Did you actually watch either game? Last year we were so so so poor. The atmosphere around the club was toxic, Pogba was dropped, Mourinho looked unhappy. This year we were dominated for a large part of the game but we weren't nearly as poor and probably deserved 2-1. Maybe I'm clutching at straws but although I'm not at all happy with the result (as no fan should be), I was encouraged by our performance especially considering the lineup we had to put out.
The positivity after losing 2-0 to our title winning rivals...
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Let's all be this guy and pretend the set of circumstances were the same.
True, which is why I've been restricting my time spent on here.
I like how people like to pretend Kyle Fecking Walker isn't the starting RB for City. Or do you think he's TAA going forward?
This is not true. United pushed for the equalizer. Were you even watching?
You’re kidding right, a couple of seasons ago he was the best RB in the league and was very good going forward. That’s why Pep signed him. Granted he’s dipped as a player in the last 18 months which is why Cancelo is playing more now.
Well, we're rivals in the historic sense, but currently they're so far ahead of us it would be like us playing Leeds in the F.A cup and beating them 2-0, I'm sure they'd be making the same comments about "playing well" and "being a little unlucky" etc.
We're going through a low period, get used to it because it won't be changing for at least a decade.
We're going through a low period, get used to it because it won't be changing for at least a decade.
Yes absolutely embarrassing
Of course the standard has been lowered. People who are expecting too much at this point with the squad we have should be worried about their mental health.
We are not playing shit this season with a 2007 - 2008 squad.
We are a mid table team now with championship manager so all those comments make sense.
We usually had a hard time at anfield under SAF. The games were not pretty even when we won.
And it was when pool back then was as shit as we are right now if not more.
The point is Kyle Walker was never known for being great going forward. He was known for having pace, strength, and tackling ability at Spurs. His praise for going forward was mainly due to how dominant City were offensively and he's simply regressed back to his usual self. He was never known as this TAA caliber fullback going forward. That just isn't true.
He's just setting us up so he doesn't lose his job, this is just so wrong. He needs to have some self respect and do what's best for the club and the fans and just go.
Is there anything wrong with being realistic? Or do we want to be deluded and living in the past?
I am not in charge of the clubs transfers.. There is no question we should be in a lot better position than we are and there is no question we should have a lot better squad than we have...
We went into the season a midfielder short, and then have our top 2 midfielders out..
Didnt replace our most expensive striker, went in a striker short and then lost our first choice to injury. Martial up top then means there is no left winger.
all this on top of us already needing someone for the right wing.. for years.. we are asking a kid from the championship, who prefers playing from the left and should ideally have been a squad player being eased in, to cover on the right.
Going away to a side having a record breaking season, with that squad.. the best hope we had was a minor miracle. or if they totally fecked it up.
Didnt happen.
Do you want people to be pretend mad?
The concern now is not having McT, Pogba.. and Rashford.. We need 2 signings and get Pogba fit... somehow...
Ed fecking woodward needs to feck off.
I am not in charge of the clubs transfers.. There is no question we should be in a lot better position than we are and there is no question we should have a lot better squad than we have...
We went into the season a midfielder short, and then have our top 2 midfielders out..
Didnt replace our most expensive striker, went in a striker short and then lost our first choice to injury. Martial up top then means there is no left winger.
all this on top of us already needing someone for the right wing.. for years.. we are asking a kid from the championship, who prefers playing from the left and should ideally have been a squad player being eased in, to cover on the right.
Going away to a side having a record breaking season, with that squad.. the best hope we had was a minor miracle. or if they totally fecked it up.
Didnt happen.
Do you want people to be pretend mad?
The concern now is not having McT, Pogba.. and Rashford.. We need 2 signings and get Pogba fit... somehow...
Ed fecking woodward needs to feck off.
Pep is not going to sign a full back that can’t go forward. It’s one of the most important positions for his style of football.
Did you watch Kyle Walker at Spurs? Are you really going to pretend he was this considered great talent going forward? And given Pep has shoehorned players like Zinchenko at fullback and City tend to attack primarily through the middle, the second sentence isn't true either.
When you see the quality of the players we have this results is not that bad. But its disappointed that the owners and Ed and co have done this to the club. We still have players in the squad that wasn’t even good enough when Fergie was here!
Eh? Completely different season. At the time Liverpool were shipping goals for fun and we were scoring for fun and we went there and just parked the bus. That’s why he was crucified. Liverpool now are the best defensive team in the league and we are a young team who were depleated with injuries. Fair enough if people wanted to take some positives. Your example is just utter shite and a fine example of the nonsense, out of context, hollow comparisons you see on the internet every day.
That's how it starts, then you get used to mediocrity and start accepting it as normal.
Realistically for an average fan, you just have to accept it until we have a squad to compete at the top. There is no divine right for united to be on top of the table every season.
Just getting on a fan forum outraging about the performance and result every time we lose does not help any.
Many of us have been doing it for years. Didn't help a single thing.
The belief and atmosphere around United, just like any other big club, must be that we shouldn't be anywhere away from the top 3 at bare minimum and anything else is an unsatisfactory season, otherwise we will end up being caught in these transitional and rebuilding projects for years and will find ourselves +20 years without a title like previously Liverpool or even Arsenal.
We went for it at Anfield but came up short against the top club on the planet -- as measured by recent trophies. I'm disappointed with the result but happy with the effort and, at times, glimpses of quality.
But we're short on talent right now and need to deal with that now (Bruno) and during the summer
But we're short on talent right now and need to deal with that now (Bruno) and during the summer
Nope. It's being realistic.
Nobody is happy with the situation. But the lads gave a decent effort today for the level they're at. Even fecking Keane said so. Is he embracing mediocrity too?
We might end up being shit for many years or we might turn it around from next season. There is no way to tell.
Like I said, outraging over some fans trying to be positive in the middle of season with the squad we have does not make a point.
Also, talking about losing to pool at anfield, these games are tight. We routinely got outplayed and even beaten for a few years in a row there under SAF against some of their worst teams. Today result adds nothing special to the outrage. We all know we need to improve. Not just to beat them at Anfield. To compete at the top.
Nothing wrong to be pissed about the result but context is everything. If you choose to ignore that and just whine and moan, then well, you belong here!
I honestly can't find any positivity in any loss. The thread wasn't saying we should lose our shite after such a loss but we shouldn't be positive or thinking it was a good performance either. The result today was expected, however there is nothing you can take out of it or any other loss in general.
Expectations are so low these days , getting top 4 would seem like a 'great' season , biggest club in the world , your having a a laugh.
But the squad is so poor even with everyone fully fit we are so far off the pace of the top teams. It has been a rapid spiral into mediocrity.
But the squad is so poor even with everyone fully fit we are so far off the pace of the top teams. It has been a rapid spiral into mediocrity.
I'll never feel positive losing to the rats, sorry. ...and Souness can feck off can't stand the prick as much as I can't stand his club.
Bootlickers gonna bootlick.
Don't have any standards for the club or have any doubts just blindly support a shit manager simply because he is the manager.
Don't have any standards for the club or have any doubts just blindly support a shit manager simply because he is the manager.
Accepting mediocrity won't help either. It's not merely a case of our players not good enough but more importantly those running the show being so. The longer we don't fix that, the further we will be from actually closing the gap.
Kyle Walker is Dani Alves compared to Wan Bissaka in terms of going forward.
I'm never encouraged by losing. I look at our league position regardless who we have in the team and it's depressing. Not challenging for the major honours year after year, its just depressing. A football club that's its in decline despite the ridiculous rhetoric coming out of the managers mouth about projects and building for the future. We are the now the equivalent in football terms of Crystal Palace. A plucky underdog who goes to a top team and finds positives in the fact we didn't lose by 4 or 5 and on the odd occasion nabs a point at a place we weren't meant to.
You shouldn't be surprised OP.
Plenty of fans who criticized Mourinho heavily are now excusing Ole.
Standards have been severely lowered.
Plenty of fans who criticized Mourinho heavily are now excusing Ole.
Standards have been severely lowered.
Not in a million years. Kyle Walker is bang average going forward. He just has pace and looks better playing for a side with some of the best midfielders and attackers in the world. Even if you think he's good now, that means AWB can still improve as well.
You misinterpreted my post.
I don't think Walker is good going forward. He used to be better, but has declined lately.
It's just that Wan Bissaka is that bad going forward, that he makes Walker look like Dani Alves in comparison.
We were cremated. VAR, DDG prevented a landslide victory for Liverpool. Yes we were still in the match at 1-0 so there was good attacking intent for a couple of minutes towards the end. But honestly, we shouldn't have only be trailing by one goal.
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Champions League winning clubs the past 10 years have all had a great attacking full-back or even two.
2019 Liverpool: Robertson and TAA
Real Madrid 3 straight: Marcelo and Carvajal
2015 Barcelona: Dani Alves and Alba
2014 Real Madrid: Carvajal and Coentrao(Marcelo came on as a sub).
2013 Bayern: Lahm and Alaba
2012 Chelsea: Bosingwa and Cole
2011 Barcelona: Alves and Abidal
2010 Inter: Maicon and Chivu
So I do think a lot of the recent criticism of Wan Bissaka going forward has merit. He is terrible going forward. I really think it puts a limit to your team's ceiling unless the other full-back like Brandon Williams develops into a great attacking full-back on the opposite side(which could happen).
2019 Liverpool: Robertson and TAA
Real Madrid 3 straight: Marcelo and Carvajal
2015 Barcelona: Dani Alves and Alba
2014 Real Madrid: Carvajal and Coentrao(Marcelo came on as a sub).
2013 Bayern: Lahm and Alaba
2012 Chelsea: Bosingwa and Cole
2011 Barcelona: Alves and Abidal
2010 Inter: Maicon and Chivu
So I do think a lot of the recent criticism of Wan Bissaka going forward has merit. He is terrible going forward. I really think it puts a limit to your team's ceiling unless the other full-back like Brandon Williams develops into a great attacking full-back on the opposite side(which could happen).
Accepting that we are not competing at the top this season is not accepting mediocrity.
And, how would we fix it? By complaining that some fans were finding positive after a defeat?
I am not positive, but the same tactics work if James put a cross to Martial who was running with 3 defenders behind him btw! It’s a 1to1 guaranteed.
When Martial again makes the run behind VVD, VVD is almost stopped to but James can’t put the ball in front of him for a 1to1 again. When Pereira can’t push his body in the goals with the ball, etc...
We are failing those last passes and actions because the players are shaking mentally right now. Only a few of them have the strong mentality. But it will come because the club is putting the emphasis on the need to be mentally strong again, and we are reducing the mental collapse. Next step is to have a few technical leaders and leaders to lead the team even more and we should be there.
Ole needs some players, needs to drill the mental aspect with the players, maybe we hire a psychologist or someone to put them in confidence no matter what, and then we need to fix the set pieces issue. Forget zonal in set pieces or mix it with.
Even 2 players can change that team dramatically. Really.
I understand the doom and gloom but please don’t think just because I see positive that I find positive in losses. I find positives in the fact that there is someone right now in Ole who cares about the club and is taking the high way to make it click.
And we need to fire the whole medical team for being unable to help managers with the real assessment of players healthy. Get this s*** sorted out really.
When Martial again makes the run behind VVD, VVD is almost stopped to but James can’t put the ball in front of him for a 1to1 again. When Pereira can’t push his body in the goals with the ball, etc...
We are failing those last passes and actions because the players are shaking mentally right now. Only a few of them have the strong mentality. But it will come because the club is putting the emphasis on the need to be mentally strong again, and we are reducing the mental collapse. Next step is to have a few technical leaders and leaders to lead the team even more and we should be there.
Ole needs some players, needs to drill the mental aspect with the players, maybe we hire a psychologist or someone to put them in confidence no matter what, and then we need to fix the set pieces issue. Forget zonal in set pieces or mix it with.
Even 2 players can change that team dramatically. Really.
I understand the doom and gloom but please don’t think just because I see positive that I find positive in losses. I find positives in the fact that there is someone right now in Ole who cares about the club and is taking the high way to make it click.
And we need to fire the whole medical team for being unable to help managers with the real assessment of players healthy. Get this s*** sorted out really.
We only lost by two goals 
no more.
no more.