are not playing well, have little consistency. I thought West Ham may give us problems, but good old Moyes! Outhinking himself...! West Ham pose no threat at all. I expect us to win comfortably.

These teams who just sit back, what type of 'football' is that? I can't stand it... it's rubbish. Utter rubbish.

Dinghy · Mar 14, 2021

To be expected when you've got players like AWB, James, McT, Fred++ to create openings in tight spaces. That right side of ours is an absolute fecking joke.

Judas · Mar 14, 2021

Anything can happen. If we had a bit more on the bench I'd fancy our chances more, but we don't. West Ham could easily nick it, but I think we'll break through eventually.

RashyForPM · Mar 14, 2021

Wait where’s the moaning coming from today? We’ve been pretty good! We just need to score first.

Hugh Jass · Mar 14, 2021

Greenwood and Shaw have been really good.

Need more movement up top.

90 + 5min · Mar 14, 2021

arnie_ni said:
I'd effectively be playing two the back. Shaw and James high and wide. Rash amad close to Greenwood. Bruno in the hole.

Fred and mct have to be awake to the counter.

Even Williams who is better attacking that awb.

I’m not giving Bissaka any criticism. He is what he is. But right now, with us totally controling game a change to Diallo could put more pressure. James is very good defending so I don’t think We would Lose anything by making that sub.

dal · Mar 14, 2021

We need to get the ball to Greenwood in and around the box.

We are looking for shaw a lot, Maguire and Lindelof are trying to draw the play out to the right hand side, shifting there defence and then passing it to shaw in more space.

We need to do this more often.

Heinzesight · Mar 14, 2021

vanrooney said:
really wondered what would be the general opinion in here after this half. i am not surprised but what the hell do people think how football works? west ham with 10 men behind the ball is not easy to play against. we had all of the ball and 2-3 good chances with smooth interplay and could and maybe should have scored already (rashys header should have been at least on goal, greenwoods shot was superbly saved).

RashyForPM said:
I think we’ve been pretty good. Completely locking them in their half, something the likes of City, Leicester and Spurs haven’t been able to do this season. Passing is crisp and there are some visible patterns of play, aside from when it gets to AWB. Chance conversion has been an issue as usual though. Rashford missed a sitter and Mason was extremely unlucky. Keeper pulled off a genuinely amazing save to deny him. West Ham have come for a 0-0, no doubt about that. 5 defenders and 3 holding midfielders

Need to take a chance in the 2nd half and get the opening goal. We should be fine for the rest of the game if we do so. Mason looking sharp, definitely MOTM so far, hope he (or anyone in red today!) scores.

Totally agree. Confident WH won’t keep this defensive concentration as they tire.

bosnian_red · Mar 14, 2021

Would put Amad on for James at some point. Loads of possession, a set defence... suits him more than James.

Tom Cato · Mar 14, 2021

Jackal981 said:
Cause hail our great manager

Because West Ham are sitting 5th in the Premier League and have been pretty eager to attack this season. Now all West Ham are doing is playing "Draw a perfect heatmap in our 16m box".

But just to pile on, Daniel James has been in very good form recently contrary to popular hipster belief here and has done the unthinkable of actually deserving a spot in the lineup.

Hughie77 · Mar 14, 2021

More balls in behind more runs in behind, even if ball doesnt come it should pull some players out from the middle. Need more of that, but it has show we dont do it enough. Tough half coming up, again. God forbid they get 1 from a set piece then it's going to get even harder. Come on lads .

arnie_ni · Mar 14, 2021

#07 said:
He really doesn't. Neither him or McTominay are good enough with the ball. So often look panicked and choose the easy way out.

It's amazing what a through ball can do

always_hoping · Mar 14, 2021

Djemba-Djemba said:
West Ham have been Wolves levels of negative.

Level above that. Wolves don't play all bar 1 forward in defence for a full half and make an effort to create they own chances.

Martial'sEmergingSmile · Mar 14, 2021

Bruno Fernandes: 89% pass accuracy, 3 Key Passes, 2 Big Chances created, 100% dribbles completed, 1 tackle, 1 interception, 8 ball recoveries.

Rashford and Greenwood (who has been very good otherwise) have combined for 0 tackles, 0 interceptions. Shockingly, Rashford has 0 (ZERO) pressures and 0 ball recoveries on top of that - which is almost hard to do.

Our 'press' is so disorganised. It's literally Bruno doing it by himself, with flashes of Dan James. In matches like this, high pressing is exactly how City put drop-back teams to the sword.

charlenefan · Mar 14, 2021

I did think it before the game but maybe a 352 would have been the way to go today, creating an overload on the left with Telles/Shaw/Rashford

Could still do it in the 2nd half taking AWB off and putting James at RWB

KennyBurner · Mar 14, 2021

VP89 said:
Ole has done his job in getting the team proactively pressing but the quality isn't there. I feel we are more than just a Haaland away from having a full fearful attack.

Switch out haaland for greenwood and I promise we are still 0-0 at halftime. The negative effect of James and AWB playing on the same wing is too strong. James being rightfooted also doesn't help with AWBs regular overlaps when greenwood is there.

This type of games always produce very few chances and we have already scuffed 2. Prepare for a scoreless draw.

Alemar · Mar 14, 2021

Oranges038 said:
He'd never, his positioning and awareness isn't good enough.

And heading

Adam-Utd · Mar 14, 2021

dal said:
We need to get the ball to Greenwood in and around the box.

We are looking for shaw a lot, Maguire and Lindelof are trying to draw the play out to the right hand side, shifting there defence and then passing it to shaw in more space.

We need to do this more often.

You have to start wide then play it into the box. Going straight from the centre to his feet and he’ll just get mown over like last time.

Bruno and mctominay need to be getting into the box more often too.

mitchmouse · Mar 14, 2021

christinaa said:
And this half showed everyone where our problem lies:
We don't have wingers who take on full backs and get to the defensive line and cross from there.

I've been saying this for at least three years! United DNA - the one Ole is supposed to understand - has wingers at its very heart (if DNA has a heart!)

Judas · Mar 14, 2021

We've certainly looked much worse than this just in the last few weeks.

SER19 · Mar 14, 2021

No matter how bad we get I feel lucky that the wrinkled scrotum that is David Moyes is no longer the grim reaper on the touchline. The least ambitious performance of any team to visit old Trafford this season

Foxbatt · Mar 14, 2021

Scott needs to get into the box more often. Too much slow play around their box.

Berbasbullet · Mar 14, 2021

Come on United! Keep pushing them back and pinning them in and we will break through eventually.

KennyBurner · Mar 14, 2021

bosnian_red said:
Would put Amad on for James at some point. Loads of possession, a set defence... suits him more than James.

We bring on Amad and Westham start attacking.

christinaa · Mar 14, 2021

Still ill said:
Who would they be crossing to? When we have it wide, and we've had it wide a lot, there's rarely a target in the box. Greenwood's not going to be winning it against those central defenders, nor is Dan James. It's Marcus or bust.

But it's still our main problem

Nick7 · Mar 14, 2021

I thought we weren’t half bad in the first half.

charlenefan · Mar 14, 2021

Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Bruno Fernandes: 89% pass accuracy, 3 Key Passes, 2 Big Chances created, 100% dribbles completed, 1 tackle, 1 interception, 8 ball recoveries.

Rashford and Greenwood (who has been very good otherwise) have combined for 0 tackles, 0 interceptions. Shockingly, Rashford has 0 (ZERO) pressures and 0 ball recoveries on top of that - which is almost hard to do.

Our 'press' is so disorganised. It's literally Bruno doing it by himself, with flashes of Dan James. In matches like this, high pressing is exactly how City put drop-back teams to the sword.

yep our pressing and slow passing is the reason why we struggle against these sides, it's got nothing to do with fancy througballs it's just moving the opponent and forcing them into mistakes

mitchmouse · Mar 14, 2021

Adam-Utd said:
You have to start wide then play it into the box. Going straight from the centre to his feet and he’ll just get mown over like last time.

Bruno and mctominay need to be getting into the box more often too.

there were times we attacked and we had one player in the box. it's painful and embarrassing. but, heh, give Ole the new contract...

Oranges038 · Mar 14, 2021

Alemar said:
And heading

Aye, basically all aspects of being a defender aside from being able to tackle and slide tackle.

ivaldo · Mar 14, 2021

arnie_ni said:
It didn't go unnoticed. He was complimented here.

He doesn't play pass through the lines often enough though

Significantly less than when he innocuously misplace a pass, that's for certain.

bosnian_red · Mar 14, 2021

VP89 said:
Ole has done his job in getting the team proactively pressing but the quality isn't there. I feel we are more than just a Haaland away from having a full fearful attack.

Yup. We need a right wing, and the midfield duo behind Fred are never balanced with what we have. I keep saying striker might sort itself out with Greenwood, but the right wing and the midfield duo lacking creativity and control will always be an issue (particularly if we sell Pogba). If we keep Pogba, then we need a DM to balance out the creativity in there now. Either way, any manager would look at us and focus on the right wing and midfield.

RRCE · Mar 14, 2021

Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Bruno Fernandes: 89% pass accuracy, 3 Key Passes, 2 Big Chances created, 100% dribbles completed, 1 tackle, 1 interception, 8 ball recoveries.

Rashford and Greenwood (who has been very good otherwise) have combined for 0 tackles, 0 interceptions. Shockingly, Rashford has 0 (ZERO) pressures and 0 ball recoveries on top of that - which is almost hard to do.

Our 'press' is so disorganised. It's literally Bruno doing it by himself, with flashes of Dan James. In matches like this, high pressing is exactly how City put drop-back teams to the sword.

This is a recurring problem with our press. It’s extremely inconsistent, in my opinion.

2 man midfield · Mar 14, 2021

I just don’t get how we think we can score a goal, crossing it into an empty box. Why have we persisted with this for 45 fecking minutes?

mitchmouse · Mar 14, 2021

Nick7 said:
I thought we weren’t half bad in the first half.

no we were whole bad!

laughtersassassin · Mar 14, 2021

Remember when we had Pogba?

I miss him. We where looking better then.

SNes · Mar 14, 2021

We are becoming unwatchable dull and boring is the United way.

Tom Van Persie · Mar 14, 2021

Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Bruno Fernandes: 89% pass accuracy, 3 Key Passes, 2 Big Chances created, 100% dribbles completed, 1 tackle, 1 interception, 8 ball recoveries.

Rashford and Greenwood (who has been very good otherwise) have combined for 0 tackles, 0 interceptions. Shockingly, Rashford has 0 (ZERO) pressures and 0 ball recoveries on top of that - which is almost hard to do.

Our 'press' is so disorganised. It's literally Bruno doing it by himself, with flashes of Dan James. In matches like this, high pressing is exactly how City put drop-back teams to the sword.

He's the only player on our front line that constantly puts a shift in and doesn't take minutes off. It will be interesting to see how much ground he covers by the end of the season.

ivaldo · Mar 14, 2021

RashyForPM said:
Wait where’s the moaning coming from today? We’ve been pretty good! We just need to score first.

Yup. They were always going to be difficult to break. We should have scored 1 or 2 that half. Hardly horrendous.

paulscholes18 · Mar 14, 2021

Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Bruno Fernandes: 89% pass accuracy, 3 Key Passes, 2 Big Chances created, 100% dribbles completed, 1 tackle, 1 interception, 8 ball recoveries.

Rashford and Greenwood (who has been very good otherwise) have combined for 0 tackles, 0 interceptions. Shockingly, Rashford has 0 (ZERO) pressures and 0 ball recoveries on top of that - which is almost hard to do.

Our 'press' is so disorganised. It's literally Bruno doing it by himself, with flashes of Dan James. In matches like this, high pressing is exactly how City put drop-back teams to the sword.

Does make you wander how fit Rashford is, had a really poor first half

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