No, sticking with our current manager and CEO is. We would fix it by replacing them by more competent individuals.
The positivity after losing 2-0 to our title winning rivals...
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Sounds like you are talking about a 3rd or 4th division team taking on Liverpool and giving them a good rattle , but unfortunately we have dropped a long way in the expectation game.
So keep the negativity on internet then let's hope Glazers somehow hear this, literally they are the only one who have the power to sack them all.
Good luck!
He's really not that bad. He just plays in a team void of creativity. He made a good run and pass for the Pereira missed sitter, and with better attacking players you will probably see more of that. He's no Dani Alves or TAA but he's a very good defender who is athletic enough to play a role in the attacking third.
A truly idiotic thread
if the match was from 60-85 minutes we would have won
Just because you think that in the current circumstances the performance was ok does not mean you now happily accept this as the new norm. You’d have to be a half wit to think people meant that.
I think the only positive we can get out of this is that truth has finally slammed at our face.
a- A brand name means absolutely nothing in football. What counts are the players on the pitch. The players makes the difference not the sponsors
b- Understanding what United is all about means nothing as well. Unless players possess the necessary quality to go toe to toe against the top clubs then we're losing
c- Ole's signings weren't really the best since slice bread. The difference between Van Dijk and Maguire is the same between Rio and Smalling. Meanwhile AWB is nowhere near to TAA while James is mostly pace and little substance. Which is fair enough really. A manager has already too much on his plate, especially someone whose as inexperienced as Ole is. He can't take scouting and transfers decision making as well.
We won't get out of this hole unless the club commits itself to serious reforms and invest heavily on the squad. That means a serious injection of cash, a top DOF who can handle a high staff turnover and new people at coaching, fitness regimen and probably management as well. The good news is that Liverpool were in our same situation 10 years ago. So if they can get out of this mess then so can we.
a- A brand name means absolutely nothing in football. What counts are the players on the pitch. The players makes the difference not the sponsors
b- Understanding what United is all about means nothing as well. Unless players possess the necessary quality to go toe to toe against the top clubs then we're losing
c- Ole's signings weren't really the best since slice bread. The difference between Van Dijk and Maguire is the same between Rio and Smalling. Meanwhile AWB is nowhere near to TAA while James is mostly pace and little substance. Which is fair enough really. A manager has already too much on his plate, especially someone whose as inexperienced as Ole is. He can't take scouting and transfers decision making as well.
We won't get out of this hole unless the club commits itself to serious reforms and invest heavily on the squad. That means a serious injection of cash, a top DOF who can handle a high staff turnover and new people at coaching, fitness regimen and probably management as well. The good news is that Liverpool were in our same situation 10 years ago. So if they can get out of this mess then so can we.
This. Standards haven’t changed. Reality has. Every fan of every team wants to win. Right now is not our time. Hopefully the future is.
Not bad when you think about it. This Liverpool team may be the most successful in PL history, and we drew them once and this game were in for a point to the very end. At this stage of the rebuild and with our available players, I’m surprised we did as well as we did.
Well that's another issue. At their very worst, they always gave us a game and that was whilst we were at our best. Its a shame now that roles are reversed, we can only offer up pathetic peformances like yesterday. We can't even game raise correctly.
Title rivals?
Can a loss be a win? 
There is nothing positive about losing to Liverpool, ever. Never can be. Never will be. We have spent three quarters of a billion quid to make up the numbers at Anfield. How can anyone happily swallow that? I feel sick this morning. Sick.
There is nothing positive about losing to Liverpool, ever. Never can be. Never will be. We have spent three quarters of a billion quid to make up the numbers at Anfield. How can anyone happily swallow that? I feel sick this morning. Sick.
What are you on about? They've literally won every game except one against us, which came around the same time as we were losing to teams like Newcastle. We literally did raise our game against them.
Stop making up complete shite.
Thanks for the quotes.
This post highlights that there is more to this place than teenage girls, throwing tantrums, because they didn't get what they wanted.
Thanks for taking one for the team.
De gea- Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Darmian, Young- Matic, Herrera, Mikhi- Martial, Lukaku started that match. So 8 players for who Caf think that they are dross or deadwood. So how is now, with new players and "better general mood in and around the club", loss is good? Now we rate "good fight and desire" and all other shit which losers use when they lose games but 2 years ago we wanted title with squad labelled as "full of deadwood".
OP is 100% right. Our standards are low like we are some midtable club.
If we had somehow (and it was never going to be anything other than something very scrappy/dodgy) managed to beat Liverpool yesterday, you'd have people on here going "ffs, state of this team - we've become game raising cnuts, small time mentality" and so forth.
Which wouldn't have been 100% untrue - that isn't the point: we're miles off Liverpool, and it hurts that we can't send out a team capable of taking the game to 'em properly. But we obviously can't - so there it is. For the time being we do rely on being game raising cnuts if we are to stand a chance against teams that are clearly much better than us - and this is obviously all the more true when we suffer from injuries to several of our best players.
I haven't seen any giddy "positivity" in the aftermath of this match, mostly people saying "oh, well - could have been worse, we didn't actually get slaughtered" (which is what many predicted would happen).
Which is then interpreted (very unreasonably) by a certain group of fans as a "lowering of standards", a meaningless term in itself. If you don't lower your standards for individual games, in a specific context, you're basically deluded. Which isn't any better than being a blinkered "everything's fine, you entitled bastards" top red twat.
Pogba, McTominay, and Rashford in our side and result would have been different. Really only 3/4 top players away from competing with them. All this talk about them being a great team still has to be proved. They have to win the Premiership again and again.
City, Chelsea, Spurs, and United. will bring more players in, next summer, then we will see how great they are. Yes, the bar has been raised, and the Glazers have to show that they are behind the TEAM.
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And to think others call us arrogant fans. What do they know?
Its still the most important thing.
Standards have dropped with each passing year. Expectations from supporters have dropped too. No matter how much we rant and rave, there is very little we can do to displace the owners/employees/coaching staff. I think most people have a lot on their plate in real life. Watching United has often been the high point in my week since 1997 when I started following the club seriously. It hurts me to see where we are now but looking ahead to the next match is all I can do now. But honestly this is not the major problem in my life. So maybe the positivity is misplaced, but perhaps a lot of us do not want to make the post game analysis an utterly pragmatic and ruthless dissection. We are hanging onto and perhaps magnifying the good bits, albeit they are scraps.
I made the mistake of going into the match day thread. Some strange and outright disgusting comments on there.
Exactly this.
The harsh reality is that our club is in a negative place. We have a right to be negative.
We game rose to a 1-1 draw?
I'm referring to seasons under SAF when they were largely shite but would almost always turn up against us.
Welcome to the world of mortal men. Where your club isn't expected to win every game and sometimes a bit of realism will help you cope with a loss. I doubt any United fan is watching replays of this match to revel in the fight that the team showed, but especially the second half it was a cracking match. And that has to count for something, given the current states these 2 clubs are in.
I'm speaking from the convenient perspective of neutrality though. Well sort of, I still prefer Liverpool losing, mostly because of the endless shower of praise the media in my country heaps on them. brrrr
I'm speaking from the convenient perspective of neutrality though. Well sort of, I still prefer Liverpool losing, mostly because of the endless shower of praise the media in my country heaps on them. brrrr
I hear what you are saying and what you say there is all correct.
However, it doesn't mean we should be patting the players on the back, claiming that we had a good day at the office.
Reading the comments in the first post, it reads as if we either drew or won.
Before the match, I felt we could lose or even win BUT, after the loss, I will just keep quiet.
I'll be damned if I start claiming we did well, after losing 2-0 to f'ing Liverpool.
I think the general tone of this entire forum has been understandably frustrated since the match.
What I do find frustrating is this idea that "standards have slipped" amongst supporters. Standards have not slipped, people just understand the reality of our current situation and for a lot of people it is a lot easier to deal with by looking to the positives.
The truth is about yesterday's game is that not 1 of the players in our starting 11 would get in Liverpool's team. They were outmatched and out coached, they tried their bollocks off and in that game specifically I personally can't fault them. Saying that does not mean that I am accepting of the boards persistent failings, does not mean that I am blind to the fact that we have a very inexperienced coach, that we have invested large sums on a disjointed team that has resulted in a paper thin squad due to necessary departures.
We are in a terrible position relative to where we want to be, it makes no difference to any of that for fans to make the best of a bad lot or for fans to moan all the time. We just don't need to start criticising each other for reacting to the situation in whatever way is natural to us.
I agree, but in reality the positivity also did boost our young team mentality. So we have a right to be positive either.
The problem of this thread is being negative to all of the positive opinions.
What do you expect? We have a weak & unambitious fanbase who would throw a party & label Ole a genius if he got us top 4. Arsenal 2.0
Hyperbole, much?
We have a varied fanbase, which apparently also includes entitled, whinging bitches, who can't see a solid effort from a massively outclassed side.
Some fans who are that fecking stupid, they can't separate a long term view from a momentary snapshot in time.
Are any of our fans relishing the fact we are years from competing for titles?
Or, can they be unhappy with that, but still recognise the effort involved in not being embarrassed by the best team in the world, despite missing key players, and a rout being forecast by every man and his dog?
No one is happy but without Pogba, McT and Rashford we gave them a game and will be back next season.
Pogba - 15 points
McT - 5-8 points
Rashford - 6 pts in two games between us and them...
Pogba - 15 points
McT - 5-8 points
Rashford - 6 pts in two games between us and them...
Should this not be in the post match thread? Or in all the other post match reaction threads? Yes. But carry on. There are no rules that are consistently applied on here.
Do people who create threads like this also think Liverpool's resurgence is down to their fans not lowering standards and demanding more of their team?
Only took the 30 years then...
Only took the 30 years then...
Most factual post in this thread.
Come on now. We've already been demanding more for several years now so only about what.. 24 or so more years to go?
You are right, we should judge every performance by the standard of the 99 and 08
God forbid we would look for the positives during transitional phase. This nonsense of "United standard" thrown around during this season is something a Liverpool pundit would say to rub salt in to the wounds while trying to sound sympathetic. Were they saying the same things during Klopps rebuild of Liverpool when he finished 8th and 4th?
Having standards is one thing, expecting the impossible given the reality of the situation is just being delusional.
the only positive is that no right minded fan can defend the running of our club in any way
even that tosser Gary Neville felt compelled to open his flapping gob which so far hadn't really questioned the running of the club
even that tosser Gary Neville felt compelled to open his flapping gob which so far hadn't really questioned the running of the club