Stoke City 1:1 Manchester United

Garethw · Jan 21, 2017

Yagami said:
You honestly believe the situations are the same? Rooney was putting in awful performances for years and still getting picked every week, whereas Martial gets dropped after a great game or a substandard one. Even against Liverpool he was our biggest attacking threat despite having 3 players on him and was the first to be substituted.

At a club like United, players should be picked on merit not reputation.

Martial, at points this season, has been terrible and has fully deserved to get dropped to the bench.

We have 7 players competing for two wide positions so there is no place for passengers.

Martial is a very talented young lad and I'm sure he would have started today had he been fit.

Janson · Jan 21, 2017

Anyone have a river?

Anduin · Jan 21, 2017

Win this, draw at the Etihad later between City and Tottenham and we're level on points with City, two behind Liverpool, three behind Spurs. That would be grand. Come on United!

Al-T · Jan 21, 2017

Really need to win now with the scouse screwing up against Swansea.

Pexbo · Jan 21, 2017

7/11

I genuinely thought I would get 10/11 today with maybe Blind in for Darmian. It's impossible this year! @DanNistelrooy needs to reveal his sources.

Maradona10 · Jan 21, 2017

Come on United. HAVE TO WIN THIS NOW!

Pexbo · Jan 21, 2017

Janson said:
Anyone have a river?

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=334532.280

OohAahMartial · Jan 21, 2017

El Zoido said:
Stoke are a physical team so Fellaini plays. We really need to win this so I hope it pays off.

It was quite predictable. Jose appreciates some height in the team both defensively and offensively, as well as some brawn. And Carrick clearly needs a rest.

Surprised no one is pleased that Mata is starting, we need his goals. And its not like Mhki is worse than Martial on the left.

Damien · Jan 21, 2017

Pexbo said:
7/11

I genuinely thought I would get 10/11 today with maybe Blind in for Darmian. It's impossible this year! @DanNistelrooy needs to reveal his sources.

Same as you. Guessing you went for De Gea, Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Darmian, Carrick, Herrera, Pogba, Mkhi, Martial, Zlatan?

SammyUnited_83 · Jan 21, 2017

No martial? Wow.

SqueakyWeasel · Jan 21, 2017

Damien said:
A newbie (@iKnowNothing) has same issue. What browser are you using?

Was on Safari (Mac), tried FF and Chrome and now Safari has reset itself. Must be a Trump thing … :nervous:

3KDré · Jan 21, 2017

I think Mourinho wants silverware this season and has prioritised the league cup. Hence no Martial.

mav_9me · Jan 21, 2017

SammyUnited_83 said:
No martial? Wow.

I guess we gotta trust Mourinho but I'm getting worried. He hasn't been bad but I guess there is something more specific he is looking in him for.

Janson · Jan 21, 2017

Pexbo said:
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=334532.280

Thanks, but I can't seem to find a link there.

Garethw · Jan 21, 2017

M Bison said:
Disappointed to see Fellaini start, just can't believe he continues to get game-time. I'm also concerned that not playing Carrick will leave less cover for the defence.

Pleased with Blind at LB, sick of seeing Darmin there and hoping he'll give us more balance.

Must win game after the scousers result.

I'm really pleased that Darmian is not playing today. He offered Martial zero support down the left against Liverpool and is actually one of the most cowardly players I've seen in a long time.

It's a shame as he looked really good for the first 2-3 games of last season before Van Gaal got his claws into him.

Damien · Jan 21, 2017

SqueakyWeasel said:
Was on Safari (Mac), tried FF and Chrome and now Safari has reset itself. Must be a Trump thing …

Yeah his issue is on Safari too. I tried it and had no problem. Weird.

Ixion · Jan 21, 2017

I'm not too bothered about Martial not playing as Mata deserves a start.

The toilet brush on the other hand getting a start just because he's tall annoys me.

xplatformjedi · Jan 21, 2017

No Luke Shaw...hmmm... Not even on the bench.

RonaldoVII · Jan 21, 2017

Ixion said:
I'm not too bothered about Martial not playing as Mata deserves a start.

The toilet brush on the other hand getting a start just because he's tall annoys me.

Lets ignore him changing the game for us in our past 2 games then... he deserves it, Carrick wasn't great against Liverpool.

Borden · Jan 21, 2017

Fellaini has done well recently, deserves to start.

ManUnitedCanuck · Jan 21, 2017

Massive opportunity to make up some ground on the top 4, with Liverpool losing and the City/Spurs match to come.

Come on boys!!! Back to winning ways in the league.

Leftback99 · Jan 21, 2017

SkeppyRed said:
What treatment?

We have lots of quality in his position and his performances have hardly made him undroppable have they.

He's comfortably better than our other options on the left but one bad half and he's out for the next game. There's no continuity with our attacking lineup which is part of the reason we score so few in my opinion.

I'm basing it on Jose not mentioning an injury so may be barking up the wrong tree of course.

Stack · Jan 21, 2017

Are people still using the term cowardly to cowardly slag off players?

Ixion · Jan 21, 2017

RonaldoVII said:
Lets ignore him changing the game for us in our past 2 games then... he deserves it, Carrick wasn't great against Liverpool.

We should probably just bench Carrick from now on and stick to long balls every game.

Yagami · Jan 21, 2017

Garethw said:
At a club like United, players should be picked on merit not reputation.

Martial, at points this season, has been terrible and has fully deserved to get dropped to the bench.

We have 7 players competing for two wide positions so there is no place for passengers.

Martial is a very talented young lad and I'm sure he would have started today had he been fit.

I completely agree with you in that Martial has been terrible at times this season and that, for the most part, players should be picked on merit not reputation, but, like Ronaldo, Martial's the type of talent you keep giving a run of games to despite how inconsistent he can be.

I'm not talking about today's game as I'm sure there's an injury or something, but I can't remember the last run of games he got despite being one of our better attackers in recent months. Most of his poor games were from the beginning of the season and was rightly dropped then, but he's picked things up in recent showings and still hasn't managed to get a run of games.

Anyway, I still think the team José's put out is fine, it's just that, on form, Martial is my favourite player in the squad to watch and I'm desperate to see him get back to last seasons form.

iAm20Legend · Jan 21, 2017

I don't care if it's a last minute offside goal off Fellaini's arse, we need to win this today.

SkeppyRed · Jan 21, 2017

Leftback99 said:
He's comfortably better than our other options on the left but one bad half and he's out for the next game. There's no continuity with our attacking lineup which is part of the reason we score so few in my opinion.

I'm basing it on Jose not mentioning an injury so may be barking up the wrong tree of course.

I agree but its not a massive shock or a reason to be worried about his treatment imo.

Also Martial has huge quality but could be doing a lot more.

SwansonsTache · Jan 21, 2017

Brutish cnut Adam to attempt atleast one career ender.

BringNaniBack · Jan 21, 2017

Does Mourinho want Martial to leave?

waza7111 · Jan 21, 2017

I think it's a mistake to replace Carrick with Fellaini. Liverpool pressed Carrick very well but very few teams are capable of doing that for long periods.

Maxin · Jan 21, 2017

Nice to ser Bastian on the bench.

Camy89 · Jan 21, 2017

Never thought I'd say this but happy to see Fellaini start.

He's been solid int eh past few games he has come on and we need his height against Stoke (especially with Crouch lurking about). Glad to see Mata in also.

Like the lineup, I hope I like the scoreline.

DomesticTadpole · Jan 21, 2017

Damien said:
Same as you. Guessing you went for De Gea, Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Darmian, Carrick, Herrera, Pogba, Mkhi, Martial, Zlatan?

That was my team as well. If todays team win, just shows we know nothing.

RonaldoVII · Jan 21, 2017

Ixion said:
We should probably just bench Carrick from now on and stick to long balls every game.

Do you look at our lineup today and think we're going to play long balls all game? Behave.

Maccaa · Jan 21, 2017

Ixion said:
I'm not too bothered about Martial not playing as Mata deserves a start.

The toilet brush on the other hand getting a start just because he's tall annoys me.

Give it up. He's shown when he's played in his preferred position he can be a threat, it's not his fault managers play him in a different role is it? At least even if he's having a bad match he doesn't shy away from it and go missing like Pogba against the bin dippers. He might not be the best player but he gives it his best when he's on the pitch and that's all you can ask. Not his fault if he gets picked more than he should.

Sparky10Legend · Jan 21, 2017

xplatformjedi said:
No Luke Shaw...hmmm... Not even on the bench.

On his way out, plain to see.

King.of.Red · Jan 21, 2017

Ixion said:
I'm not too bothered about Martial not playing as Mata deserves a start.

The toilet brush on the other hand getting a start just because he's tall annoys me.

c'mon he played well previous match against liverfool. hopefully today he scores goal.

IrishRedDevil · Jan 21, 2017

We need 3 points. NO EXCUSES.

Liverpool have dropped 3, and with Spurs v City playing later someone will drop points there also, so United better make it count!

SwansonsTache · Jan 21, 2017

You just know Crouch will get his 100th today, so we'll need to score atleast two.

UnofficialDevil · Jan 21, 2017

Good to see Mata starting.

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