Real Betis 0:1 Manchester United

top1whoisman · Mar 14, 2023

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That is not good.

It’s been ”official” since last Thursday. Gotta love those twitter accounts pretending to be journalists.

JuriM · Mar 14, 2023

top1whoisman said:
It’s been ”official” since last Thursday. Gotta love those twitter accounts pretending to be journalists.

Oh, I have been unable to see the midweek games atm. So didn't know about it! I doubt we rest Casemiro due his red in League, but we can't really have either of them to get a yellow either. Not ideal situation in a game where we have +3 in goals ahead already.

Stadjer · Mar 14, 2023

Hernandez - BFA said:
Bruno needs a rest. He looks knackered. Please Erik, rest the man.

Doesnt matter how he looks. The medical team has detailed info on every player their fitness. Almost everything is measured and if that shows he is 'knackered' he wont play or be rested. If the medical data shows he can play than ETH can just play him.

NYAS · Mar 14, 2023

What if they get a yellow in the 2nd leg of the QF? You’d still miss the 1st leg of the semi, no? I thought the rule was purely to prevent players missing the final.

top1whoisman · Mar 14, 2023

JuriM said:
Oh, I have been unable to see the midweek games atm. So didn't know about it! I doubt we rest Casemiro due his red in League, but we can't really have either of them to get a yellow either. Not ideal situation in a game where we have +3 in goals ahead already.

Oh and sorry, I didn't mean to offend you in any way. Vabandage! Just find those utd-something accounts kind of cute trying to be all "official" and "breaking" in their "journalism". Nothing original in their tweets.

Yeah it's an interesting one. If Casemiro gets a yellow, he'll basically have a vacation of a few weeks without any games. Fortunately, in this case, he'd get some valuable game time with Brazil. I'd rest both of them on Thursday, but I think we'll see both start.

top1whoisman · Mar 14, 2023

NYAS said:
What if they get a yellow in the 2nd leg of the QF? You’d still miss the 1st leg of the semi, no? I thought the rule was purely to prevent players missing the final.

Yeah, only the cards are wiped, not suspensions.

Devil77 · Mar 14, 2023

Both should have taken a yellow card at the very end of the game at OT.

top1whoisman · Mar 14, 2023

Devil77 said:
Both should have taken a yellow card at the very end of the game at OT.

Bruno would've been sent off in that case.

wangyu · Mar 14, 2023

This game is not played yet, I'm kinda nervous with are current form. It's been a while since we last dominated a game for 90 min.

Devil77 · Mar 14, 2023

top1whoisman said:
Bruno would've been sent off in that case.

Aha! Good thing he didn’t follow my advice then.

top1whoisman · Mar 14, 2023

wangyu said:
This game is not played yet, I'm kinda nervous with are current form. It's been a while since we last dominated a game for 90 min.

Last 7: 5 wins, 1 draw with 10 men, 1 freak defeat. Those wins include the champions elect of Betis' league and a battering of Betis themselves. We don't need to dominate 90 mins on Thursday. The minimum - keep it tight, make them open themselves and hit them on the counter. They have to take all the risks. No reason we can't take at least a draw there. Wouldn't be surprised if we won either, depending a little bit on the XI chosen.

top1whoisman · Mar 14, 2023

Devil77 said:
Aha! Good thing he didn’t follow my advice then.

Eller hur! :lol:

TheRedDevil'sAdvocate · Mar 14, 2023

Devil77 said:
Both should have taken a yellow card at the very end of the game at OT.

Casemiro could have done it, but it's not as easy as it used to be. UEFA has added an extra paragraph in the rules that, if you try to fool or provoke the referee into showing you a yellow card, you'll be suspended for two games instead of one.

top1whoisman · Mar 14, 2023

TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
Casemiro could have done it, but it's not as easy as it used to be. UEFA has added an extra paragraph in the rules that, if you try to fool or provoke the referee into showing you a yellow card, you'll be suspended for two games instead of one.

I think that's a good addition. Still think Casemiro should've been able to grab an opponent's shirt and take a sincere enough looking booking. Not sure that's how EtH operates and they probably didn't think about it at the time.

TheRedDevil'sAdvocate · Mar 14, 2023

top1whoisman said:
I think that's a good addition. Still think Casemiro should've been able to grab an opponent's shirt and take a sincere enough looking booking. Not sure that's how EtH operates and they probably didn't think about it at the time.

Yup, it is. That's why you don't see the players of the winning team deliberately delaying taking a free kick or a throw-in to get a booking in the last minutes of a game very often any more.

I agree that it's not something ETH would even consider. Another issue is that since this paragraph was added, the officials usually do their homework before the match. So, if they put it on their report, it's a guaranteed two-game suspension no matter how hard you tried to conceal it.

We should probably do our own homework on the referees. Does he give a lot of yellows to keep the players in check? How does he treat hard tackles and challenges? Stuff like that... and inform the players accordingly.

top1whoisman · Mar 14, 2023

TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
Yup, it is. That's why you don't see the players of the winning team deliberately delaying taking a free kick or a throw-in to get a booking in the last minutes of a game very often any more.

I agree that it's not something ETH would even consider. Another issue is that since this paragraph was added, the officials usually do their homework before the match. So, if they put it on their report, it's a guaranteed two-game suspension no matter how hard you tried to conceal it.

We should probably do our own homework on the referees. Does he give a lot of yellows to keep the players in check? How does he treat hard tackles and challenges? Stuff like that... and inform the players accordingly.

Or perhaps take it up a notch and follow Barca's example.

I think they might do some research on that, but it's also a case of not making the instructions over-informative, taking away the natural flair and decreasing the organic stuff that we all want to see as spectators. I get that data is a big part of the game and clubs are looking for anything that might give them that 0,1% extra, but at the same time I think some coaches overdo it and therefore fail to get the most crucial message through.

always_hoping · Mar 14, 2023

top1whoisman said:
It’s been ”official” since last Thursday. Gotta love those twitter accounts pretending to be journalists.

Am i right in saying all yellows are wiped after this round?

top1whoisman · Mar 14, 2023

always_hoping said:
Am i right in saying all yellows are wiped after this round?

You definitely are, with the exception that they are not until the conclusion of the QFs.

Hughie77 · Mar 14, 2023

It will be what it is, Bruno and Casimero both 1 yellow away from suspension. I think cards are wiped before semi?
Can see Casimero starting even Bruno but maybe Bruno for 45. Unless EtH uses this game to play the 11 he thinks he needs while Casimero is suspended?

top1whoisman · Mar 14, 2023

I'm pretty sure the yellow cards for players with surnames starting with A-M are wiped out at HT of the first QF, and for O-Z at HT of the second leg of QFs. So Casemiro and Bruno should be safe. Players with surnames starting with N will have to appeal to UEFA to get their cards wiped out before the end of the year.

Walters_19_MuFc · Mar 14, 2023

I want to see Sancho in midfield again. In the first half against Soton, I thought he was decent, and stats backed that up.

He was asked to play as a 9 in the second half and that's when his performance went downhill.

Rashford Weghorst Antony
Bruno Sancho
McTominay
Malacia Martinez Maguire Dalot
De Gea

Mainoo, Pellistri and Elanga to all get minutes.

Fooza · Mar 14, 2023

2-1 dodgy VAR/ref decisions against us

That's the only thing I think about games these days, refs and VAR because you just know that's the norm these days

Devil81 · Mar 15, 2023

I'd be pretty annoyed if we didn't totally rotate for this one now, I don't care if we get beat just as long as we go through. I personally think you could rotate most of the side and avoid losing by three goals myself.

Casemiro in the middle due to his suspensions alongside Mctomminey is strong enough and I'd play both Maguire and Lindelof. Malacia left back, right back Dalot.

The front three should be Pellistri, Sancho and Weghorst.

That side is capable of getting something at Betis let alone protect us from a 3 to 4 goal swing.

Red00012 · Mar 15, 2023

He’ll go strong and sub off his 5 players in the 2nd half when the job is done

World Game · Mar 15, 2023

If we need Bruno and co in a match where we have a 3 goal head start against Real Betis, then we don’t deserve to win this competition.

Bertie Wooster · Mar 15, 2023

Red00012 said:
He’ll go strong and sub off his 5 players in the 2nd half when the job is done

Yeah, that's what I'm expecting, and hoping, he'll do

Betis are a competent enough side, and their fans can create a good atmosphere. And I imagine they'll start with more creative and attacking threat this time with Canales and Borja Iglesias starting. Last thing I want - for season morale, momentum, etc - is to start with an overly weakened line up and risk finding ourselves a goal or two down at some point in a tough atmosphere and the whole momentum of the tie changing to squeaky bum time for us.

Much better to only make limited rotation where deemed necessary, go pretty strong, and look to get the job done without too many scares. If we get into a comfortable enough position in the 2nd half then think about the luxury of taking off even more of the key players.

jimmyb2000 · Mar 15, 2023

wangyu said:
This game is not played yet, I'm kinda nervous with are current form. It's been a while since we last dominated a game for 90 min.

It's been 6 days since we last dominated a game for 90 minutes

top1whoisman · Mar 15, 2023

Sabitzer & Lindelöf back in training, Antony didn’t apparently train today.

saivet · Mar 15, 2023

DDG
Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Malacia
Casemiro, Fred
Pellestri, Bruno, Sancho
Rashford

It looks like Antony is out for tomorrow. Assuming we're comfortable, I'd look to give at least 20 minutes for the guys returning from injury Sabitzer (for Fred), Lindelof (for Martinez), Martial (for Rashford) and possible even longer for McTominay (for Casemiro)

Marwood · Mar 15, 2023

Has to rest Bruno for this one. He's not needed with the two goal cushion.

Stobzilla · Mar 15, 2023

Marwood said:
Has to rest Bruno for this one. He's not needed with the two goal cushion.

3.

Unless this is an away goals joke.

Marwood · Mar 15, 2023

Stobzilla said:
3.

Unless this is an away goals joke.

Sorry yeah 3 I meant.

So no need to go hunting for goals. Just look after ball. Play three CM's.

Licha-Vidic · Mar 15, 2023

No Antony No Martial.

Martial case is now next to absurd

UNITED'S SQUAD FOR REAL BETIS (A)

Goalkeepers: David De Gea, Tom Heaton, Jack Butland.

Defenders: Diogo Dalot, Victor Lindelof, Harry Maguire, Tyrell Malacia, Lisandro Martinez, Luke Shaw, Raphael Varane, Aaron Wan-Bissaka.

Midfielders: Casemiro, Bruno Fernandes, Fred, Scott McTominay, Marcel Sabitzer.

Forwards: Anthony Elanga, Facundo Pellistri, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Wout Weghorst

Bertie Wooster · Mar 15, 2023

Glad to see Sabitzer back - just in time with Casemiro's upcoming ban.

It says Antony is ill, rather than injured. So hopefully he'll be fit for the Fulham game as, with Garnacho's injury and Martial's continued absence, we don't want to be without another attacking option any longer than necessary and I'd really hate to get knocked out of either cup just before the international break.

Pavl3n · Mar 15, 2023

DDG

AWB
Maguire
Martinez
Malacia

Casemiro
McTomminay
Sabitzer

Sancho
Wout
Pellistri

Todd · Mar 15, 2023

So, we're basically in a situation where Casemiro has to play in this one, since he won't be playing in anything else for a while, but if he plays he's almost surely going to get carded and miss the first leg of the next round.

top1whoisman · Mar 15, 2023

Todd said:
So, we're basically in a situation where Casemiro has to play in this one, since he won't be playing in anything else for a while, but if he plays he's almost surely going to get carded and miss the first leg of the next round.

For once I’m kind of happy for a United player to get some matches with his national team. I’d still rest him tomorrow but I doubt we will.

2Injurytimegoal · Mar 15, 2023

Our midfield is not the best, how can we afford to be without all Bruno, Cas and Eriksen.

I think Cas should start to hold the midfield, if he has to get a yellow so be it, he still can play in the 2nd leg, assume we advance tomorrow.

Hughie77 · Mar 15, 2023

Marwood said:
Has to rest Bruno for this one. He's not needed with the two goal cushion.

3 goal cushion and I hope Bruno gets a day off as well. Mctom will need mins as him and Sabitzer are going to play in next few games . Fred will be in for Casimero then 1 other .

Todd · Mar 15, 2023

2Injurytimegoal said:
Our midfield is not the best, how can we afford to be without all Bruno, Cas and Eriksen.

I think Cas should start to hold the midfield, if he has to get a yellow so be it, he still can play in the 2nd leg, assume we advance tomorrow.

Really depends on Sabitzer being fit. If he can go tomorrow, I'd probably start Casemiro, Sabitzer, and Fred in the midfield, with the intention of bringing Casemiro off at halftime for Scot assuming we haven't conceded a goal.

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