It would be interesting to see how the teat sucklers would spin how old Trump was at election time in 2024. No way that fat feck makes it to then, though.Trump to run in 2024 if 2020 is stolen from him
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Would an incarcerated felon be able to vote for Trump in 2024?or in some sort of way Joe Biden is declared the winner
Some sort of way, like winning the electoral college, Steve?
Depends on which state
Especially if they haven’t paid the poll taxes, err, fines due from their crimes (I wish I knew how to do strike through letters...).
Just learned the other day that it was a Canuck who sent the ricin letter to the White House. That was a tad surprising.
Turn your phone to landscape.
While I understand how to do that (I think), not sure how that would allow me to strike through letters. If you feel arsed enough, PM me how stupid I am & walk me through it so I don’t digress the thread.
He could be deceased or in prison, or else have fled the country to avoid prison time. Also, the Fox News infrastructure and party apparatus in the GOP would have probably moved on by then.Trump to run in 2024 if 2020 is stolen from him
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This ‘The Australian’ newspaper is something. First the Ardern editorial, now this. Never paid attention to it before yesterday.
Not that I think he’s got a hope in hell of being fit enough in 2024, the “GOP apparatus” was against him in the primaries last time.
Will probably appeal to the Dems to make that happen.
We ll have our American version of Berlusconi. Cant wait for the Trump bunga bunga stories.
There’s sworn testimony about such out there.
Makes me smile to see Trump supporters dancing to YMCA. The actual rally was a tired old mess, all over the place.
Utterly fecking shameless. He's outright admitting and bragging about breaking the fecking law..
But of course he wouldn't do that
But of course he wouldn't do that
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what are these institutions that you speak of? the courts have been trending in the wrong direction for a while now and that’s without the acb confirmation. we are a heartbeat away from black, woc losing their abortion rights, crime, policing and the criminal justice system is beyond broken, we are literally watching it happen in real-time as more and more innocent people get killed. amongst the military, big business, church(yikes), healthcare(another yikes), public school, congress, etc i can't think of a single institution that fits this narrative.True!
I think despite all of the fear, American institutions have held up pretty well against A Circus Clown. He is a straight up wrecking ball and, while the damage hasn't been insignificant, I do think more credit should be giving to the strength of the institutions and the foundations they were built on. But I do genuinely worry what would happen in a close election...
He's not, he's conjuring up a hypothetical scenario that he would "never do." Obviously he would happily do it, but he wasn't actually admitting to it here.Utterly fecking shameless. He's outright admitting and bragging about breaking the fecking law..
But of course he wouldn't do that
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There's plenty if them. Wasn't too long ago you could get 25 oxycodone for a broken finger.
I predict he will be eaten from every side of the political spectrum. Everybody knows he's an idiot and an absolute cnut and if he loses there is nothing to be gained. The fun part will be him taking his VP's (kids) with him and leaving nothing but stale piss in the pot.
Dumb Feck about to start another rally. Coming off the plane to a song called Macho Man
Should have guessedDumb Feck about to start another rally. Coming off the plane to a song called Macho Man
2016:Utterly fecking shameless. He's outright admitting and bragging about breaking the fecking law..
But of course he wouldn't do that
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he's been open about how corrupt he is. (he's talked about mafia payments too, in ~2012).
I’m not going to lie, your name triggers me every time I see it. My brain always replaces the “h” with an “r”.
Didn't know Trump's grandfather died of the Spanish flu, bumped into that info randomly today.
Ah, it could have been mythical.
Ah, it could have been mythical.
More likely some STD from product testing. He made his money selling bootleg and use to own brothels.
He failed to return salute the two Airmen at the bottom of the stair. Fox News and right-wing media will surely eviscerate him like they did Obama.
Yeah I think our starting positions are so far apart that even if we agreed on the direction of travel it wouldn't make much of a difference. Your view appears to be that American politics is fundamentally broken, even before Trump. It might be simpler if we took one example.
How do you believe the US military has failed, or is broken? To me it seems quite clear that it hasn't been abused or damaged in the way many people worried it would under Trump. It's an essential institution with potentially huge destructive power that has been kept under control, despite Trump being a loose cannon. If your view is that the military fundamentally shouldn't exist to do the things it's currently doing then that would seem to be an entirely separate point to the one I was making.
Why the hell is it playing Ave Maria at the 30 second markDumb Feck about to start another rally. Coming off the plane to a song called Macho Man
Fauci is extraordinarily resillient. Always thought he would either have to sell himself to Trump or be removed. Does anyone know why he still has his job?
I had a vague idea of who he was before all this. For almost 20 years, access to medical residency (specialization) allocations in Portugal were solely determined by your ability to memorize (literally) huge sections of this book, which was the sole official biography for the exam.
That's a four thousand pages small print condensation of cold hard medical science, still one of the most expensive books I own at circa €200. Fauci is one of the editors these days, so his name is recognizable for most doctors, and I was the type of nerd to sort through editorials and prefaces, hence actually knew what his job was far before the pandemic.
I was very curious about the first White House briefing on Covid and saw it live. When I noticed Fauci was among them I was enraged, as I assumed he was going to toe the line. And indeed, as soon as he opened his mouth it was confirmed, he seemed to be reinforcing Trump's idea that Covid was harmless and wouldn't hurt the USA.
However, his last intervention on that day was curious... When asked whether people should still go on cruises - Trump had just said people should change none of those plans - he went on a nervous and disorganized ramble of the sort "You can go on cruises, but I personally don't like cruises and I can't understand why would someone want to go on one" (words might not have been exactly these, but thereabouts).
I was a bit confused but the following days it became clear he was fully aware (and terrified) of the situation and just trying to gain time to do his job and avoid being replaced by some incompetent sycophant. I found that comendable but ultimately destined to fail. I am very suprised that not only he has kept his job, but has also been able to be more and more frontal in his criticism of Trump.
Anyone knows why is this? Does Trump lack the political authority to mess with his position? It makes no sense to me.
In a way I understand what @Brwned meant above, this might be a sign of the strenght of intitutions as some sort of counter-power to Trump. Though I think for Western standards Trump has a level of leeway (and hence ability) to mess things far more than what 4 years of government and a minority win should provide. Most western european countries have far far more effective counter-powers in place.
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As you said, Fauci kept his criticism subtle in the early months, and he has only gotten more open in his criticism in recent months.
Firing him this late in the Presidency would be a massive own-goal and let Fauci make the round of all tv stations and blame Trump squarely for the US' covid crisis.
Firing him this late in the Presidency would be a massive own-goal and let Fauci make the round of all tv stations and blame Trump squarely for the US' covid crisis.
well, the u.s. military doesn't have a wage a full scale war to remind us of its disgusting presence. be it via drone strikes(iraq, somalia, afghanistan, syria) or through mere sanctions(iran) it still manages of kill thousands of innocent civilians who have little or no power to oppose them. as to your earlier point, i was curious to know which institutions you think were actually holding up? because i was struggling to think of one.
He can't fire him apparently - https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/13/politics/can-trump-fire-fauci/index.htmlFauci is extraordinarily resillient. Always thought he would either have to sell himself to Trump or be removed. Does anyone know why he still has his job?
I had a vague idea of who he was before all this. For almost 20 years, access to medical residency (specialization) allocations in Portugal were solely determined by your ability to memorize (literally) huge sections of this book, which was the sole official biography for the exam.
That's a four thousand pages small print condensation of cold hard medical science, still one of the most expensive books I own at circa €200. Fauci is one of the editors these days, so his name is recognizable for most doctors, and I was the type of nerd to sort through editorials and prefaces, hence actually knew what his job was far before the pandemic.
I was very curious about the first White House briefing on Covid and saw it live. When I noticed Fauci was among them I was enraged, as I assumed he was going to toe the line. And indeed, as soon as he opened his mouth it was confirmed, he seemed to be reinforcing Trump's idea that Covid was harmless and wouldn't hurt the USA.
However, his last intervention on that day was curious... When asked whether people should still go on cruises - Trump had just said people should change none of those plans - he went on a nervous and disorganized ramble of the sort "You can go on cruises, but I personally don't like cruises and I can't understand why would someone want to go on one" (words might not have been exactly these, but thereabouts).
I was a bit confused but the following days it became clear he was fully aware (and terrified) of the situation and just trying to gain time to do his job and avoid being replaced by some incompetent sycophant. I found that comendable but ultimately destined to fail. I am very suprised that not only he has kept his job, but has also been able to be more and more frontal in his criticism of Trump.
Anyone knows why is this? Does Trump lack the political authority to mess with his position? It makes no sense to me.
In a way I understand what @Brwned meant above, this might be a sign of the strenght of intitutions as some sort of counter-power to Trump. Though I think for Western standards Trump has a level of leeway (and hence ability) to mess things far more than what 4 years of government and a minority win should provide. Most western european countries have far far more effective counter-powers in place.
Yeah, so that gets to the heart of the issue. While I largely share your view that the US military is often a destructive force in the world, and the US would be better if it cut the military budget significantly and reinvested it in e.g. education, that doesn't shape my view of whether it's strong or successful by it's own standards.
Despite Trump and Obama ostensibly having very different foreign policy objectives, the difference in military performance is minimal. Despite it being one of the things that the president has most direct control over, it is often subject to very little change. That's largely explained by the strength of the institution.
So while you are assessing the strength of institutions through its ability to be a force for good, I'm judging the strength of the institutions by their ability to maintain a steady presence in the face of turbulent political winds. I think most major institutions have held up very well given Trump's desire to undermine so many of them in wildly inconsistent ways. Things will need to be repaired but I think it's a long, long way from the dystopian scenarios that were often suggested in here.
FFS, now you've infected me. Hopefully I'll forget.
that's imperialism though. irrespective of who is in charge, the empire will continue to expand far and wide. and anyone who opposes it is the enemy. what you are describing as 'strength' is basically second nature to such institutions. it'd be akin to me saying, wow these big banks are really something else. they somehow seem to survive every cycle of economic downturn. how do they even do that?!
personally, i don't think the u.s. military has ever been or will be a force for good. so i don't judge it on those terms at all. unless your point is about the banality of evil, the military is functioning like it always has and will continue to do so. as to your point about dystopian scenarios, it really depends on who you talk to. most people don't vote for the very reason that these institutions fail to protect them time and again.
Ah shit, he probably wouldn't even win the GOP ticket in 2024.
Institutional strength is an important factor in whether those institutions survive against significant challenges, like Trump, and many institutions have failed because they were weak. Empires fail, after all, and in most cases you can attribute that to institutional weakness. The dystopian scenarios I'm referring to related to these institutions becoming dysfunctional in an entirely new way, because the US hasn't faced something like Trump before, which would have all sort of disastrous ripple effects - or so it was claimed. They plainly haven't materialised. It's another indicator that the president doesn't matter quite as much as most people assume. The alternative explanation is that Trump was just incredibly incompetent at achieving his goals, or the goals that people imagined he would have were almost entirely fictional. I'd say it's a combination of all three.
Other dystopian scenarios in which the institutions actually function perfectly, and their function is directly harmful to society, are an entirely separate conversation. So in that sense, it doesn't depend who I'm talking to, but what I'm talking about. I was talking about something different to what you wanted it to be about.
He's already scoring numerous own goals with his recent ranting on Fauci. The only people this kind of shit is appealing to is his knuckle dragging cult. The warriors for freedom for themselves and nobody else. The reason Biden isn't campaigning as hard or holding three rallies a day is because he doesn't need to. Trump is literally doing all the work for him.
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I don’t think that Trump can fire Fauci. He can remove him from that task force, but then the task force has not been really active for a while. At least this is what I remember Fauci saying.Fauci is extraordinarily resillient. Always thought he would either have to sell himself to Trump or be removed. Does anyone know why he still has his job?
I had a vague idea of who he was before all this. For almost 20 years, access to medical residency (specialization) allocations in Portugal were solely determined by your ability to memorize (literally) huge sections of this book, which was the sole official biography for the exam.
That's a four thousand pages small print condensation of cold hard medical science, still one of the most expensive books I own at circa €200. Fauci is one of the editors these days, so his name is recognizable for most doctors, and I was the type of nerd to sort through editorials and prefaces, hence actually knew what his job was far before the pandemic.
I was very curious about the first White House briefing on Covid and saw it live. When I noticed Fauci was among them I was enraged, as I assumed he was going to toe the line. And indeed, as soon as he opened his mouth it was confirmed, he seemed to be reinforcing Trump's idea that Covid was harmless and wouldn't hurt the USA.
However, his last intervention on that day was curious... When asked whether people should still go on cruises - Trump had just said people should change none of those plans - he went on a nervous and disorganized ramble of the sort "You can go on cruises, but I personally don't like cruises and I can't understand why would someone want to go on one" (words might not have been exactly these, but thereabouts).
I was a bit confused but the following days it became clear he was fully aware (and terrified) of the situation and just trying to gain time to do his job and avoid being replaced by some incompetent sycophant. I found that comendable but ultimately destined to fail. I am very suprised that not only he has kept his job, but has also been able to be more and more frontal in his criticism of Trump.
Anyone knows why is this? Does Trump lack the political authority to mess with his position? It makes no sense to me.
In a way I understand what @Brwned meant above, this might be a sign of the strenght of intitutions as some sort of counter-power to Trump. Though I think for Western standards Trump has a level of leeway (and hence ability) to mess things far more than what 4 years of government and a minority win should provide. Most western european countries have far far more effective counter-powers in place.
I mean parts of the country were burning and he was talking about forest managment. There's a 9/11 of deaths every 3 days on average since April. People were demonstrating for their rights and he dispersed them using the military. A decade ago America could do ridiculous things like spy on it's allies and have their governments defend it, now no one even takes American interests seriously because they're just out of this world.
How bad does it have to get?
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