At least he has similar goals + assists over the past couple of years as Reus.
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Big fan of astrology as well, are we?
Rock solid argue this. Acknowledges a lot of journalists are talking shit, compare them to ITKs and use them as an example of why we should take ITKs seriously. Erm...Like 90% of all sports journalists then.
I mean, the amount of fake reporting getting 20+pages on the transfer forum here ...
But if "ITK"''s are not allowed on this forum its not allowed
And that’s exactly my point. I’ve stated something that the Athletic have repeatedly said is a none starter and United’s name have been used to try and make Madrid panic and pay the money they were supposed to pay this summer. That’s not me saying that, that’s people who’s reputations and jobs are on the line, and also have a direct line with most people at Old Trafford.Spoken with the confidence of an ITK.
But instead I’m having to defend the validity of something that would be common knowledge if some random pleb on the internet didn’t say “it’s a done deal” and people didn’t want to believe it.
Believe whatever you want to believe I’m only repeating what people who are confirmed as well connected are saying.
My point is that in my eyes at least, these reddit/muppetiers ITK's are just as "reliable" as 90% of the journalists out there.
Hell, many of the journalists in question (Mitten, Whitwell etc., all the tier 2-3's) probably use their own ITK's as a basis on some of their rumours, or even that reddit group.
And therefore it is a weird argument that we can speculate and discuss the journalist info/rumours, but not the ITK's.
As someone said before me , you can check the reliability of those ITK's when you look at last year rumours on Maguire, AWB, and Fernandes.
Relax mate. I don't care whether any ITK or journalist is right or not. I take info reported by both as just fun and games. The simple truth is no one apart from the club officials really know what's gonna happen, but waiting for only official information is highly boring. So it's fun to keep yourself up to date with all these rumours.
It's only an issue if you become emotionally invested in them. When we sign somebody, we'll know that from the club, till then just enjoy the fun and games.
For me this is more a Magurie situation. In that 1) For a cheaper valuation others would be interested, but they aren't so we have an open run. 2) He seems set on coming to us. 3) The personal terms were reported to be agreed already. 4) He's keeping relatively professional, not making public remarks like a twat, but making it known internally to the right channels that it's time to move on.
Theres different ITK that are definetley ITK every season.. We mean it this time.
Theres a clown on there dishing out international transfer news ffs
What happened to that x something plank that was always pushed forward on here?
Theres a clown on there dishing out international transfer news ffs
What happened to that x something plank that was always pushed forward on here?
They are as reliable as the journalists because they base all their made up ITK nonsense on the back of the journalist's published stories (which may also be made up in the first place). Just in their own words with added figures, 'clauses' and deadlines.
Why do these ITKs never break a new transfer story that everyone isn't already talking about?
How sad do you have to be to create a social media profile dedicated to deceiving people?
The sub mods have stated they have figures etc for the Sancho deal, theyre keeping it under wraps until it breaks in the media.
How anybody believes that childish nonsense is beyond me
I think we'll get this done in the next couple of weeks, There's too much noise in this to be honest.
Are they feck!Mark Goldbridge is pushing the Sancho story, he has sources and everything. His scoops are slightly ahead of the predictable timeline as well.
Only problem lies in the reply to this..
Only problem lies in the reply to this..
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They're still a bit scattergun but it's definitely greatly improved. The majority of the blowback here on the caf is people who haven't gone there and read through or seen them over the past few weeks consistently several days ahead of the 'top journos'.
Crossy at least is alleging that they're just pilfering their info from the UWS podcast.
I agree. When I post those updates here it's with tongue firmly in cheek.
That being said, #4 seems to have gotten so many things right that his/her word is beyond doubt. (For the record, that person's on record saying Grealish to us is done.)
I listen to the bolded guys fairly regularly. Never heard them talk about any of the issues that the muppetiers nailed during the corresponding time frames.
When you get a chance, could you please provide any one of the UWS podcasts where they talked about either Sanchez to Inter permanently, Sancho negotiations finally underway, or vdB to Madrid breaking down about five to ten days before anyone else? Again, I'm not asking for all of them, just one.
Any chance we can move on from the Itk chat?
While i agree with the general sentiment that you should not take everything you read on the internet seriously. They have actually already written out the figures that one of the ITK have given them (i think a week ago, something like 80 million punds + somewhat easy extras to get to 100). So while you should definately be suspicious you should also try to look into things before you say stuff.
What exactly is it that they have gotten right?
They all including the itk4 guy were convinced chong was leaving for inter and gomes was staying on.
Regarding vdb news, none of them had a clue about it until news broke from Netherlands, one of them even posted we are not interested anymore the day before vdb news broke but suddenly after the news broke all got confirmations of interest.
We haven't signed anyone, so until we do what ever they say can't be proven right or wrong.
Nahh the Sancho thread is always going to go off topic. Even turned to an Awb vs Arnold thread at some point
Talk of the Devils is Mitten and Whitwell, they do a lot of transfer talk and Mitten said at the start of the season that Sanchez wouldn't play for United again and discussed a bust up between Greenwood and Sanchez in training as the cause of him being moved on. He's also adamant that Sanchez won't be coming back from what he's been told. I'm not going to go back through and find it but I would encourage people to listen to that particular podcast if they want transfer scoops on a regular basis.
Because typically mods on this forum haven’t allowed it and we were just okay without it.
Yes I recall we had a thread where people could talk ITK chat. That worked in my view as the whole thread was taken with a massive pinch of salt and nobody give a feck about it. Leave official threads to the guys who put their necks on the line day in day out.
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interesting. Most people felt Rashica was Leipzig bound.
This is the problem. They were all exposed as bullshitters last year we even had a brilliant thread on it. So don’t be coming in here and telling us how reliable they are based on last season’s rubbish.
This is exactly how clairvoyants work, trick people into thinking what they get wrong actually validates their predictions.
And by the way it isn’t fecking ‘fun’, it’s pathetic.
Fair enough and I'm sorry if it was out of turn posting about ITKs. Someone had been asking about the credibility of the Muppetiers info and I had replied initially to that post, that at least one guy's info has been pretty spot on. But I won't mention that anymore.
I do have a question for you though. You and a couple of other people on here are mentioning about journalists put their neck on the line. How exactly are they doing that?
Every year the same guys post so many "Exclusives" that all turn out to be false and yet I don't see them stop writing or losing their jobs. So what necks are they sticking out? The likes of Delaney, Maddock, Luckhurst constantly post updates which turn out to be false, I don't see them being held accountable.
99% of all journalists just write cr*p so I don't see why their info has any credence on here. Like I said I take every transfer rumor, no matter who reports it, as fun and games until the club confirms it, so I'm not bothered whether any specific journo or ITK is allowed here or not. But to say journalists have any credibility or stick their necks out is plain hypocritical.
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Holy * some very serious people on this thread.
Yes I tend to agree - however! Exactly the same can be levelled at the bullsh*t journo's who literally make stuff up equally as much as these ITK's.
Therefore realistically speaking if we can accept one bunch of liars why can't we accept another bunch of liars? Just because one bunch have a blue tick on their twitter name?
I'd throw the lot into the mix, it all has to be taken with a pinch of salt anyway.
I’ll repeat: this is as done as transfers come.
Anyone else worried Sancho will struggle to perform or under-perform once we get him?
1. He will definitely be expensive. Seeing how Maguire and previously Pogba being lambasted with constant reference to their transfer prices... not just that, even the cheaper transfers eg. AWB and way cheaper James.
2. Sancho definitely have top reputations. Combine with #1 and therefore... high transfer money + reputations = ridiculous over-the-top expectations. Best similar case would be Pogba. Fans are split in the case of Pogba after seeing him perform in our shirt.
3. United fans already have ridiculous high expectations of Sancho.
4. Knowing how very patience the supporters are, and especially here at caf, very merciful and understanding when it comes to new players and especially young players
5. Any new players still need to adapt. If EPL proven, then advantage, but not always eg. Sanchez. Not just adapting to the league, but need to also adapt to different team and our tactics. Dortmund and us doesn't have the exact same system so Sancho will need to adapt and get used to ours first. In theory, he would fit right in, but that's just theory. Also need to develop chemistry with new teammates. It's not 100% success.
6. Expected inconsistencies, mistakes, off form and poor performances now and then. He is still a young player and even top player and world's best players have their off games.
1. He will definitely be expensive. Seeing how Maguire and previously Pogba being lambasted with constant reference to their transfer prices... not just that, even the cheaper transfers eg. AWB and way cheaper James.
2. Sancho definitely have top reputations. Combine with #1 and therefore... high transfer money + reputations = ridiculous over-the-top expectations. Best similar case would be Pogba. Fans are split in the case of Pogba after seeing him perform in our shirt.
3. United fans already have ridiculous high expectations of Sancho.
4. Knowing how very patience the supporters are, and especially here at caf, very merciful and understanding when it comes to new players and especially young players
5. Any new players still need to adapt. If EPL proven, then advantage, but not always eg. Sanchez. Not just adapting to the league, but need to also adapt to different team and our tactics. Dortmund and us doesn't have the exact same system so Sancho will need to adapt and get used to ours first. In theory, he would fit right in, but that's just theory. Also need to develop chemistry with new teammates. It's not 100% success.
6. Expected inconsistencies, mistakes, off form and poor performances now and then. He is still a young player and even top player and world's best players have their off games.
We don’t, though. There are loads of banned sources on this very forum in order to try and keep standards high.
People coming in here like ‘muppetiers’ are real credible people.
It’s very childish.
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I think the good thing is we now have good players all around midfield and attack in the starting 11 and his style of play really shines when surrounded by good players that link up play which we have now. At worst he wouldn't be dribbling past 2-3 players with ease but would still contribute with good link up play
Since we're in the endgame now. Going to put a few things down from ITK 1 and G5 that we were sitting on a bit, hard to verify of course so just adding to the noise and excitement because why not.
Nonsense.
If you should have high standards on what sources that should be allowed, then you could at most use 5-6 journalist. At most.
This forum would be so barren if you could only use those.
Just look at all the transfer thread started from bullshit journalists, with 20+ pages.
Half the fun of transfer season is the speculation and dreaming about what a certain player could bring to United.
So dont pretend its such a high standard in here, or take it so goddamn serious.
EDIT: I agree that ITK's are usually the most far-fetched since they in theory can be created by anyone, i get that.
But thats just an opinion many have that these are reliable, just as much as most of the journalist.
Yeah in the past we have made a good signing and expected that one signing to solve all our problems and the expectation levels have been huge and so they should at a club like utd. But we now have a few good players in the forward positions so the burden is not just one single players to score or create which will help him no doubt and also having such a varied attack where the threat can come from anywhere makes it difficult for teams to mark out a single player. I can't wait to see all the different combinations we can have from midfield to the front.
Yeah listen I understand the want to keep the sources credible but if that's the case then we should ban every source other than what 3 journo's? And let's be honest even those reliable few only confirm things once transfers are more or less totally done and dusted more often than not.
It's childish to read into almost anything any journalist writes when it comes to transfers. I very much doubt Ed would hand out information to any paper whatsoever. If you look at it that way then there is likely to be an ITK out there that does know far more than any paper ever will. But of course we can't identify the true ITK's so it's a non starter if all we want is 'reliable' sources.
Great analysis and thanks for sharing. It makes perfect sense and is one of a few reasons why ext season is also unlikely to lead to a sustained title challenge (which I'm also OK with). I agree that familiarity will lead to his successful adjustment, and we'll see really special things from 2021/22.
Has anyone on this thread actually placed a bet on Sancho coming to Utd and if so at what price?
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