You’re literally on a thread about him!
Brandon Williams is better than Luke Shaw
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So which one is Brandon’s natural position? Everyone was telling me in the summer that it was RB, but he looks far from the level required whether right or left. He’s an incredibly lucky boy. He was nothing special in the academy either, but has got to have a run in the first team which nobody can ever take away from him, and a contract that he’ll likely never match again in his career either. Fair play to him.
you’re original post is hilariously silly though, just hold your hands up and say you got it badly wrong, happens to us all
I disagree - this doesn't happen to all of usyou’re original post is hilariously silly though, just hold your hands up and say you got it badly wrong, happens to us all
I was being kind, it was the comparison against Ashley Cole that got me the mostI disagree - this doesn't happen to all of us
People are acting as if Shaw has always been brilliant for us. He has had tough times. But time has proven he's great
Jesus.
Up there with the Regulion meltdown last summer
Mental post isn't it?
"Digging through"
Your post is literally the third post on the second page, takes about 20 seconds of skimming to get to it.It's only a year and a half not 5 years and it is pretty funny, take it on the chin, no need to be so salty.
Football fans gonna football fan. If an academy player comes in & has 2 or 3 decent games you’re gonna see threads like this on every clubs forums. Remember how insufferable Liverpool fans were about Brewster.
I remember a few years ago suggesting we should target Kyle Walker at Spurs & being told by more than one member that we don’t need him because “we have TFM”
I remember a few years ago suggesting we should target Kyle Walker at Spurs & being told by more than one member that we don’t need him because “we have TFM”
I think this also happens with our academy players as they age. They are either borderline world class (Rashford) or supposed championship level (lingard) when in reality they are mostly just average to good PL standard players.
Williams will probably end up somewhere like Burnley/Southampton/Newcastle and do well for himself
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I could see Williams dropping down to the championship like McNair & Blackett to be honest. He’s easily the least talented of all of the current academy graduates we have in the first team squad. Even Tuanzebe (who I consider pretty overrated on here) is a level above him talent wise.
It all depends on him. Borthwick-Jackson & James Wilson both had very promising starts & are playing in league 2 right now. Scott McTominay was written off by almost everyone & is a starter for us now.
This was never even close to being true. The hate for Shaw on here was unbareable.
The original thread title and post was just wrong and I thought so at the time, but Shaw wasn't in anything like the form he's been recently and a lot of commentators outside of this forum were saying Shaw might struggle to get his slot back, based on Williams' performances while he was out injured.
We then brought Telles in and Williams has rarely been used this season despite us needing to rest AWB at times, so that's a good indication of Williams' standing in the side at the moment (assuming the plan was to make him a right back).
Hopefully next season is more settled and we'll be in a better position to use some of our squad players, so if he doesn't go out on loan (which might be good for him) or doesn't get picked up by another side, I hope he gets some game time.
Difficult to assess him this season as he's not played enough and that's as much to do with Ole not being able to comfortably use squad players because of the pressure for results in an unusual season. Too many people are too eager to discard academy players if they're not unarguably world class, so for me it's too soon to write Williams off.
We then brought Telles in and Williams has rarely been used this season despite us needing to rest AWB at times, so that's a good indication of Williams' standing in the side at the moment (assuming the plan was to make him a right back).
Hopefully next season is more settled and we'll be in a better position to use some of our squad players, so if he doesn't go out on loan (which might be good for him) or doesn't get picked up by another side, I hope he gets some game time.
Difficult to assess him this season as he's not played enough and that's as much to do with Ole not being able to comfortably use squad players because of the pressure for results in an unusual season. Too many people are too eager to discard academy players if they're not unarguably world class, so for me it's too soon to write Williams off.
Deary me, he's had a stinker there
Williams has in his favour that he's a battler, much in McTominay's way, if he keeps that determination he has a better chance than, say, Wilson, who, by his own admission, took his position for granted once he was in the first team and, I thought, had a casual and lazy streak outside of his goal scoring ability. See the comments Warren Joyce made about him. CBJ was similar, I suspect, although with less natural talent.
Wilson always struck me as physically fragile as well, whereas Brandon isn't scared of getting stuck in.
He’s supposedly on over 50k a week so I doubt there’ll be any championship club willing to pay that. Our next move with him is either play him enough to develop (doubtful unless someone gets badly injured) or loan and the shop window. Pl clubs were interested in taking him so I’d imagine that’s still on the table.
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To be fair back then Williams was actually quite good and Shaw hadn't hit his current form. I think it was a matter of Williams regressing badly since then. Maybe due to lack of play time or something. I'll send him on loan next season.
I know
The prevailing opinion seems to be that he's shit so I was just wondering if we'd sign someone like Telles @ RB.Shaw was not that bad (he was probably injured) and William was not that good.
There is no way the post would have looked reason at any time.
Disagree there. He's shown nothing this season, but Williams had some fairly good performances at LB last year. Nothing Shaw level of course, but Gary Neville was comparing himself to him at some point too if I remember correctly.
I haven't seen anything at RB from him this season at all, maybe he can improve, but I think he should probably look to take that move to Germany if it is possible.
Obligatory youtube video (shitty music included):
Yes it was a bit of a hyperbole from the OP and anyone of us who agreed back then, but Williams was definitely quite decent back then, at least better than what he does currently.
‘I absolutely got it wrong, no doubt. But I wasn’t alone in my praise for Williams.
secondly, it’s not as if he’s gotten 30 appearances and 2000 minutes this campaign and been dog shit. He’s has a grand total of 478 minutes and 12 appearances. I’ll tell you this, I wasn’t enthusiastic about the Telles signing, and he HAS been dog shit. Personally would STILL give minutes at LB to Williams over Telles.
I think to brand Williams a failure at this point is a bit early. But sure, I was definitely over enthusiastic with praise of Williams in 2019.
once again, you learn in the Caf that when you respond to a poster calling you out, 6 others will pile on. Just best to ignore I guess.
Shaw was very good last season, his link-up play and passing were brilliant as usual.
He just got injured more and we went out of the two cups with rookie mistakes coming from his replacement.
He just got injured more and we went out of the two cups with rookie mistakes coming from his replacement.
I suppose the problem is, Wan seems not to need much rest, so you don’t really want to pay much for the few games a back up would play - obviously the problem comes if Aaron gets injured. I guess the ideal would be someone who could cover a few positions - like John O'Shea and Phil Neville of yesteryear.I know
Williams is a good player but he needs to play regularly to develop.
He should go on loan next season.
He should go on loan next season.
Brandon Williams is a great talent. He did some
mistakes (positioning) at the end of last season which is normal when a player is 18y. Some people on this forum is to harsh on him taking his age into consideration. Wouldn’t be surprised if Williams turns out to be a better LB than Shaw in 5y.
mistakes (positioning) at the end of last season which is normal when a player is 18y. Some people on this forum is to harsh on him taking his age into consideration. Wouldn’t be surprised if Williams turns out to be a better LB than Shaw in 5y.
Is this sarcasm?
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s playing in league 2 in 5 years.
I love it when people say stuff that goes against the current judgement of what we've seen lately. It's most likely wrong, but it's a lot more fun when your right than wrong in these matters and honestly what you're saying is not entirely impossible. To be honest I didn't think Shaw would be this good even just a season ago.
My take on Shaw is he has been one of the best LB in the league almost since the minute Ole came in. If you didn’t notice you weren’t watching close enough or were still hating on his safe days. He’s gone from being one of the best to the best in the last 18 months. He was slowly picking it up again by the end of Jose but it was all just so forced that it was hard to take it seriously but i reckon Jose did help start to get him back on track even if his methods were Stone Age. He needed to snap out of his post injury mentality. What a player he is today! That’s the level of prospect we were buying now almost fully developed. It’s great to see. Technically awesome and he’s obviously got a shit load of character to come back to this standard after such a horrific setback. Hopefully he can stay relatively injury free and keep it going for a long time yet!
Has the OP checked out since ?
His hair annoys the life out of me, could be me being old but it looks awful and he is constantly fixing it during the game. Oh he isnt very good either...
Have you people seen how Shaw played at 18?
He was not as good as Shaw at any point last year or this year or whenever. Neville said it due to their similar temperament.
And, I want William to be at least a good decent FB to cover AWB or Shaw.
We were happy when a 18y old boy stepped up when Shaw was injured. He played well and actually we didn’t miss Shaw a second most of the time. He is now 20y and haven’t played much lately and haven’t impressed when he got his chances; he hasn’t developed much. Development often isn’t a linear line in his age.
That’s why it’s way to early to write him of, as many actually did with Shaw.
Look where Shaw is now. That’s why I wouldn’t be surprised if also BW manage to turn it around and become our regular LB in 5y. He just need to spend some time in the gym and get more experience in order to solve his positioning.
This season Shaw is on of three best left backs in PL, if not the best. Not because he is brilliant or has extreme skills, but mostly because he is a good all rounder; his weakest sides isn’t very weak. He also been very consistent (stable, reliable) and professional. He has played with a lot energy and has great mentality. He also is very safe with the ball in link play and in close situations.
Shaw isn’t a brilliant dribler, shooter or crosser and his positioning can sometimes be rusty. So I don’t think it’s impossible to copy Shaw skill wise. He is not a Marcelo, Roberto Carlos or Ashley Cole.
That’s why it’s way to early to write him of, as many actually did with Shaw.
Look where Shaw is now. That’s why I wouldn’t be surprised if also BW manage to turn it around and become our regular LB in 5y. He just need to spend some time in the gym and get more experience in order to solve his positioning.
This season Shaw is on of three best left backs in PL, if not the best. Not because he is brilliant or has extreme skills, but mostly because he is a good all rounder; his weakest sides isn’t very weak. He also been very consistent (stable, reliable) and professional. He has played with a lot energy and has great mentality. He also is very safe with the ball in link play and in close situations.
Shaw isn’t a brilliant dribler, shooter or crosser and his positioning can sometimes be rusty. So I don’t think it’s impossible to copy Shaw skill wise. He is not a Marcelo, Roberto Carlos or Ashley Cole.
I remember there is a poster here who probably is his dad or his nan. This poster always goes ball to walls defending Williams and even saying he is one of the best young LB in the world. Wonder what is his account. Anyone remember this guy ?
Edit: Found him. Class of 63. Wonder where is he now
Edit: Found him. Class of 63. Wonder where is he now
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