I'm not really a believer of a higher power but I do believe in fate somewhat. Maybe it is not fate, but I do believe sometimes teams have a lot of fortune in particular years that it is almost like the hand of destiny is in play. My example is always when we won the champions league in 2008, exactly 50 years from the Munich Air Disaster, it was incredible how it all fell in to place for us to win it, considering we managed to build that team at that particular time, with the draw we had, it was uncanny. Other examples were perhaps Portsmouth in 2008 or Chelsea in 2012 or unfortunately for us, City in 2012.
Do you believe in the Football Gods?
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That was the Gods punishing us for having too much craicI did up until that Thierry Henry handball against Ireland in the WC Qualifier. My faith was shook from that point.
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I don't believe in this nonsense but I'd love to believe that Eva Carneiro got a voodoo doll of Mourinho and has been sticking pins in it for years.
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Aye this, i truly believe technical ability gets you so far in football but you wont win sod all just on that, having the right mentality mixed with confidence and determination will get you a lot further, Liverpool for example, they don't have the most technically gifted squad, sure Mane, VVD, Salah are all superb, but you are not convincing me the rest of that team are superstars, but Klopp to his credit installed a solid mentality into that whole team that helped them win the UCL and prem, exactly what SAF was a master at for all those years.No but I believe in strong and weak player mentalities.
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I believe in the football gods. I just don't believe in worshipping them.
I also do think luck plays a pretty big factor... Which I guess is the actual /serious version of this thread.Aye this, i truly believe technical ability gets you so far in football but you wont win sod all just on that, having the right mentality mixed with confidence and determination will get you a lot further, Liverpool for example, they don't have the most technically gifted squad, sure Mane, VVD, Salah are all superb, but you are not convincing me the rest of that team are superstars, but Klopp to his credit installed a solid mentality into that whole team that helped them win the UCL and prem, exactly what SAF was a master at for all those years.
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It is not really luck though or at least not what people say. Referee errors we can call luck or VAR call, but some teams like Liverpool get them more than others so there can be things behind that luck.I also do think luck plays a pretty big factor... Which I guess is the actual /serious version of this thread.
For instance Liverpool avoiding clear red cards is not luck since it happens almost all the time.
I'm thinking more like no injuries, playing teams at the right time (for example we just played Sheffield United at a perfect time), getting good draws in cups... Or in Liverpools case having succession of keepers throw the ball into their own net.It is not really luck though or at least not what people say. Referee errors we can call luck or VAR call, but some teams like Liverpool get them more than others so there can be things behind that luck.
For instance Liverpool avoiding clear red cards is not luck since it happens almost all the time.
Some of the stuff that happened to Liverpool in the late 00s to early-mid 10s was ridiculous. The beach ball, Gerrard gifting Drogba the ball on purpose then four years later he slips against the exact same opponent two weeks after he does that infamous "we mustn't let it slip" post-match speech...
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Yeah injuries can be hard to predict. Could be they just have a great medical staff plus plays in a way that avoids dangerous tackles against them(don't think the last part). The Pickford one is pretty insane last season. Certainly lucky since noone expected something like that.I'm thinking more like no injuries, playing teams at the right time (for example we just played Sheffield United at a perfect time), getting good draws in cups... Or in Liverpools case having succession of keepers throw the ball into their own net.
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If they are real then results suggest the strongest russian football god is probably a constantly hibernating or drunk bear, or a hopelessly incompetent/corrupt figurehead completely out of touch with the hopes of the humble football fan.
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So basically it's "lucks".
I think artificial lucks happened more than natural lucks which is very rare in comparison.
Artificial lucks, engineered i.e. determined by players, managers, rules, refs, officials, etc that favored one team or certain players. We can make our own lucks eg. continue attacking would meant maintaining the chances of scoring and possibly winning (matters of mentalities eg. 99 final), attacks more and closer in and around the box with paces and trickery would meant higher chances of getting chances to score and penalties (United this season), exploit the weaknesses of rules and refs/linesman (diminish a bit by VAR and goal line technology except for the 50/50 and human errors), seeing problems repeating and doing nothing about it, incidence like the balloon goal is when no one interfere to swap away the problem or potential problem before it happened, shoot many and eventually one will go in, etc etc. Can also include corruptions and match/fixture scandals that remained hidden for now.
^ None of those are 'real lucks'.
Natural lucks are the things that happened bizarrely often by chance. Usually injuries to naturally fit players, freak injuries or sudden diseases/illnesses, or something bizarre like karma happened to certain teams, managers or players for the bad things they did before. This is where the "football gods" have influences. Thing is, this rarely happened and not exclusive to just football.
I think artificial lucks happened more than natural lucks which is very rare in comparison.
Artificial lucks, engineered i.e. determined by players, managers, rules, refs, officials, etc that favored one team or certain players. We can make our own lucks eg. continue attacking would meant maintaining the chances of scoring and possibly winning (matters of mentalities eg. 99 final), attacks more and closer in and around the box with paces and trickery would meant higher chances of getting chances to score and penalties (United this season), exploit the weaknesses of rules and refs/linesman (diminish a bit by VAR and goal line technology except for the 50/50 and human errors), seeing problems repeating and doing nothing about it, incidence like the balloon goal is when no one interfere to swap away the problem or potential problem before it happened, shoot many and eventually one will go in, etc etc. Can also include corruptions and match/fixture scandals that remained hidden for now.
^ None of those are 'real lucks'.
Natural lucks are the things that happened bizarrely often by chance. Usually injuries to naturally fit players, freak injuries or sudden diseases/illnesses, or something bizarre like karma happened to certain teams, managers or players for the bad things they did before. This is where the "football gods" have influences. Thing is, this rarely happened and not exclusive to just football.
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Corona can count as natural luck/bad luck then. Not sure who won by it.So basically it's "lucks".
I think artificial lucks happened more than natural lucks which is very rare in comparison.
Artificial lucks, engineered i.e. determined by players, managers, rules, refs, officials, etc that favored one team or certain players. We can make our own lucks eg. continue attacking would meant maintaining the chances of scoring and possibly winning (matters of mentalities eg. 99 final), attacks more and closer in and around the box with paces and trickery would meant higher chances of getting chances to score and penalties (United this season), exploit the weaknesses of rules and refs/linesman (diminish a bit by VAR and goal line technology except for the 50/50 and human errors), seeing problems repeating and doing nothing about it, incidence like the balloon goal is when no one interfere to swap away the problem or potential problem before it happened, shoot many and eventually one will go in, etc etc. Can also include corruptions and match/fixture scandals that remained hidden for now.
^ None of those are 'real lucks'.
Natural lucks are the things that happened bizarrely often by chance. Usually injuries to naturally fit players, freak injuries or sudden diseases/illnesses, or something bizarre like karma happened to certain teams, managers or players for the bad things they did before. This is where the "football gods" have influences. Thing is, this rarely happened and not exclusive to just football.
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If there's a God specifically for football, then there would have to be a God for literally everything.
I worship the God of kitchen utensils. Blessed be thy fork.
I worship the God of kitchen utensils. Blessed be thy fork.
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I usen't to but then we played Chelsea in the 08 Champions League final.
A certain cnut called John Terry had a penalty kick to win the thing.
Thank you God's!
A certain cnut called John Terry had a penalty kick to win the thing.
Thank you God's!
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AmenIf the footballing gods were real, Liverpool would never have won a title again.
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I attribute that to the Football Demons.Amen
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