No.1 for next season - De Gea or Henderson?

No.1 for next season

  • De Gea

    Votes: 264 37.0%

  • Henderson

    Votes: 309 43.3%

  • Someone else

    Votes: 99 13.9%

  • Play both

    Votes: 42 5.9%
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Fanta Stick

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I think Henderson's problem is he currently in the mindset that he feels he has to go out and play like Superman every game because his 'understudy' on the bench is the club's highest earner and is considered one of the top goalkeepers in the world.

He just needs to calm down a bit and be confident in himself and accept that Ole is starting him on merit.

It has also occured to me that DeGea may have indicated to the club that he wants a transfer back to Spain in the Summer and this is why Henderson has been given starts to see how he handles himself.
 

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I've still got question marks on him.

Bit nervy about potentially shipping out DeGea and putting all our eggs into the Henderson basket.
 

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OrcaFat said:
Keepers don’t get any better after the age of 24, now? The world’s gone mad.
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Of course they can. Come on.

But he’s not ‘young.’ He’s not a neophyte in professional football.

His current play is quite good & brings us positives that DDG can’t / won’t attain. He could tighten up his inferior play vis à vis DDG’s strengths.

But there’s a lot already baked into Henderson as there is any keeper at his professional development stage. His errors displayed today will always stay with him, we’ll see how well he limits / lessens them.
 

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If Dave wants to go back home, we’ll definitely suffer a drop in quality in Henderson at least for for the first few months. It really can’t be argued that Dean is the better keeper today. But he can grow into the job quickly IMO.
 

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Ole managing this awkward situation well. He has to have a good look at Henderson to see what we have and if he can be our no.1 at the start of next season. It will also shape the summer conversations with DDG. Still a lot on the line in our goalkeeping department. I’m still saying Hendo for next season and thank Dave for everything but we shall see.
 

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calodo2003 said:
Of course they can. Come on.

But he’s not ‘young.’ He’s not a neophyte in professional football.

His current play is quite good & brings us positives that DDG can’t / won’t attain. He could tighten up his inferior play vis à vis DDG’s strengths.

But there’s a lot already baked into Henderson as there is any keeper at his professional development stage. His errors displayed today will always stay with him, we’ll see how well he limits / lessens them.
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I see what you mean, yes. That’s one way to look at it. But 24 is very young for a keeper and they normally peak later than outfield players.

De Gea probably has gone past the point where he’s likely to make big improvements or alterations to his style and that’s a problem.

Henderson has still had relatively little elite experience. Any 24 year old keeper has got to hope that he’s making a lot fewer mistakes by the time he’s 28. The problem for us is that we need him to make fewer mistakes now, not in 4 years time.

If he cuts out these errors he will be excellent. Question is: how quickly can he do it?
 

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OrcaFat said:
I see what you mean, yes. That’s one way to look at it. But 24 is very young for a keeper and they normally peak later than outfield players.

De Gea probably has gone past the point where he’s likely to make big improvements or alterations to his style and that’s a problem.

Henderson has still had relatively little elite experience. Any 24 year old keeper has got to hope that he’s making a lot fewer mistakes by the time he’s 28. The problem for us is that we need him to make fewer mistakes now, not in 4 years time.

If he cuts out these errors he will be excellent. Question is: how quickly can he do it?
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And how long will be be given to do eliminate them?
 

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There is no next season now. United will get thrown out of the PL. The players will get banned by FIFA and how many players are going to remain and how many will leave?
 

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Fanta Stick said:
I think Henderson's problem is he currently in the mindset that he feels he has to go out and play like Superman every game because his 'understudy' on the bench is the club's highest earner and is considered one of the top goalkeepers in the world.

He just needs to calm down a bit and be confident in himself and accept that Ole is starting him on merit.

It has also occured to me that DeGea may have indicated to the club that he wants a transfer back to Spain in the Summer and this is why Henderson has been given starts to see how he handles himself.
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He's worried about competition and he wants to be the no1 for Man Utd? Doesn't sound good.
 

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Problem is De Gea is no longer a world class shot stopper anymore either, he’s still really good at times but has Casillas syndrome in that he peaked young in his career and reflexes are going early for a goalkeeper.

When Real let Casillas go no one other than Porto came in for him despite him being the best shot stopper around and world class only a few years before, unlike Real though we seem to place far too much sentiment with players instead of being ruthless and moving them on.

Last season Henderson was one of the best keepers in the league but the main difference was he was having to show how good he was much more due to Sheffield United being relegation candidates, for us he may not have anything to do for 80 minutes so has to make sure he stays alert at all times which is what made De Gea so great as his reflexes and instincts were the best around.

At 24 years old and having been good enough to oust De Gea as number one I think Henderson should be given at least all of next season as undisputed number one, we look far better at the back with Henderson as he’s vocal and much more commanding of his area but best of all he’s only going to get better with experience and being a local lad he’s never going to want to leave.
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Don't mind DDG leaving as long as it is not for free. Don't mind giving Henderson a chance, BUT there must be a decent strong backup keeper, possibly like Pope, who would challenge and step in if Henderson repeats another mistakes like today..
 

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He's ok but he's got mistakes in him. Ask yourself, do you want to pay less wages and tolerate those mistakes or do you want to pay higher wages in the hopes de Gea returns to levels where he doesn't make mistakes and saves your ass with crazy saves.

Yeh I'm not impressed with Henderson tbh
 

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I like Henderson, but why was he wearing the cap today in the second half? Attention seeking, I think.
 

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Eternitiy said:
I like Henderson, but why was he wearing the cap today in the second half? Attention seeking, I think.
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Many stadiums have sunlight issues during the beginning & end of the seasons. It’s not that uncommon to see a keeper with a hat on.

Just not a brimmed yarmulke.
 

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The state of some of our fans.

Henderson has done well this season and was being praised last game for his shot stopping (saved with his feet from both Kane and Son - drawing comparisons to DDG) as well as performing the sweeper role well. He's still young (especially for a goalkeeper) and has already made our defense more solid, I can't remember a time when our fans were so childish and after one mistake want to get rid, I'd say it's the fifa generation but it seems it's the older heads who have lost any semblance of the idea that patience is required for some players to break into a team.
 

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I've seen enough now to make a clear judgement that we defend miles better with Henderson behind our backline. We just look more solid and assured that Dean will come and either claim or clear a ball if its either crossed across the box or over the top of the defence.

Which leaves us with the gigantic task of getting De Gea off the books at the club, there is no way we can go into next season with a goalkeeper as our number 1 earning less than a third of his understudy.

De Gea has to go, but how the hell do they get him off the books?
 

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Devil81 said:
I've seen enough now to make a clear judgement that we defend miles better with Henderson behind our backline.

De Gea has to go, but how the hell do they get him off the books?
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I agree. Maguire and Lindelof seem more confident that Henderson is going to do goalkeeper stuff behind them than De Gea would.

Only way I can see us getting him off the books is taking a massive hit on him like Sanchez and part funding his wages.
 

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calodo2003 said:
Many stadiums have sunlight issues during the beginning & end of the seasons. It’s not that uncommon to see a keeper with a hat on.

Just not a brimmed yarmulke.
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Imagine the backlash on Twitter from the raging antisemites...clubs can't even wish 'Happy Hannukah' without nutters going off on one.
 

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Devil81 said:
I've seen enough now to make a clear judgement that we defend miles better with Henderson behind our backline. We just look more solid and assured that Dean will come and either claim or clear a ball if its either crossed across the box or over the top of the defence.

Which leaves us with the gigantic task of getting De Gea off the books at the club, there is no way we can go into next season with a goalkeeper as our number 1 earning less than a third of his understudy.

De Gea has to go, but how the hell do they get him off the books?
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I've mentioned this before, but I reckon we could fairly easily do a swap-deal with a top club. I think the real question how on earth does David get back to Spain? Cos that's what he really wants. There's no space at Barca, Atleti or Real Madrid, and the others can't afford his wages.
 

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I've mentioned this before, but I reckon we could fairly easily do a swap-deal with a top club. I think the real question how on earth does David get back to Spain? Cos that's what he really wants. There's no space at Barca, Atleti or Real Madrid, and the others can't afford his wages.
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Career wise it's a nightmare for him, all the big clubs have capable keepers and I don't think anyone is making a keeper a priority during this Pandemic.

I think the best we can hope for is potentially Juve or PSG happy to take him on loan or a swap deal. Even then I think both clubs would be clever and refused to pay the full salary.
 

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Devil81 said:
I've seen enough now to make a clear judgement that we defend miles better with Henderson behind our backline. We just look more solid and assured that Dean will come and either claim or clear a ball if its either crossed across the box or over the top of the defence.

Which leaves us with the gigantic task of getting De Gea off the books at the club, there is no way we can go into next season with a goalkeeper as our number 1 earning less than a third of his understudy.

De Gea has to go, but how the hell do they get him off the books?
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Swap deal with Ronaldo :nervous:
 

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Devil81 said:
I've seen enough now to make a clear judgement that we defend miles better with Henderson behind our backline. We just look more solid and assured that Dean will come and either claim or clear a ball if its either crossed across the box or over the top of the defence.

Which leaves us with the gigantic task of getting De Gea off the books at the club, there is no way we can go into next season with a goalkeeper as our number 1 earning less than a third of his understudy.

De Gea has to go, but how the hell do they get him off the books?
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I can only see PSG. Navas joins Dortmund and then PSG going for DDG.

Or may be Inter since Handanovic is getting older, Conte loves signing Man United players anyway.
 

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Devil81 said:
Career wise it's a nightmare for him, all the big clubs have capable keepers and I don't think anyone is making a keeper a priority during this Pandemic.

I think the best we can hope for is potentially Juve or PSG happy to take him on loan or a swap deal. Even then I think both clubs would be clever and refused to pay the full salary.
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I can only see PSG. Navas joins Dortmund and then PSG going for DDG.

Or may be Inter since Handanovic is getting older, Conte loves signing Man United players anyway.
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Yeah, possibly. The only other thing I can think of is a swap for Koundé - Sevilla being best of the rest - and we'll have to pay a huge portion of his wages. Unless Madrid or Barca are desperate for a certain player as well as David so they swap out their keeper thus creating space for him.
 

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Yeah, possibly. The only other thing I can think of is a swap for Koundé - Sevilla being best of the rest - and we'll have to pay a huge portion of his wages. Unless Madrid or Barca are desperate for a certain player as well as David so they swap out their keeper thus creating space for him.
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Sevilla & Kounde. :lol: No chance.
 

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calodo2003 said:
Of course they can. Come on.

But he’s not ‘young.’ He’s not a neophyte in professional football.

His current play is quite good & brings us positives that DDG can’t / won’t attain. He could tighten up his inferior play vis à vis DDG’s strengths.

But there’s a lot already baked into Henderson as there is any keeper at his professional development stage. His errors displayed today will always stay with him, we’ll see how well he limits / lessens them.
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The list of top quality keepers who played in the top flight during their 30s and in some cases later is endless; Gordon Banks was 35 when he lost an eye and had to retire from top flight football and Banks always believed if not for his accident he could have carried on at the top into his 40s. In 1977 aged 40 he was voted top goal keeper in the North American Soccer League where he had been playing since 1976. Gianluigi Buffon retired from International football in 2017 though he continued in goal for Juventus, then played for PSG for one season before returning to Juventus.
 

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Personally, I began to lose faith in De Gea after his mistake against Chelsea cost us a CL place.

Then the 1-6 Spurs loss was when I, to quote Roy Keane, began to get "sick to death of this goalkeeper."
 
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