But that's the same with a slide tackle? If the keeper misses and hits the player it's a foul?
I'm confused, are you saying it should not have been a penalty?
That first pen for Portugal tonight
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I'm confused, are you saying it should not have been a penalty?
Basic self-preservation instincts make people not do that.
No because he didn't get the ball first. I'm saying I have no problem with keepers laying out people but they have to actually win the ball.
Easily a penalty...... The France pen on the other hand 
What an awful decision that was.
What an awful decision that was.There's a vid on this page. I couldn't get one that would embed here:
https://www.planetfootball.com/vide...es-danilo-ronaldo-scores-record-breaking-pen/
Exactly - swiftly followed by the elbowCheers!
How is it a debate? He just punches him in the face
This is how it works right now. This was a penalty because Danilo got the ball first
A what?
A quick question to those who think it was a penalty - if a defender clashes heads in the box going for a ball like that, is that a penalty?
Lloris gets a bit of the ball and also gets the player with a ball playing part of his body - no difference from a clash of heads which almost never results in a penalty.
Lloris gets a bit of the ball and also gets the player with a ball playing part of his body - no difference from a clash of heads which almost never results in a penalty.
It’s how it’s always worked. Mistimed a tackle (albeit with his hands) and smacked an opponent in the head. Yes he’s only fractionally late, hence no red card. But it’s the clearest penalty of the tournament.
Note : I’m not quarreling with you, just adding to your point.
He punched him in the head. The fact some people thought it wasn’t a pen highlights how much protection keepers have had over the years.
“he went for the ball” so did every player in the history of football making a slide tackle. If you miss the ball & take the man it’s a foul, wether it’s your foot or your fist.
“he went for the ball” so did every player in the history of football making a slide tackle. If you miss the ball & take the man it’s a foul, wether it’s your foot or your fist.
I’m even more confused.Goalkeepers union.
Then that's surely the equivalent of a close-range block that defenders make every game?
I can see the argument both ways. I really don't want to see keepers getting sent off for trying to clear a cross though..
Keepers are mostly over protected when it comes to aerial challenges for the ball in the box in games.
But you come into that area you might get smashed either way, it's the risk you take. But to most keepers that's never a penalty. It's a 50/50 ball he has to go for, he's just a fraction of a second late.
As a keeper I see that as no different, less dangerous and less painful than a clash of heads as it's not skull on skull.
Are we going to start seeing penalties when people clash heads now?
And if a defender gets the ball and absolutely KOs an attacker pens stillbget given. Touching the ball doesn't equate to no foul.
It waw definitely a pen, and it could/should have been a red card for Lloris. Our pen was not a pen, one of the softest ones I've ever seen. Ref was all over the place in the first half, he was horrendous, he did much better in the 2nd even though he missed that Bruno foul at the end which was a pen or at least a free kick depending on how you look at it.
I mean I disagree but fine I’m not that bothered, my initial question was what the feck is a “free out”?
Wait.. what? First penalty Lloris punched Danilo into oblivion after Danilo already headed the ball. Clear fault and a clear penalty.
The second penalty for Portugal was a clear handball as well. If neither was a penalty then nothing is.
Mbappe dive for the french penalty was shameful though. He tried to pull the same stunt twice later but he realized that the player behind him was Benzema so it was pointless
A free kick to the defending team. A free going out or a free out.
I will agree to disagree with you on all counts bar the Mbappe incident!
For me Lloris gets a fist on the ball, which happens before the contact with Danilo, the handball is not clear, he is a yard away and looking in the opposite direction! Poor decision in my eyes.
You’ve just made that up!
It was a fantastic Shoryuken. No idea if it's a pen, but it looked amazing.
Yeah, all by myself just this morning. I think it'll catch on eventually.
Definitely haven't heard it used before in any game I've ever played or watched for the last 20 or 30 odd years.
Well, I didn’t think so, but when so many saw it different, I wanted to know their thinking. Also should be connected to a larger theme about how keepers seem to get a free pass for almost everything. You have my permisjon to feck off if you don’t like it
I never heard it tbf and I actually searched for it as well and I found this:
https://www.goal.com/en/news/footba...-meanings-explained/lpfi6xqrxtmc1gjoi1e7hc7un
Nothing about a "free out" but it has a few good ones that I never heard it either.
Because everybody seemed to agree with you on that score.
That’s always a foul though. If it was a slide tackle and he got there a second late and took the player though this wouldn’t be a debate. Why is it a debate when a keeper is a second late and punches a players head and not the ball?
I’m more weirded out by people not knowing what “free out” means. I thought that was fairly standard.
Blatant penalty. Danilo heads the ball first and then Lloris punches and then elbows him in the face. Yellow card and dangerous play. Same as a studs up leg breaker but it doesn’t matter as he played the ball for some people.
VAR can do nothing about it unless it’s clear and obvious that the referee has made a mistake. Since there was contact VAR can’t conclude that the referee has made an obvious mistake and therefore their hands are tied.
It seems the bad call is on the referee because he should’ve kept his composure and left it to VAR to deal with.
I think that his point is that Lloris touched the ball before punching Danilo even though Danilo touched the ball first. It's still a fault either way
Calm down Jeffrey!You have my permisjon to feck off if you don’t like it
Clearly it was a pen.That would still be a foul on a slide tackle though, he was late and took the player out. Getting contact on the ball doesn’t make something not a foul.
No, but seriously. I was sure the talk would be centered around how lucky Lloris was to continue, instead it seems about every third poster or so in the match thread disagreed with the foul completely! Now that you’ve taken the time to dismiss the relevance of the thread, perhaps you’ll share your own two cents on the matter?
Edit: and so you have! Good man
Just to add: in the same way that playing the ball first doesn't mean a tackle can't be a foul, playing the ball first wouldn't automatically mean that smashing your arm into your opponent's head wouldn't be a foul. If it's deemed to be dangerous/reckless enough, contact with the ball doesn't matter. Playing the ball doesn't automatically justify anything else that happens in a challenge, otherwise people would be able to murder each other in follow throughs.
In this case that's irrelevant though, as the defender gets to the ball first anyway, making it even clearer that it's a foul.
In this case that's irrelevant though, as the defender gets to the ball first anyway, making it even clearer that it's a foul.
Free-out is standard/common, sure. At least it was when I was semi-fit enough to still play football.
It's not that commonly used by commentators, pundits and whatnot, though (at least I don't think so).
It's not that commonly used by commentators, pundits and whatnot, though (at least I don't think so).
But this wasn't the equivalent of a high boot. No such thing as a high hand for a goalkeeper.
It's one of those genuine 50/50 moments innthe air where one guy is going to get clattered. Nobody's fault, just one of those unfortunate circumstances.
Doesn't help that the Portugal player almost faked a fit of some sort.