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Robbie Savage: Man Utd are the real deal - whoever finishes above them next season will win the title
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His complete dismissal of Martial is shocking
also feck Kane. Agree with the rest.Weird one from him. He used to predict us to finish 5th when that statement was actually true.
I refuse to click on a mirror link.
This is too premature. We are on a good run but one injury to Fernandes and we are back to playing Mata in his position. I will wait to see how we start next season before declaring title challenges. We still have a lot to prove.
Not yet Robbie, not yet.
Way too premature for my liking. We're in great form but I still expect us to falter at some point.
Technically this means that if no one finishes above us then no one wins the title.
Also if we come fourth then three teams win the title. And if we placed 20th then two of our fellow relegatees would share the title with seventeen others.
Maybe he knows about some new rule change.
Also if we come fourth then three teams win the title. And if we placed 20th then two of our fellow relegatees would share the title with seventeen others.
Maybe he knows about some new rule change.
Grealish, Sancho and Ake, and we should have sufficient strength in depth to be challenging.
Not like Robbie to talk sense but he is there.
Savage is basically saying he doesn't see us finishing worse than 2nd next season.
We just need squad depth, we can’t go from Bruno to Andreas/Lingard or Greenwood to Mata/James the drop off is too much.
We really need a good summer to stand a chance, that or be incredibly lucky with injuries.
We really need a good summer to stand a chance, that or be incredibly lucky with injuries.
For us to challenge next season quality needs to come in for quality.
Still think we need the following to even consider challenging
Centre half (few candidates)
Van De Beek
Sancho
Striker (Haaland but will have to wait until 2021)
Still think we need the following to even consider challenging
Centre half (few candidates)
Van De Beek
Sancho
Striker (Haaland but will have to wait until 2021)
I like how he randomly throws Kane into the transfer mix along with Sancho, because yeah, that'll happen for sure.
Everyone is getting too ahead at this moment. We will probably need around 95+ points to win the league ( looking at this and last season) and don't think we are ready for that next season. We need to be incredibly lucky with injuries considering there is no break between this and next season and form will also come into play at some point. We are definitely on right track though and with some better quality depth and upgrade in some starter position, we will be able to mount a serious title challenge in 21-22 season. I will be happy with easy top 3 finish and deep run in next champions league next year with a cup win as a bonus. And About Kane we don't need him not in this universe nor on any other alternatives. This agenda against Martial by British pundit and press is absolutely tedious.
I don't mind the minority of pro United pundits going a bit muppety. Nice change of pace from all the ex scousers
I’m inclined to agree with him. This is no pretend shit. Ole’s at the wheel.
I don't think United have ever finished with more than (91?) points in a season
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I think we have got 92 points sometime in 90s but there were more than 20 teams. On 20 team league 91 is the highest we have managed.
He could be right.We need 3 quality additions this summer to seriously challenge. Defender included.
Don't jinx it please.
Why? Whats wrong with the mirror?
Ffs, what a stupid headline when you're in 5th and 34 points behind the leaders.
Yes, you're in excellent form but you cannot just forget the period pre-Fernandes where you were poor on many occasions. You have a good chance of solidifying a top 4 position next year if you make the right squad additions but right now your squad isn't good enough to win the league.
The teams that are winning the league since the 16-17 season are finishing on 90+ points. We could have 2 teams in the past 3 years to break the 100 points barrier while winning the title. (EDIT: They've also all won 30+ games, so if you win all your remaining games then you'll finish on 20 total wins so that's 10 wins you need to make up on).
You win all of your remaining games and you'll finish on 70 points so you need to make up at least 20 points to win the league you'd say based on the last couple of seasons. It's achievable and it's been done when everything clicks together but I really think that overall squad needs a lot of work until it will be possible. Signs are there though if you get Sancho and one or two more nice additions that you'll be in a great spot to do so in the next couple of years but i think next season is just a bit early.
Yes, you're in excellent form but you cannot just forget the period pre-Fernandes where you were poor on many occasions. You have a good chance of solidifying a top 4 position next year if you make the right squad additions but right now your squad isn't good enough to win the league.
The teams that are winning the league since the 16-17 season are finishing on 90+ points. We could have 2 teams in the past 3 years to break the 100 points barrier while winning the title. (EDIT: They've also all won 30+ games, so if you win all your remaining games then you'll finish on 20 total wins so that's 10 wins you need to make up on).
You win all of your remaining games and you'll finish on 70 points so you need to make up at least 20 points to win the league you'd say based on the last couple of seasons. It's achievable and it's been done when everything clicks together but I really think that overall squad needs a lot of work until it will be possible. Signs are there though if you get Sancho and one or two more nice additions that you'll be in a great spot to do so in the next couple of years but i think next season is just a bit early.
I’m tired, Robbie
how many draws did we have this season?
Savage said whoever finishes above United will win the league. If we can turn those draws, none of which were us scrapping a draw, more like dropped points, then why wouldn't we be in the mix? We've lost less games in the league than City and Chelsea who are 2nd and 3rd.
If we turned 6 of those 10 drawn into 6 wins we'd be in second now. Complete realistic to do that with this team now. If we added any players of the calibre that Savage mentioned we'd easily be in the mix this time next year.
If Liverpool can match the level of intensity they've displayed last season and this next year then that would be incredible. I've only ever seen United go three seasons winning the title and that wasn't with anywhere near the level of consistency Liverpool have played with in the last two seasons, so I'd be surprised just to see them do it. They lost the league last season but just. Any other year they'd have won it. I can't see them doing that again next season, could be proved wrong, but I'd be surprised.
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Worse than the Carragher one , do one Robbie please . Preferred when he said we were rubbish.
Our main problem has been being able to break down teams we should be beating, our record against the big teams is good. The signs are there we can break teams down now and if we add Sancho that will only get easier. I too think we won’t challenge next season but we aren’t too far away if things keep going the way they have been recently.
Both Pogba and Fernandes were missing for the majority of the season and we have both available now which has been a huge upgrade to the first 11. Also factor in the emergence of Mason and that's 3 players that we will have for the start of next season who could contribute to a high level. Had we had both Pogba and Fernandes from the start I believe we'd comfortably be sitting 3rd right now. I'd even say we could've realistically been ahead of City in the table considering the number of points we've dropped earlier in the season.
Always laugh at all these British pundits saying Kane. Anyone who thinks Kane is better than Martial, hasn't watched their individual performances over the past season. Martial has been miles better than him and suits us better anyway.
Saying swap Martial for Kane is such lazy analysis. Martial fits our system far better than Kane would.
I know Kane is England’s golden boy but if I’m honest I see a player on the decline. Even at his best he only really works well when the team is completely built around him. More than happy with Martial thank you very much.
I know Kane is England’s golden boy but if I’m honest I see a player on the decline. Even at his best he only really works well when the team is completely built around him. More than happy with Martial thank you very much.
I know there's been a lot of OTT praise for our periods of great form post SAF, but we've won 4 straight games by 3 goals or more. It's amazing that this hasn't been done before considering the great teams throughout the Premier League.
It's hard not to feel good about our chances to challenge provided we strengthen more in the summer.
I don't think anyone who followed the Prem thought Chelsea weren't winning the league in 2006-2007 after they brought in Sheva and Ballack. We just lost RVN and only brought in Carrick.
And we ended up pipping them to the title.
You never know.
It's hard not to feel good about our chances to challenge provided we strengthen more in the summer.
I don't think anyone who followed the Prem thought Chelsea weren't winning the league in 2006-2007 after they brought in Sheva and Ballack. We just lost RVN and only brought in Carrick.
And we ended up pipping them to the title.
You never know.
You are making it sounds like Lingard/Andreas/Mata will play if we sign Sancho.
I would rather have this:
Bruno-Pogba to Fred-Pogba
Greenwood to Jadon Sancho
Than this:
Maguire-Lindelof to Lindelof-Bailly
City will also be heavily investing as will Chelsea. Naive to think that United are going to make 30 odd points on Liverpool, aim should be to consolidate top 4 again and then the season after look to really push on.
The target next season should be 85 points, then if we reach that with games to spare then we can talk about a title challenge.
I don't mind outsiders making those knee-jerk calls. As long as we're not getting ahead of ourselves it's fine. Mind, didn't read the quotes in full.
In terms of stats I'd like to see us concede less than 30, score 75+, reach 80+ points. That would be healthy. And not lose at home. The season after I'd expect us to have a very realistic chance.
In terms of stats I'd like to see us concede less than 30, score 75+, reach 80+ points. That would be healthy. And not lose at home. The season after I'd expect us to have a very realistic chance.
I think thats a fair expectation for Ole too. I think thats what he has in front of him to do.
Yeah, I think it's realistic depending on squad improvements. If we had our first XI fit and fresh for every single game I'd feel very comfortable, but the drop in quality from the bench is drastic.
I am not too sure about this 90 + points argument.
The league has been relatively poor for competition in the last 3 seasons. When Man City won their 17/18 title none of the top 4 performed consistently enough in the league to compete for the title. If there are only two teams that are ‘title worthy’ it makes sense that they will sweep up the majority of available points.
This year is a similar story. The gap between Liverpool and City is similar to the gap we had to City in Mourinhos second season.
If we make the signings we need to make (like it seems we may be doing) and Chelsea do the same all of a sudden there’s a lot more quality in the top 4. That doesn’t mean we will compete for the title next year, but it would mean that points are more evenly distributed among the top 4 and therefore the winner may not need to get 90 + points.
The league has been relatively poor for competition in the last 3 seasons. When Man City won their 17/18 title none of the top 4 performed consistently enough in the league to compete for the title. If there are only two teams that are ‘title worthy’ it makes sense that they will sweep up the majority of available points.
This year is a similar story. The gap between Liverpool and City is similar to the gap we had to City in Mourinhos second season.
If we make the signings we need to make (like it seems we may be doing) and Chelsea do the same all of a sudden there’s a lot more quality in the top 4. That doesn’t mean we will compete for the title next year, but it would mean that points are more evenly distributed among the top 4 and therefore the winner may not need to get 90 + points.
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How there'll be a lot more quality in the league because we and Chelsea improve ? The bottom 10 who have become mostly fodders for top 1-2 aren't going to change. This is the mean reason you need to get +90 points to win the league, because the majority of the league have become trash in comparison to the top teams above.