West Ham United 2:0 Manchester United

AFC NimbleThumb · Sep 22, 2019

Slevs said:
Treating it like a training game, no urgency. Matic is trying to play forward passes at least.

Rashford had a good run then he Welbecked it and the defender got the ball. Matic had a shot from outside the box confortably saved.

They had the better attacks and scored a goal before half time. Mata is non-exostant and there appears to be no clear plan when attacking.

Nothing new then.

Thanks.

MrSingh2002 · Sep 22, 2019

Tuanzebe, Fred, Gomes and Greenwood.

Does anyone think they don't improve that first half performance?

Ban · Sep 22, 2019

lsd said:
This was the squad Ole wanted

Sure, sure.

PlayerOne · Sep 22, 2019

soralapio said:
Who would have guessed that Woodward's failures in the transfer market might have a negative impact on United's football?

I didn't know Woodward is the one picking the team and using the tactics we're using today

Andycoleno9 · Sep 22, 2019

Sied said:
I'm going to need you to use more than one word to justify that conclusion.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, former manager of Molde and Cardiff. Better?

SqueakyWeasel · Sep 22, 2019

ValenciasDrilledCrosses said:
Ole is clueless, one of the worst managers I've ever seen. We created more chances under Mou

We lost this game 3:1 under Jose last season with no injuries

Ace of Spades · Sep 22, 2019

Ban said:
Enough with Matić and Mata.

I am starting to be sick of some of these players. They are the same lot that were not good enough last season, they are not going to improve now.

Wednesday at Stoke · Sep 22, 2019

Without Pogba and Martial, these are two similar sides on paper and one could argue West Ham's attack is better.

Sandikan · Sep 22, 2019

meamth said:
Why the feck Rashford looked like a guy having asthma?

Catching his breath several times, looks fecking sluggish.

Won't be surprised to hear he's playing ill later.
Fair play for him turning out if that's true, as without him, who would you even play? One of the teen wingers who have looked pure mediocrity?

C3Pique · Sep 22, 2019

I fecking hate Formula 1, but I chose to watch that over our game.

Looks like I chose well.

Water Melon · Sep 22, 2019

thegregster said:
What's he supposed to do with the squad?

How could the squad be fixed with a net spent of 30mil since he took over?

If he cant do better with what he has, then he needs to be gone. This squad is much better than that of WHs, but coached much more worse. Talking the talk is easy, but walking the walk is Ole's weakest point. And all his talk of different fitness level this season turned out to be crap too.

RedPed · Sep 22, 2019

Take off Young, Mata and Matic and stick on Rojo, Fred and Gomes. Need more pace and energy. The lethargy in that half was unbelievable.

Lash · Sep 22, 2019

Slevs said:
I admire your optimism good sir. Sadly, I think this one is gone. Pathetic performance so far.

Yeah, bit of blind optimism, but they look just as pants. If we don’t change what we’re doing, I agree, but you’ve gotta expect there will be a change second half.

The Cat · Sep 22, 2019

Nothing up front or even behind in attack. Bloody awful no urgency or dare I say even ability on show so far.

minoo-utd · Sep 22, 2019

DickDastardly said:
It's not like they didn't perform the same for two managers before this one.

But Ole made it even worse by relying on such names, and can not work with what we have.

Sandikan · Sep 22, 2019

Wednesday at Stoke said:
Without Pogba and Martial, these are two similar sides on paper and one could argue West Ham's attack is better.

Yep. Home advantage kicking in

ValenciasDrilledCrosses · Sep 22, 2019

SqueakyWeasel said:
We lost this game 3:1 under Jose last season with no injuries

Mou was garbage too, and obviously the problems don't end with the manager

Thiagoal · Sep 22, 2019

Remember when we had a prime Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo attacking the opposition? Well now we’ve got Rashford, Pereira and a kid from the championship! fecking disgraceful that this has been allowed to happen- embarrassing

pjaya · Sep 22, 2019

Judas said:
We're one of the worst coached teams in the league, there's no patterns or any sort of style to our play. Depressing.

I really blame this on ole. What his game plan actually?

Macca7 · Sep 22, 2019

When is he finally going to realise that Matic and Mata are finished? Totally done. Neither can run to save their lives and every time they get the ball they make a bad decision. Absolutely sick of the sight of them both.

arthurka · Sep 22, 2019

Ole or no Ole this is just not good enough. Ole has been left with scraps with no striker a bare to the bones midfield and one fullback. But this is just terrible stuff from Utd absolutely nothing performance. Taking my kids swimming this isn't worth spending two hours on.

mitchmouse · Sep 22, 2019

In Rainbows said:
Look at how quick everything went. Where could the pressure have come from? The pass, the touch to set up the strike, and the finish were all pinpoint. The more concerning part of our side is obviously our attack where once again we are crap.

umm defenders are meant to close down space and attackers. our muppets did neither

Sandikan · Sep 22, 2019

Lash said:
Still think we’ll win.

Expected a lot of white text there!

We won't even win on second half shot count!

edcunited1878 · Sep 22, 2019

I would sub Mata and Pereria for Fred and Lingard then Gomes for James.

Need to switch to a 4312. Rashford is frustrated and isolated so needs a partner. Have it be James with Lingard behind them. Matic sits with McTominay and Fred ahead. West Ham continue to play from outside to in. Mata doesn't have the threat of pace to drag his markers out of line, he goes deep towards his own goal when West Ham defenders are already looking for a pass behind them.

minoo-utd · Sep 22, 2019

We go each game like fecking cowards and have to concede.

ash_86 · Sep 22, 2019

Lingard is only one who has played some senior football in bench. It says it all

MyOnlySolskjaer · Sep 22, 2019

State of this forum arguing about days when we were less shit.

PaulScholes99 · Sep 22, 2019

That is even worse than i expected.

Sassy Colin · Sep 22, 2019

I'm tempted to watch the end of the GP

In Rainbows · Sep 22, 2019

Withnail said:
Did you watch the other games? The team were pressing. They aren't doing it today and have fairly been fairly lethargic. Changes needed immediately.

We're pretty crap at pressing. Just compare it to Liverpool and City. It's not about effort, it's about coordination. Sure it looks like we're pressing because one individual presses, but that's ineffective. It's awful compared to his first 4 matches in charge.

Sandikan · Sep 22, 2019

Adisa said:
I feel sleepy. I am going to bed.

I've just spent 5 days in bed ill, had to force myself up for this :lol:

pseudo_canadian · Sep 22, 2019

Rashford is not very good, is he?

MrSingh2002 · Sep 22, 2019

Rashford is such a sulker.

BringNaniBack · Sep 22, 2019

Anustart89 said:
I've literally no clue as to what Ole's trying to do here.

He's obviously not teaching the players how to move when we're in possession of the ball. Yet he's playing Pereira and Mata, who presumably are there to find space in behind, which requires movement, which he's not trying to introduce into the team.
If he's trying to "break down a team", why does it seem like we only have a clue when we're on the counter? And if he's looking to counter, why are Pereira and Mata in the team? The selection just doesn't make any sense. It's like City wanting to play Tiki-Taka and then sticking Fellaini and Lukaku in the team.

Pick a style and fecking go with it. If you want to counter, play Chong. I don't care if he's not ready, at least he fits that style. Now we're playing with two slow, static passers and two non-passing, non-interchanging runners, and no dynamism in midfield since McTominay hasn't been able to replicate his Leicester performance.

Nothing he's doing makes any sense at the moment. If he doesn't make changes at half time he needs his head tested.

Tom Cato · Sep 22, 2019

Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
On todays line-ups, i'll name 7.

Diop, Cresswell, Rice, Fornals, Yarmolenko, Anderson, Haller

They are improvements on Lindelof, Young, Matic, McTominay, Mata, Pereira & Rashford

Well this is a hardcore "The grass is greener..." post if I ever saw one.

Wednesday at Stoke · Sep 22, 2019

Thiagoal said:
Remember when we had a prime Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo attacking the opposition? Well now we’ve got Rashford, Pereira and a kid from the championship! fecking disgraceful that this has been allowed to happen- embarrassing

he's the best of the present lot.

LoneStar · Sep 22, 2019

What can you even say? West ham have a far better attack than we do.

We started off pretty well, but were always toothless in attack. Rashford can't lead the line for a top 6 team, and Mata would have looked lost in the 99 treble reunion game.

The goal was well taken though, credit to them where it's due. Can't see us scoring 2 past them.

thegregster · Sep 22, 2019

Water Melon said:
If he cant do better with what he has, then he needs to be gone. This squad is much better than that of WHs, but coached much more worse. Talking the talk is easy, but walking the walk is Ole's weakest point. And all his talk of different fitness level this season turned out to be crap too.

It's not much better. Without Pogba and Martial the two teams are pretty similar.

We are probably better in defense but their attack is better than ours.

Thiagoal · Sep 22, 2019

I thought Ole would at least give it a go? As fecking cowardly as Mourinho what a load of bollocks

M16Red · Sep 22, 2019

mewnew11 said:
We are when you play matic and mata

Matic has been visible at least.

MyOnlySolskjaer · Sep 22, 2019

Honestly not feeling like watching the second half at all.

mav_9me · Sep 22, 2019

In Rainbows said:
Look at how quick everything went. Where could the pressure have come from? The pass, the touch to set up the strike, and the finish were all pinpoint. The more concerning part of our side is obviously our attack where once again we are crap.

Noble had 6 seconds on the ball on the edge of our box.

Your 2nd point is correct though.

Gasolin · Sep 22, 2019

MrSingh2002 said:
Tuanzebe, Fred, Gomes and Greenwood.

Does anyone think they don't improve that first half performance?

There is no Greenwood and we should not waste a substitution for defense if possible. Fred would make mistakes too but yeah maybe we should try him instead of Matic. I would try a Mata/Matic out for Gomes/Fred to see how that works out for us.

ArjenIsM3 · Sep 22, 2019

MyOnlySolskjaer said:
State of this forum arguing about days when we were less shit.

Except we weren't actually less shite back then.

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