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If we can’t afford it and Dortmund aren’t budging then fair enough. There are 4 other positions that need strengthening and about 7 players that need to be moved on so how about we actually do something about that instead of banging on about being relaxed and all this nonsense? If you’d told me we’d go into the first game of the season signing one player and selling one player I’d have been astounded. Not sure why as it’s basically typical of us but it does still surprise me after Ole’s end of season comments and making it clear what he thought of the bench options.
 

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Why on earth should this be ridiculous from Dortmund?

It sucks for us, but I would do the exact same thing, if I was in Dortmund's board.

They still have Sancho under contract for three more years and will probably even get more money for him next year.

No way I would sell him for anything less than the €120 million (no add-ons included), when I'm holding all the aces in my hand.

If anything, you should blame our board for seemingly focusing on one transfer target and then being to stingy to pay the money Dortmund has communicated all along.
It isn’t the price that I find ridiculous mate, it’s fair for a player of his calibre. It’s the fact that they won’t accept stage payments and want it all up front.
 

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I've said before the only thing that gives me hope this will get done is the complete lack of any other activity. I mean, we've had little to no links with anyone else.

I just can't get my head around this, the only scenarios I can see playing out are:

We sign him for £108m or

We sign no-one at all

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Is Donny a joke to you :(?
 

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How the hell did you manage that? If I was a newbie I’d be burning all of my posts in here and they definitely wouldn’t be promotion worthy. Unless there was a muppet in power.

Is there a separate thread in the newb section? I can’t remember how it works.
Post elsewhere, this is a place to let your hair down and not worry about promotion.
 

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If we clearly can it would be done. Covid has impacted us more than other clubs.
I disagree with this. It's a fact that we were one of the clubs that could take advantage of the transfer market in this covid environment. Ole even said it himself. I mean the club didn't furlough any staff and there was no wage cuts. So we clearly can afford it. Your argument is just a pathetic excuse for the board's ineptitude in the transfer market.
 

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He also mentioned that Uniteds other transfer business has been on 'standby' for weeks now due to the working on Sancho which is crazy according to him (it is) when they've always known what dortmund want and could've moved on to other targets

The 'masterclass' statement from BVB illustrates that they are equally engaging participants as United. I've maintained all along that it will be a massive financial risk for BVB to retain Sancho on their books for next season and that BVB want to sell just as much as United want to buy.

It's also not quite as simple as United coming back next summer; if we choose plan B and invest in other players, it’s doubtful that United can generate so much extra profit next season to buy him. What happens to the RW we bought this window?

It's getting very close now to the brinksmanship tipping point, and BVB will be gutted if they push us so far that we truly walk away and spend our cash with other clubs. That would be a DisasterClass for them.
 
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I disagree with this. It's a fact that we were one of the clubs that could take advantage of the transfer market in this covid environment. Ole even said it himself. I mean the club didn't furlough any staff and there was no wage cuts. So we clearly can afford it. Your argument is just a pathetic excuse for the board's ineptitude in the transfer market.
His point was he hoped other clubs would offload players for a discounted rate due do desperate need for cash, hence make them available within our budget.
 

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The 'masterclass' statement from BVB illustrates that they are equally engaging participants as United. I've maintained all along that it will be a massive financial risk for BVB to retain Sancho on their books for next season and that BVB want to sell just as much as United want to buy.

It's also not quite as simple as United coming back next summer; if we choose plan B and invest in other players, can the club generate so much extra profit next to buy him? What happens to the RW we bought this window?

It's getting very close now to the brinksmanship tipping point, and BVB will be gutted if they push us so far, that we truly choose to walk away and spend our cash with other clubs.
Basically all those tweets seem to confirm to me that Dortmund is actively feeding the trolls so to speak. A master class by Dortmund if they can get the money... Ffs.
 

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The 'masterclass' statement from BVB illustrates that they are equally engaging participants as United. I've maintained all along that it will be a massive financial risk for BVB to retain Sancho on their books for next season and that BVB want to sell just as much as United want to buy.

It's also not quite as simple as United coming back next summer; if we choose plan B and invest in other players, can the club generate so much extra profit next to buy him? What happens to the RW we bought this window?

It's getting very close now to the brinksmanship tipping point, and BVB will be gutted if they push us so far, that we truly choose to walk away and spend our cash with other clubs.
Yep, I think this too. It's a game of chicken at the moment and someone has to blink first. Dortmund don't really want to keep him and potentially lose Haaland and Sancho next summer in one go do they? How is that good PR for a club that has ambitions to win a title all of a sudden?
 

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Yep, I think this too. It's a game of chicken at the moment and someone has to blink first. Dortmund don't really want to keep him and potentially lose Haaland and Sancho next summer in one go do they? How is that good PR for a club that has ambitions to win a title all of a sudden?
And assuming BVB are very keen to seek and this is all negotiating posture, losing this game of chicken is a massive loss for them as their isn’t another buyer in the market.

We are entering squeaky bum time!
 

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Haaland’s team pulled off a blinder by adding the buyout clause in to the contract. Any young player thinking of signing for Dortmund should do the same moving forward.
 

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And assuming BVB are very keen to seek and this is all negotiating posture, losing this game of chicken is a massive loss for them as their isn’t another buyer in the market.

We are entering squeaky bum time!
I can see Dortmund relenting to staggered pay +add ons etc... But don't see them wavering from the full amount.

They've made such a strong stance on this that if they accept less it could impact any future negotiations they take part in.
 

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I've maintained all along that it will be a massive financial risk for BVB to retain Sancho on their books for next season and that BVB want to sell just as much as United want to buy.
I'm not sure how keeping Sancho for one more year is a financial risk for Dortmund because next year they will get the same amount for him.
Furthermore if Dortmund were keen to still sell they wouldn't have made those statements. If they now sell they will look like complete buffons.
It's understandable that most here see this transfer from the United perspective but to be objective and realistic you also have to see it from their side.
 

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Pay the fee, pay the fee Man United. Pay the fee, pay the fee I say. Pay the fee pay the fee Man United, doing transfers the Woodward way.
 

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Not this muppet, I’ve been calling Fab a complete fraud for the past couple of months so I’m immune to his ‘transfer news’ :D
All of these tweeters are frauds. They are selling the idea that they are all connected, and the fans are buying it. What they actually are is a manipulation tool for agents
 

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Yep, I think this too. It's a game of chicken at the moment and someone has to blink first. Dortmund don't really want to keep him and potentially lose Haaland and Sancho next summer in one go do they? How is that good PR for a club that has ambitions to win a title all of a sudden?
I can 100 percent see Dortmund keeping him till next summer. I firmly believe that we won’t get him if we don’t pay the €120.

If they lose him and Haaland next summer they’ll still have a shite load of cash and a decent enough team and scouts to make sure their ship keeps going forward.

They can say what they like about keeping him, but if we cough up what they value him at then we will get him.

I think the only ones who’ll look silly here is us. Even if we get him at a last day panic situation it’s still embarrassing as to how we do things.
 

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I can see Dortmund relenting to staggered pay +add ons etc... But don't see them wavering from the full amount.
They've made such a strong stance on this that if they accept less it could impact any future negotiations they take part in.
Can they really afford to let us walk away and be stuck with such a precious but risky financial asset?

The total theoretical number will end up being close to £108m, but I suspect United will end up winning as some of that will be fanciful win-win add ons like winning CL or winning Balon D'or.
 

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Selling a player means winning the title for them. Had a good laugh.
 

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Pay the fee, pay the fee Man United. Pay the fee, pay the fee I say. Pay the fee pay the fee Man United, doing transfers the Woodward way.
A bit like Kirsty Allsopp when she celebrates securing a property for above asking price!
 

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I'm not sure how keeping Sancho for one more year is a financial risk for Dortmund because next year they will get the same amount for him.
Furthermore if Dortmund were keen to still sell they wouldn't have made those statements. If they now sell they will look like complete buffons.
It's understandable that most here see this transfer from the United perspective but to be objective and realistic you also have to see it from their side.
Please provide some factual evidence to show who can afford to pay next summer and how they generate those funds.
 

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Yep, I think this too. It's a game of chicken at the moment and someone has to blink first. Dortmund don't really want to keep him and potentially lose Haaland and Sancho next summer in one go do they? How is that good PR for a club that has ambitions to win a title all of a sudden?
Well they wouldn’t because Haaland’s clause comes into effect in 2022. (Some reports say 2021, but the more reputable sources closer to Dortmund say 2022).
 

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He also mentioned that Uniteds other transfer business has been on 'standby' for weeks now due to the working on Sancho which is crazy according to him (it is) when they've always known what dortmund want and could've moved on to other targets

Dortmund are gonna win the transfer Cup if we cough up the money. That’s what he’s saying.
 

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Please provide some factual evidence to show who can afford to pay next summer and how they generate those funds.
I can't provide factual evidence, it's just my opinion. But if United don't spend big this window then I would be very surprised if they can't afford it.
What is the maximum Dortmund can expect next year in your view?
 

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Best thing that can happen to us in the Sancho deal is happening.....

Tomorrow, Klopp with his fecking white teeth and dumbass hat stands next to Thiago, then in the afternoon, Mourinho welcomes Bale on the golf course as they both look for a good payday....

We look like proper fecking plonkers, all hell rains down on our Woody, as he pulls his finger out and come sunday match day - Sancho watches the game from the stands wearing his shiny new no.7 jersey.

You'll thank me later.
 
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