Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Of course many would. Probably the same ones you can dig up posts saying give him the job 7 months ago.
Why hasn’t he gone yet? We’re going to dither & dither & then fcking dither some more before the inevitable.
it’s actually amazing how the Glazers & Woody & Ole have managed to fck up such an amazing & historic club like ours
it’s actually amazing how the Glazers & Woody & Ole have managed to fck up such an amazing & historic club like ours
If we were comfortably in the top 6, I would say keep him. But there is a genuine possibility of us being relegated the longer he stays. I presume that he will be sacked around Christmas when we are still in the bottom half of the table. I can't see him turning it around.
No i meant in regards to poor player mentality and perceived lack of effort. No doubt Jose burned too many bridges and after his meltdown he had to go, but was it all down to his quarrel with Ed and because he did not get a CB?
Not going to single out any players, as there have been numerous threads discussing them, but imo there are a fair few in our squad that i would not exactly call strong characters
Ole is different to all the other managers since SAF as we all know that he genuinely cares and it must hurt him as much as anyone to be in this position .
The biggest action/statement he could make would be to resign and come out with a statement saying he loves the club and wants to help but it is an impossible task because of the way the owners and Woodward are running the club .
In the long run it is probably the best thing he could do for the good of Manchester United as a football club .
The biggest action/statement he could make would be to resign and come out with a statement saying he loves the club and wants to help but it is an impossible task because of the way the owners and Woodward are running the club .
In the long run it is probably the best thing he could do for the good of Manchester United as a football club .
Fergie liked his money also, no one in their right mind walks away from millions he can expect if he does end up getting the elbow.
It may come as a surprise but a manager is also a leader who sets direction.
It was their worst league finish for 7 years. Tottenham are similarly in a much better state now than when Poch took over.
Exactly why it would be a massive statement . You are right , it probably won`t happen because of the money but he is in a position to make a huge statement .
You’re talking about things you hope would happen if Ole was sacked. Funny they are all negative but we should support the club like you.
Bloody hell that's good point, all three past managers are unemployed!
Marco Rose could be perfect and seeing as though Gladbach aren't in he champions league we could probably get him now if we paid the fee's.
Start a go fund me, I’d like him to go out in style
Moyes thinks he's above any managerial position he's been offered, assuming he's been offered something. LVG knew United was his managerial job and was content with that. Mourinho has turned down offers and is waiting for something he thinks is what he wants/deserves (i.e. Madrid).
I'm still surprised he can't even muster a single false dawn result here or there to buy time. How is he even worse than the version of Jose who was trying to get sacked on purpose? That's a feat. He was playing Mctominay in defense to lose games. The players and managers downed tools and still weren't this bad.
Of course the manager is partly responsible, but I genuinely think the majority of the blame is on the board. The Glazers don't care and Woodward has no clue. They are leaving United to stagnate; there is no vision. Ole has been hung out to dry.
Whoever comes in has to sort out over six years of Ed’s mess and all the future mess he is going to create. Not much point blaming Ole, long after he’s gone Ed will still be around.
So only rubbish clubs are offering Moyes and Mourinhio jobs which proves my point. LVG has also openly said he would mange again if the right club came in so it's probably rubbish clubs offering him jobs as well.
The fact is top clubs don't want these three managers as they aren't the top managers in todays game. Mourinho might get one but he definitely isn't hot property like he once was.
Well that's what we've done and it hasn't worked. Four managers in six years hasn't seen us win anything of significance - in fact it's seen us to our worst state in thirty years. And no Ole didn't create our current predicament - he inherited it. We're exactly where we were when he came in. Better in defense - but it doesn't help because we're absolutely toothless in attack.
I fully agree. Woodward is being paid top dollar for continuous failure. It's incredible he is still in his post. We need change throughout the club; if Ole doesn't turn this around very soon, he will be sacked, but the fundamental problems will remain.
Woodward and the Glazers have their hand in this and are terrible and couldn’t be gone sooner. I will always agree with that. However, they are not responsible for how we actually play football. They’re not on the training pitches. They’re not designing tactics. They’re not man managing during matches. They’re not the ones responsible for no one running into the box when a wide player is trying to attack the goal. Etc etc. From 2005 through 2013, the Glazers owned us and have been awful in spending the money to the point they had SAF bullshit us about no value in the market. Yet the man could still transform players and win trophies. Yes, SAF was one of a kind, but that goes to show you how a great manager can operate even under the boot of shitty owners.
4 managers in 6 years and it should continue until we get the right one. Look how many managers Chelsea and Liverpool went through in 6 years. Once they realized the manager was shit, they moved onto the next guy. That’s how Liverpool ended up with Klopp instead of persisting with someone like Dalglish. Do you think they care they had to go on a merry go round to get where they’re at now? Jury is still out on Chelsea but it’s looking like Lampard is getting his team playing cohesively.
Yes Ole will be sacked and deservedly so based on his tactics etc. But Ed will be one having to try and find a replacement which is something he doesn’t know how to do. Ole bailed him out, have always wondered if Ole had done badly as caretaker who would Ed have got?. Not convinced he got anywhere near an alternative.
Post SAF there have been three key points where you would expect a competent business to sort everything out or change how they operate. Firstly when SAF retired, secondly when Moyes went and they had time to correct their initial mistake and restructure. Finally when Jose went, they had time and even said all right things about a DOF and finding next manager in their initial statement.
Everytime Woodward and whoever else have just repeated same mistake, it wouldn’t be tolerated in any business yet at Utd no one bats an eyelid. None of it really makes any sense.
A source has told the mail he’s all good still apparently, same source all pointed out he we are missing a few players.
Sounds like they just made it up, what’s the need to point out we are missing players that much is pretty obvious.
Sounds like they just made it up, what’s the need to point out we are missing players that much is pretty obvious.
For what it's worth, i believe that the stars are aligning for us and Poch to join our fates next summer. Maybe we'll get Eriksen as a bonus for the cursed #10 position too, who knows? A club that spends so much money on wages only to get very poor results and a manager who seems to believe that he deserves to take the step forward and work with a bigger budget.
Hopefully, he'll prove to be Woodward's get out of jail card because our dear Ed isn't going anywhere soon since he's the Glazers' most favourite employee.
As long as Zidane is doing well in the league, i can see this happening next summer.
Hopefully, he'll prove to be Woodward's get out of jail card because our dear Ed isn't going anywhere soon since he's the Glazers' most favourite employee.
As long as Zidane is doing well in the league, i can see this happening next summer.
Moyes was never a top manager. Mourinho is a top manager and will always be one, however his pragmatism isn't a great fit for every club. For example, if Spurs had the current squad with Jose as manager, they'd have won something by now because Spurs have quality players. United never had enough quality players across the pitch for Mourinho to challenge.
Poch would be going to a team with worse overall quality though. Woodward and United could ruin any good Poch did in the PL. Poch isn't as involved with transfer ins and outs as everyone thinks he is, same as Ole.
Not replacing Fellaini, Herrera, Lukaku and Sanchez was a terrible decision from Ole. Deserves the sack for that decision alone.
You are absolutely right, Ole must also play his part, and at the moment he is failing. Given the context of the situation - shambolic club and poor squad - I prefer to give him a bit of time, but he knows he is on thin ice. If things don't improve very soon, he will be out.
When he’ll freezes over we will appoint a DoF it seems, it baffles me why we didn’t buy the players in the summer because it’s going to be even harder and more expensive in January when teams know we are desperate.
So even if we sacrifice everything for "stability", why would we give this monumental rebuild job to a person who has never managed at this level before? What if he IS way out of his depth, as his CV would suggest. Wouldn't trusting him with this job be utter madness?
We will very likely never have the stability that we had with SAF, people need to accept that.
We are heading towards relegation and you talk of stability? Are we watching the same games?
He didn't identify jack. One was recommended by Giggs, the other two were names basically everyone on the cafe said we should sign to shore up our defence and can we please stop this 'young and hungry' nonsense? A player is either a quality player or not. Other top clubs sign players and go about their businesses without making a mantra out of it.
Why must Ole in particular be in charge of rebuilding a club as big as ours? Is it based on his history of being a successful manager/rebuild organizer or just blind faith? Can't any other manager apart from the former manager of Molde(a club I knew nothing abt BTW were it not for links to Ole.) be in charge of a club as big as Manchester United?
You can talk about give him time all you want but I wonder if time makes one to become tactically sound or a better manager.
I would agree that if Poch was available it would be prudent to swap over, but in defense of Ole he has to come out and make positive noises the last manager was hung out to dry because he publicly denounced the team and the club. Besides Ole has said that it is a project not a quick fix, he openly said we were looking for more players but this turned to happy with the squad when the deadline came around, you cannot expect him to come out and lambast Woodward for being the feckwitt that he obviously is, or to say this squad is well below standard, we are going to be lucky to finish top half even if that is what he believes.
I think he will be granted a better transfer kitty than Solskjaer by Woodward. More proven in the PL and we'll probably be at the end of a tragic season and there will be more panic than usual. Both LvG and Mourinho were given more funds than Moyes and Solskjaer, maybe because Ed was less hesitant to trust them (LvG spent equally to City after his 4th spot and Mourinho was afforded his four specialists right from the get-go). Plus, unless something miraculous on the pitch or a major global catastrophe occurs, come next May there will be no burying our heads in the sand anymore and no grand illusions regarding the state of the squad. The new manager will demand players, the fans will be fully on his side and Woodward will have to act.
Unbelivable swing on the vote in the last couple of days. Sack was around 43% i think last week
A deserved swing. Look at the facts and it is crazy how much slack we have given him.
United used to fight – now they surrender - not me that’s the paper!
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I loved that bolded part. This year we went in full emotional mode as a club. Players who really really really want to be here? Give me a fecking break. Players from Brasil play in fecking Shakhtar or CSKA and "dying" from cold weather. Do they want to be there? No, they would rather play in Spain i guess but they are payed for playing football. Player is payed to play football. Period.
Since we hired Ole there are all these emotions and cliches about love, identity, Fergie's parking spot etc...we must stop with that nonsense.
Fans are part of football who can be and must be emotional. Club hierarchy must run club based on common sense
Mourinho stated that there were serious issues unresolved behind the scenes, does anyone know more and care to elaborate? Personally I don't think we have hit rock bottom yet but we are heading there unless something changes. We either persevere with the current state of affairs and hope the players discover their fighting spirit or put the plug in and try to root out whatever it is that has caused this mess. I think something needs to change before it gets worse, if we lose another couple of games and end up in the relegation zone the media pressure will be totally unbearable even if you think its unbearable now. Can Ole steer us into clearer waters or has he lost the dressing room? I would suggest, as has already been stated here, that the biggest problem is the Glazers and their stool pigeon Woodward because we have already sacked three managers in five years and things have gradually worsened, yet Woodward , who was promoted to his current role in 2013, appears to be untouchable which is probably due to the fact that he was instrumental in the Glazers' takeover as owners back in 2005. Remember, the Glazer's took control of our club without dipping any of their own cash in a leveraged buyout and now they are reaping the financial rewards. They basically minimised the financial risk of the takeover backfiring with the help of Woodward the banker who structured the deal for them and now the team are mimicking this on the pitch by playing risk-free football. Its all starting to make sense.
Im a little bit torned about this. Been following for 35 years - and this is rough.
We all can agree that the results are bad, the style of play is crap (If there is a style...) the squad is to thin, the Glazers are shit and Ed is clueless...
I also worry about lack of leadership on and off the pitch, regarding both Ole and the players. They all appear lost and deluded.
If Ole has lost the dressing room he has to go. And sadly so becouse i had such high hopes.
But, If he is backed by the board and the players and they still believe in him and his plans; keep him for now.
We all can agree that the results are bad, the style of play is crap (If there is a style...) the squad is to thin, the Glazers are shit and Ed is clueless...
I also worry about lack of leadership on and off the pitch, regarding both Ole and the players. They all appear lost and deluded.
If Ole has lost the dressing room he has to go. And sadly so becouse i had such high hopes.
But, If he is backed by the board and the players and they still believe in him and his plans; keep him for now.
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