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I see no downside to this to be honest.
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I see no downside to this to be honest.
I was under impression the trade would be once this all clears up/resolves/brushed under carpet.
The only downside at $3M is we won’t do a ‘best mullet in the west’ campaign with Minshew.
As much as I love the build up to the draft and reading all the hype about players I’m not really familiar with I really hate the absolute myriad mock drafts from every asshole who can halfway call themselves a journalist as if they have the first clue.
Just seen one predicting Denver getting Fields at #9.
Bugger off.
Just seen one predicting Denver getting Fields at #9.
Bugger off.
He's also likely to be on the suspension list thing.
Good players fall all the time and teams despite all their resources do dumb things like drafting a RB high.
What time does it start UK time? Doubt I will be able to stay up but might try... it’s like 2am or so right?
I am so fed up with looking at mock drafts from everyone not just journalists. I don't get why anyone would want to see their mock draft "look what i got" Who the feck cares ?
You went down a list of names most of whom you haven't a notion who they are and randomly picked some out bravo
Think the first round starts at 1am – but there will be (endless) build up shows before that!
I've resigned myself to the fact we are getting Jones at 3...
I read a piece by Simms saying that he felt the closest player Jones was like was Drew Brees – but for some reason I just cannot get excited by this pick.
All the 'journalists' seem to go endlessly back and forth on who we will pick, so still have a hope we will get Lance...but Jones has to be the clear favourite for Shanahan.
I read a piece by Simms saying that he felt the closest player Jones was like was Drew Brees – but for some reason I just cannot get excited by this pick.
All the 'journalists' seem to go endlessly back and forth on who we will pick, so still have a hope we will get Lance...but Jones has to be the clear favourite for Shanahan.
Why do millions of people try to predict the outcome of football games every weekend?
Because it's fun. It's fun to watch tape of talented football players you haven't seen before that are entering the league. It's fun to make up your own scenarios of who goes where and what could happen tonight. And no, most of those people don't have a clue what NFL teams are gonna do because of trades and so on, but a lot of them do have a good view on what are a team's most pressing needs and which player will go in which range of picks.
Fields to the Broncos at #9 is not unthinkable either. Neither is Jones falling to the middle of the first round if the Niners don't pick him. All the potential different outcomes is actually what makes it fun to think about the draft.
Question.
Like watching NFL but don't look for/follow all the off fields ins and outs.
Why are the teams proposed trades (for picks) so public? Seems odd as I'd assumed they'd want to keep secret.
Like watching NFL but don't look for/follow all the off fields ins and outs.
Why are the teams proposed trades (for picks) so public? Seems odd as I'd assumed they'd want to keep secret.
It’s totally unthinkable, never gonna happen, I refuse to allow myself to hope for anything........
..... But could it? Dammit!
No way.. especially after going for bridgewater too...
Its not very different than football transfers in England and Europe. Plenty of speculation in the media and financial terms are often public. The only things that are often private are the reasons NFL general managers are moving up or down in a draft, so as to not tip off competing teams that they are after a certain player.
I have hardened on the idea that Miami screwed up if the trade down costs us Pitts and Chase. Especially Pitts.
Sure it's nice to have an extra first, but we always have shit tonnes of picks and it seldom makes any difference. Last year our extra first rounder turned into a backup corner.
At some point you have to prioritise quality over quantity
Sure it's nice to have an extra first, but we always have shit tonnes of picks and it seldom makes any difference. Last year our extra first rounder turned into a backup corner.
At some point you have to prioritise quality over quantity
I feel like the hype behind Pitts is a bit over the top and Chase sat out last year so who knows what he will end up like where ever he lands.
The Fish should be able to land either Waddle or Smith at 9 or Elijah Moore at 18 . Any of them would be good business for Tua.
Thats fair enough but when you are getting down to the last few rounds the vast majority of people are surely picking random names
Cowboys have ten picks and i cant believe we would be picking 10 players surely they will look to trade picks at some point
Oh yes no doubt. I start to struggle at the bottom of the first round, can't be bothered doing more than that tbf
Many are just inferred from the relative needs of the teams and the draft/trade capital of the team trading up. And those guesses are often right because they’re so obvious, like Darnold being traded eventually. You can also adjust for the GMs who have different styles, same as soccer clubs have different transfer and academy development styles. You know who will be more aggressive with seeking trades up and who trades down for more picks.
Much of the rest might be misdirection, like a giant game of Werewolf or Among Us playing out in public. And some teams are better at that than others.
If we miss out on the top two guys i'd prefer Smith over Waddle. Sure Waddles pace will cause issues but he is still a slot guy. Smith runs fantastic routes and despite his size should score many TDs at the next level
Some people have Waddle over everyone at WR. Nothing wrong with Chase or Smith, as they project to be pro-bowl caliber #1 ’X’ WRs. But ‘Tyreek Hill’ types only come along every so often.
That said, your best hope is Atlanta lowers the asking price to DEN or NE relative to what San Fran paid for #3 and I wouldn’t be confident of that happening because there’s other trade up spots for them starting at #6 or 7.
I have the same feeling that I had with Jefferson last year. Jefferson was the best receiver in college and the best receiver in the draft, Smith is the best receiver and analysts are trying to be way too cute about this.
Nah, Jefferson wasn’t the best WR on his own team. That was Chase. At 19 years old he easily brought home the Biletnikoff in a year when Jeudy, Ruggs, Lamb, and Jefferson were all playing. He weighs 30-40 pounds more than Smith at near the same height but is still faster.
I don’t think they’re being cute at all.
Agreed. I would take Smith as he seems to have a high football IQ and is getting more and more comparisons to a young Jerry Rice when he hit the league in 84.
And I disagree, I think that he was the best route runner with great hands and pretty good speed, his skills were the most obviously translatable. But lets say that you argument about the award is correct then Smith is the better receiver why would people bring Waddle.
I think Chase was a touch better when they were both playing two seasons ago, but not by much. At the end of the day, where someone gets drafted in the first often doesn't reflect how good they will be. Last year Ruggs was taken at #12 and was significantly outperformed by Lamb (#17) and Jefferson (#22). So don't be surprised if someone like Marshall, Moore or St. Brown end up being the surprise best WRs a year or two from now.
Waddle was outpacing Smith last season statistically before his injury. He is almost as fast as Ruggs but a much better overall receiver.
Smith has better career stats, his average catches have more depth and he has higher market shares. On thing that I believe is important here is that Smith has significantly more volume which means that his production is more reliable but market share is also a good way to predict who is better when you are judging too receivers with stats that are relatively close. Now Smith weight is an issue with stronger NFL corners, Chase's size and lack of separation could be an issue too, hopefully he isn't a faster Treadwell, while Waddle low usage should put a question mark over his head.
Fair to point that out. But when Smith took over as clear WR1 he really ran with it. What he did the national championship game will never be forgotten - and he did it all in the first half!
But as much as I love Smith, Pitts is a freak of nature. If we lose out on Pitts after trading down it will hurt my soul
I’m wary of others tiring of this debate, so I’ll just stop here with my silly player comps:
Chase: CeeDee on steroids, or Anquan Boldin with wheels
Waddle: Tyreek Hill and Steve Smith somehow made a baby but raised it with anger management courses
Smith: Marvin Harrison cloned himself with the help of a miracle from Tony Dungy and supplemented it with DNA from OBJ and Jerry Rice
I've almost completely skipped the mock drafts this year. Load of clickbait shite. But there will still be '2022 early mocks' on Sunday morning.... with future top 5 picks going in the 4th round.
I say almost completely because I still glance at Daniel Jeremiah's
I like that.
Though Waddle's usage and volume makes wary of a comparison with Tyreek Hill, Hill had 102 rush attempts and 31 receptions in 2014. Also I think that they are talented, I'm not suggesting that the others are duds.
DJ is good because he doesn’t pretend to be an expert scout; he just relies on what he hears.
That said, if Howell, Rattler, Thibodeaux, and Stingley don’t get in the top 10 then forget about whatever way-too-early mock draft that is.
I do get the appeal of Waddle's speed and understand the comparisons to Hill - though personally I think Hill is a one off.
But even if Waddle is a Hill style WR, is Miami's co-OC Dreamteam
with their Gailey influenced scheme and playbook really going to get the best out of him?
But even if Waddle is a Hill style WR, is Miami's co-OC Dreamteam
with their Gailey influenced scheme and playbook really going to get the best out of him?The closer we are from the draft, the more I question the Viking's common sense.
I'm convinced we're not taking Jones at 3. In fact, I've convinced myself we're getting Fields.
I noted that Mullens seems to have said his goodbyes as well. Jimmy G dropping to 2nd string?
Just watched the ESPN QB1 show where Herbstreit interviewed Trevor Lawrence, Mac Jones and Zach Wilson. Football ability aside, just based on their demeanors... I would be weary of picking Mac Jones. Lawrence comes across as very polished, if not a little vanilla. Zach Wilson seemed the most engaging and likable.
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