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Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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Frankie de Jong is the man for Uniteds midfield. He would be amazing.
Give Barcelona 65 min pounds and they have to accept.
Give Barcelona 65 min pounds and they have to accept.
Just working it out on the back of a fag packet here.
Messi was reported to be on $126m a year before tax, which is €107m.
For the 95% / 110% figures to work, that would mean Barca have revenues of €735m and a wage bill, without Messi, of €700m a year. If you guys don't sell anyone, that means you need to clear €186m off the annual wage bill to reach a wage cost of 69.9%.
If you can generate some money from sales though, that cash will add to the revenue meaning you don't need as much off the wage bill. If you could generate €100m in sales for example, revenues would be up to €835m and you would only need to clear €116m in wages to reach the 69.9% mark.
As to my original question, €50m for De Jong would be nowhere near enough. That would mean revenues of €785m and even with his €20.8m a year gone, you would be left with wages at 86.5% of revenue.
How the hell did they let things get to this stage?
Part of his older contract... its something they (must have) factored in..
Nice work. Barca apparently lost 487 million last season alone and I think covid was the ultimate bomb that destroyed them revenue wise on top of the insane wage structure. They literally have at least 5-6 players on astronomical wages and then this la liga salary cap coming out has crushed them. Years and years of mismanagement, a crazy virus, and internal disarray has led to this
Can you do 70 if we include add on bonuses?
PSG is the most hated club because it has turned into a state-sponsored PR vehicle and not because of what you listed.I'm glad to hear that
I know PSG fans hated Barça not only for the remontada (PSG bottled it 100% but would not have been enough without the many ref mistakes) but also the aggressive transfer approach on Verratti with the attitude it was only natural for a player of this talent to leave and we should thank them
Now the tables have turned, Neymar and Messi at PSG. and PSG eliminated Barca this year in Champions league
Yes PSG hasn't won the champions league yet. And yes it's all thanks to oil money. So what? Would you refuse it for the Barca?
I would just have prefered PSG to focus more on french player (Kante, Varane, Camavinga, Pogba etc) to have the core of the French NT like Bayern in Germany
I am enjoying a lot, although I do not think that their future is so black (because I think getting rid of the veteran star is the logical thing to do, because I think the super league is going to happen, because la masía produces good material as soon as it wakes up)
They have been blinded with Messi as they have never done before.
The president of la liga seems to go against Madrid and Barcelona, both attacking them in public and going against their projects, it is difficult to feel empathy.
On the issue of the quality of the league, I still have the same interest in a Rayo-Levante as before Messi left but surely I would watch it. I followed it all my life and I am trapped.
A deal like CVC but with better conditions would be fine.
How long has this ratio been enforced? Realistically, revenue drops as a result of covid is a more likely factor to a high ratio than wages spiralling out of control.
I don't think it's a fixed ratio. It is the ratio La Liga have imposed on Barcelona as a result of their examination of the clubs individual accounts.
Oh...
The day they go bankrupt you will see me streaking naked across the globe
Let's be honest, nothing is going to come from this.
- Players won't take pay cuts
- No significant player will be sold (beyond Messi)
- Players will somehow be allowed to be registered
If this wasn't the case, then surely there would be more urgency to get rid of players.
- Players won't take pay cuts
- No significant player will be sold (beyond Messi)
- Players will somehow be allowed to be registered
If this wasn't the case, then surely there would be more urgency to get rid of players.
If it is, it's deferred payment from the previous contract
Not only should the players not agree to the paycuts, why in the name of pink fluffy feck bubbles would a player take a paycut to allow a player who plays in his position and will take playing time from him to be registered
Maybe we should tempt Aguero to join us. Then put him on the bench anyway.
Man Utd should try to sign De Jong and Pedi, I know the Barcelona fans wouldn't want that to happen but could raise alot of money.
But how should they enforce this urgency? They have no way to force their players to accept lower wages, and if the players don't want wage cuts, they would have no reason to transfer somewhere else where they likely would not get as much.
They'd have to be sold at discount or face the alternative of having contracts terminated. I have no doubt that Barca lawyers would find a way to use La Liga's enforcement as a get-out-of-jail card for this.
You cannot enforce a rule on a club and then accept the fact that they fail to meet it simply because players won't move. What kind of message does that send?
Beggars can't be choosers, if you have to sell De Jong for 20M then so be it.
We should really tempt Barcelona.
Offer Brazilian starting 11 midfielder machine Fred and the supposedly 30mi for Neves.
That would get them:
Offer Brazilian starting 11 midfielder machine Fred and the supposedly 30mi for Neves.
That would get them:
- A new midfielder, who's a regular for the Seleção,
- One of their highest earners off their books,
- And some well needed money to balance the books.
How would they register Fred?
We need a quality CM, Barca need money aned have two. Can’t we at least try for Pedri or de Jong?
I don’t why they aren’t selling Coutinho, Griezmann and Dembele for 10-20mm each and then giving that money to the players to subsidise their wages in order for them to accept reasonable contracts elsewhere. The buying clubs get the players for a low fee and sustainable wages, and Barca are essentially releasing them for free and getting their club to a sustainable level again. I mean, something has to give here and that seems the most reasonable approach for three very high earners. They can then cap their salaries at a sustainable level as they’ve ditched most of their crazy contracts. The intent to realise a big fee for each of them seems bonkers.
I am absolutely sure that Barca can not terminate existing valid contracts with their current players. The fact that Barca can not register other players is not related to existing contracts. There is no get-out-of-jail card for Barca here. The club wants to change the contracts, but that might not be in the interest of the players. Barca is free to not extend their contracts, but that is the only kind of power play they should be able to pull off. And I doubt that this is a severe threat to someone like Griezmann. Stay at Barca for massive wages and walk on a free after that, why should he oppose that deal? It is a great financial outlook for him, and the same for the other overpaid players there.
It sends the message that clubs should keep their wages balanced with their revenue to be robust in case of sudden trouble to their business. That 70% limit is already higher than what profitable clubs have For example Bayern Munich pre-Covid was somewhere around 50%, such a club would without big trouble still be operating within the 70% limit under current circumstances.
If de Jong does not agree to a transfer because he would get worse wages at the new club there is not much Barca can do about it.
Unless they can clear other players out, we would need to pay them €234m for De Jong and Pedri for their wage % to fall in line with what La Liga are demanding.
If they sold those 3 for €45m as you suggest, and removed all 3 wages from their annual bill, their wage bill would still be 81% of the new revenue. If they had to subsidise their wages it would be higher still as this subsidy would still fall under the wage bill figure.
They seem to have the same problem as United shifting players on huge wages but for United its Jesse/Phil/Andreas on their 100k a week vs Greizmann/Dembele/Coutinho on their millions a week.
Clubs need to get savvy and clean up there acts!
Clubs need to get savvy and clean up there acts!
What is the likely punishment if they don't reduce the wage bill? What timescales are they working in?
I think Frenkie De Jong is a terrific footballer and would love him at United. But paying €20.8m a season to a young player you're signing from the Eredivise was horrific business.
For starters, against Real Sociedad this sunday they cant play Depay, Aguero, Garcia or Emerson, their 4 new signings.
Its ridiculous to me that you would sign 4 players fully knowing that you cant play them unless you sell a bunch first, still dont get Barca's logic right now. Something fishy is going on, its like they are being managed by a 8 year old kid on FIFA, and not particularly a smart one
Something seriously wrong with us if we're not trying for Frenkie de Jong or Pedri. I know Pedri has a clause to extend contract but still. Throw at Barcelona £100m and see where it gets us. We really need to be a lot more ruthless with Man City spending crazy.
Good thing is, with the defence sorted, and wingers i would say is good enough.. we can priorities on Midfield for the next few windows. Striker too obviously.
Good thing is, with the defence sorted, and wingers i would say is good enough.. we can priorities on Midfield for the next few windows. Striker too obviously.
Tough luck. Barca needed to clean up their finances and then go for the free agents. They didn't which means they wont be able to register the new players. They can still play with their existing members. Why should the rules be relaxed, so that barca can sign new free agents without fixing their finances?
You realize the players should want to move?
To really enforce it though they need to dock them some points as well until they come under the limit. Or make them pick their match day squads with the limit.
Do La Liga sides not have to reregister squads for each season like clubs in England do?
If they do, La Liga should just tell them they can only register players up until the salary cap they have outlined.
If they do, La Liga should just tell them they can only register players up until the salary cap they have outlined.
and perhaps more pertinently, why would they register Fred?
Does anyone think La Liga has been really impractical here by being very rigid with this rule? In normal times it makes sense to not have wages more than your revenues. But in COVID times naturally the revenues for all clubs has fallen. Maybe I am not aware of nuances here but they really should be waiting for normalcy to return before forcing clubs to start selling their key assets. Its further stripping the value from these clubs rather than making them more sustainable.
I'd have thought it's precisely because of Covid, that it's important that the authorities enforce sensible, financial prudence. Before Covid, there was a sense of invincibility surrounding the football gravy train. But the last couple of years has shown us how important it is to operate within your means.
The 70% wage bill figure is enormous, and almost certainly reflects the drop in revenue due to Covid already. No business would countenance having a wage bill % that high.
Besides, reductions in revenue due to Covid don't nearly explain the Barcelona shitshow. They had predicted revenue of €1billion before covid, then saw revenue of €700m, a reduction of 30%.
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/barcelona-revenue-target-coronavirus-josep-bartomeu
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news...uction-2019-20-coronavirus-bartomeu-elections
(wish I'd seen these articles earlier by the way, rather than trying to reverse engineer the same figures from Laporte's comments on Messi's wages)
Had Covid not happened, and they had hit their targets. You'd still be looking at a wage bill % of 81% with Messi still there, and 70% without him.
They could defer subsidies for two years and then for accounting purposes use 25% of the fees generated this year towards their salary cap. That gets them closer. They also generate 20mm for Moriba and ship out Pjanic. Coupled with salary cuts to the squad where possible, they are closer.
Im not saying shipping the three in isolation does the trick but it seems essential it’s part of the plan.
Ok so good to know that Barca would have been in deep shit even without Covid in that they probably would have had to off load Messi and not able to get any new players. Thanks!