Second jab done, 1 hour and a half in I'm suddenly feeling very well, as in the very well you get feeling before getting ill. My air waves are ultra clear and my sciatica has completely cleared up. I think I'm going to get battered from the side effects something tells me this time.
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Always look on the bright side eh
I think a lot of this is regional councils messing about. Marche for example currently has 60,000 doses unused - but they say they're running out? Lombardy is running at around 100k per day and doesn't show any signs of slowing down.
Just booked mine. Next Friday and second one at the start of August. Got to jump on a train to Colchester which isn't too far away as they're not doing first jabs in this town at the mo.
We'll see. So far so good. Mrs just got her second booked for tomorrow.Always look on the bright side eh
How are they going to manage these regional variations? Any plans for internal travel restrictions?
In the UK, when are under 30s going to be offered the vaccine and which brand will be offered? Is any of this known yet?
Currently they're being offered Moderna/Pfizer, but there's not much of either of those around. Pfizer in particular is being used mostly for second doses, and that will continue through May. My 21 year old niece has been offered the jab (as a carer for her mum) but hasn't been offered an actual timeslot - the website booking system is showing AZ only as a first dose option in this area. She did actually book an AZ appointment, but was told (when she arrived at the site) to go home again, and just keep trying the booking system.
The numbers still say that everyone can have a first jab by the end of July. That's without adding in any new suppliers.
Novavax may finally start contributing in June/July, maybe others (like Curevac or J&J) as well - but until they're approved and the stock is in place no one knows if they'll actually help bring that end July date forward.
There's also the possibility that AZ and J&J may get phased out of the plan which could change the timeline in the other direction.
There is already a process in place to implement restrictions if cases rise, so they probably don't need one for vaccination levels. There is not much difference across the country anyway. Every region gets the same amount of vaccine relative to their population and there is a slightly lower dose per capita rate in the South. Italy publishes data on doses delivered vs. doses administered. Those regions have the doses, they are just not using them.
Politically Italy is very fractured. Any opportunity to complain about other regions or the central government will be taken, even if there's not much backing it up.
Same approach is taken here in Lithuania, while in around 95% of regions vaccine take up is very good, my region is the worst in the country for this and as a result I’ll be able to get the Pfizer vaccine this Saturday despite me being in my 20s and with no underlying health issues.
Is it very good? ECDC website shows only 48% uptake for over 80s.
I'm 38 and I hope I can book an appointment in the next couple of weeks.
I finally got to book mine (it's a bit ridiculous asthmatics kept getting punted down the list), but it really wasn't smooth sailing booking. For a start, I have a place literally a few hundred yards away from me that I know isn't fully booked nor catering only to special requirements, yet it wouldn't come up as an option. My nearest one had some close times, but very few for follow-ups (I assume due to allowing people to book across places, plus I'm guessing they are being strict with the timings of the second jab?).
So I had to keep clicking on random days and times to finally get both booked at a place 10miles away. I mean I know it's a government website, but it's ridiculously archaic, it doesn't even provide a calendar view so you can easily pick.
I'm glad it's sorted, but it has been rather less organised that I had hoped.
So I had to keep clicking on random days and times to finally get both booked at a place 10miles away. I mean I know it's a government website, but it's ridiculously archaic, it doesn't even provide a calendar view so you can easily pick.
I'm glad it's sorted, but it has been rather less organised that I had hoped.
My son is 22 yrs old and he has been offered the Pfizer in 2 weeks time so have his mates of the same age.
Worrying news from the Seychelles. Despite high vaccination rates they've hit a major surge in infections and hospitalisations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-56992121
They're mostly using Sinopharm, with some AZ. People are starting to chase the details now. In particular have they been hit by one the newer variants, what were the actual dose/infection timings etc, what can we now determine about efficacy (and efficacy timing) from the surge. Plus of course what happens to those taken ill.
At any rate, the results are so different to those in the UK and Israel that it's an important reminder that rushing to "get back to normal" as soon as you've had a jab might not be good for you or your neighbours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-56992121
They're mostly using Sinopharm, with some AZ. People are starting to chase the details now. In particular have they been hit by one the newer variants, what were the actual dose/infection timings etc, what can we now determine about efficacy (and efficacy timing) from the surge. Plus of course what happens to those taken ill.
At any rate, the results are so different to those in the UK and Israel that it's an important reminder that rushing to "get back to normal" as soon as you've had a jab might not be good for you or your neighbours.
Well, if we were to do a back-of-the-envelope calculation (even if pogue thinks it is pointless) it would give vaccine efficacy of 67%. So nothing out of order.
Furthermore, assuming vaccine efficacy of 67%, they would have 40% of the people protected with 60% of the people vaccinated, so very easy to have R well above 1.
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Interesting, I'm 26 and I've heard nothing yet. I guess different areas will have varying stocks.
Yes mate, I was quite surprised that they were getting it so soon . I am 54 and still waiting for my 2nd Pfizer jab , had my 1st on 10th April.
I wish I could get one. I’m 38 and covid has hit me massively as I suffer with social anxiety, OCD and PTSD. I’ve been told by my doctors and the vaccination centre I need to wait, all the while I have friends chancing it in other places and getting one or getting called when they are significantly younger than I am. I’ve had more time off sick in the last year than I ever have and it’s literally crippling me with fear. I’ve only asked once so I’m not gonna be a pest to get one, I just know it’ll put me more at ease about actually being in public spaces if I do.
So far it seems the inactivated virus vaccines aren't performing well against the variants.
J&J had solid efficacy against the variants during the trials though. Unless this isn't inactivated?
Is it ok to take paracetamol for fever post vaccination?
It's viral vector like the AZ and Sputnik.
yes.
The only vaccines where I’ve seen any concrete evidence for reduced efficacy against variants vs original strain was the viral vectors (AZ and J&J).
The equivalent data wasn’t available for Pfizer/Moderna as they were developed before the variants became widespread. As far as I know the same is true for Sinopharm/Sinovac. Or have you read anything different?
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Report I saw out of Brazil with regards to the Brazil variant. See if I can find it again.
Just intuitively that seems unlikely, because Brazil has virtually only used Sinovac from January through just a few weeks ago when AZ started to be used. And in that period the hospitalizations and deaths of people 80+ has been down, while total hospitalizations and deaths has been up.
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It's definitely a good step, but I'd imagine the number of companies in the world that can make one of the mRNA vaccines anytime soon is less than 5.
There haven't been any updates on the Marche vaccination page for 8 days.
oates has his second Pfizer on Friday (3 weeks after first one), but I've read today that they're going to increase that interval to 6 weeks, partly to get more first vaccinations done.
The J&J vaccine is going to be the global third world standard IMO. I think it’s easier to produce, and the single shot approach is probably the only way to go for rural areas. mRNA will be reserved for younger people who are less at risk and the richer nations who can afford to produce it.
Yup. And worst possible scenario is a generic manufacturer “doing a Russia” and rolling out millions of jabs that aren’t of the quality required. That would be an absolute disaster.
Good news on the variants from Moderna
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...variants-in-trials?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...variants-in-trials?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Interesting that the tweaked vaccine seems to provide better protection than the booster. Either way, it looks like we are definitely heading down the route of annual boosters.
Not that I'm one to jump on Pfizer's side in any argument, but that was one of their reasons for not wanting this to happen (aside from just the money). The NY Times article going step-by-step through the process at Pfizer gives a good idea of how it happens, but opening up the IP isn't going to mean that Pfizer and Moderna transfer their technical knowledge.
You would probably expect that as the tweaked vaccine targets the changes in the spike protein.
Not necessarily annually forever. The variants have arisen mainly due to the huge number of infections. Coronaviruses mutate more slowly than flu for example. The more we vaccinate the fewer variants we will see so we may need a booster that targets new variants for a year or two but hopefully we will suppress the virus to a degree that removes the need to an annual booster. Of course we don't know for sure how long immunity will last so we may need a booster every 3-5 years for example. That said the vaccine rollout in the US, UK and Israel seems to be very successful so if we can carry on immunising as many people in as many countries things might look very different this time next year.
And if the link that @Pogue Mahone posted ends up bearing fruit things may be better still.
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The danger is that it removes the motivation to develop a vaccine if then everyone can produce it without the cost of development.
Don't worry. It will be temporary. We will be back to denying life-saving vaccines to people in no time.
My shoulder was sore for about 36 hours. I was also very tired for about 24 hours.I thought I was being a bit of a puss about my arm but it was certainly very noticeable
Worth it.