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After a slight wobble in their innings, England have been really on it today in their batting, bowling, and fielding. Clarity of purpose starting to show through.
 

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Jonathan Trott is the new Afghan coach - bit unexpected that.

Trott was a fantastic player. The last great non-Root English batter?
 

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I guess Livingstone 6, Moeen 7. Means 3 spinners and 3 seamers though which might not suit every suit every match/conditions. I'd actually question Livingstone's place to be honest, not sure he is as suited to 50 over as he is 20 overs. Sometimes you need your number 5 or 6 to accumulate/consolidate for a longer period of time. If we want a 4th pace option he'd be the logical one to be left out, and I don't think he should bat at 5 in 50 over internationals as a batsmen. Could even have an extra specialist batsmen and just 5 bowling options. Not sure if the 6 bowler strategy has been the preferred strategy recently or just the go to because Stokes hasn't been bowling much.

Or Moeen 6, Curran/Woakes 7, Willey 8 but that looks a little light. We used to have an abundance of number 6, batting all rounder medium pacer types like Collingwood, Bopara etc, could use someone like that now. There's a few knocking about at county level but none that I recall even being involved in any squads or Lions tours. Curran arguably the most suitable to bat higher in the order but I'm not totally convinced, and with Topley the main man at the moment and Willey a reliable 8 would we pick 3 left arm quicks?
This is probably going to sound unthinkable with the reputation some of England's batters have, but I think they should look to invest in Curran early as Stokes replacement in ODI and move him up the order to 5 or even 4 before Buttler for LHB if they want him in the line up.

He is capable of playing a normal run-a-ball innings, and is a powerful hitter against spin and medium pace, but is a bit out of his depth against 140+ at the back end. Livingstone and Moeen look much more adept at hitting pace bowling especially the former and should be 6 and 7 if they are in the XI. All three can combine to bowl the fifth bowler quota in the middle overs. Would rather have Brook or Hain over Moeen though.
 

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Roy Bairstow Root Hain/Brook Curran Buttler Livingstone Willey/Woakes Rashid Seamer Seamer
 

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This is probably going to sound unthinkable with the reputation some of England's batters have, but I think they should look to invest in Curran early as Stokes replacement in ODI and move him up the order to 5 or even 4 before Buttler for LHB if they want him in the line up.

He is capable of playing a normal run-a-ball innings, and is a powerful hitter against spin and medium pace, but is a bit out of his depth against 140+ at the back end. Livingstone and Moeen look much more adept at hitting pace bowling especially the former and should be 6 and 7 if they are in the XI. All three can combine to bowl the fifth bowler quota in the middle overs. Would rather have Brook or Hain over Moeen though.
Sounds reasonable to me. I do think Malan needs to be in the team though who offers a LHB option. People including myself aren't fully sold on him due to sometimes starting slow and the balance of having both him and Root, but he's been our form white ball batsmen for a while with others struggle, and having a side full of players looking to score 30 off 20 and getting out isn't the best ODI strategy. Duckett is another option, not sure if there's a touch of the Hales situation with him though.
 

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Sam Northeast closing in on becoming the first player to score 400 since Lara against England.

Currently on 386, no chance of a result so has the rest of the day to potentially pass the 501 as well
 

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Wow...Northeast moves on to 410 at lunch.

Billy Root made a first ball duck...penny for his thoughts.
 

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Wow...Northeast moves on to 410 at lunch.

Billy Root made a first ball duck...penny for his thoughts.
Can't believe they declared... the SR he was going at, he had a real chance to break Lara's record!
 

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You say that, Leicestershire are still 41 behind with only 3 wickets remaining. It might have been a master stroke.
I'm a Lancs fan and I must be honest I had no idea what was riding on the match for Glammy from a results perspective; but fair play to David Lloyd for making the decision to declare when he did. It's good captaincy and Glamorgan are now well in contention by the looks of things for promotion.

Just as a neutral obviously I am gutted to see Northeast not carrying on batting because the match result doesn't really matter to me. I think everyone besides Glammy supporters wanted to see a player on 410 not out bat on. I mean maybe some of them actually wanted to see Northeast go for it.

Would have been an interesting call to make if Northeast had been captain but I imagine he would have done exactly the same.
 
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I'm a Lancs fan and I must be honest I had no idea what was riding on the match for Glammy from a results perspective; but fair play to David Lloyd for making the decision to declare when he did. It's good captaincy and Glamorgan are now well in contention by the looks of things for promotion.

Just as a neutral obviously I am gutted to see Northeast not carrying on batting because the match result doesn't really matter to me. I think everyone besides Glammy supporters wanted to see a player on 410 not out bat on. I mean maybe some of them actually wanted to see Northeast go for it.

Would have been an interesting call to make if Northeast had been captain but I imagine he would have done exactly the same.
Oh I’m a Lancs fan too and absolutely would have loved to see him chasing down Lara’s record, but seeing an exciting final day is always a lot of fun.

Looks to have been a total bottling from Leicestershire to lose all those wickets on what had seeming been an absolute road for 3 and a third days
 

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I think it is a very small ground and Bairstow and Ali made the most of it. If England win it may arrest the poor run of form.
It’s small but both teams batted on it. First England T20 I’ve watched live, so I completely lucked out there. The crowd were getting a bit nervous until that Jordan over.
 

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It’s small but both teams batted on it. First England T20 I’ve watched live, so I completely lucked out there. The crowd were getting a bit nervous until that Jordan over.
Bristol is a lovely ground to go and watch a game at. It is up there with Scarborough, Hove and Taunton for me. All credit to England though, they got a huge total.
 

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Bristol is a lovely ground to go and watch a game at. It is up there with Scarborough, Hove and Taunton for me. All credit to England though, they got a huge total.
Scarborough is amazing.

It was my dad's holiday destination as a kid and he followed that on to my sister and me.

And the cricket ground itself, well I don't think there's a better place to watch the sport personally.

Yorkshire are so lucky to have such a beautiful out ground that's actually bigger and nicer than most county's main ground!

I've been to the town hundreds of times and still try to get there 5/6 times a year even now and I've been to the cricket ground itself three times.

I saw Graeme Hick score a century there for Worcestershire in the 90s, then saw my own county, Derbyshire win there in 2005 (I can remember the year because of the Ashes score announcements over the tannoy!).

Then last year I went with a friend to see them play Surrey in the Royal London Cup which was obviously shadow squads because of the H*ndred.

Hove and Taunton I've visited this year for the first time and both nice, I'd probably give Taunton the edge out of the two even though Derbyshire got battered there in the T20 quarter final!

Got York and Chelmsford coming up which will only leave 3 main grounds for me to visit - Chester Le Street, Cardiff and Worcester.

Really looking forward to York actually as it's a Roses match as well in the Royal London Cup, quite close to the train station and York is a wonderful city.
 

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Roy’s form is a bit of a concern 4 off 16 in a T20 vs India and 8 off 15 today.
Very much so. I also think his body language is very clear as well, you can tell he's a man under pressure.

He took a catch on the boundary last night and just tossed the ball back to the umpire, no smile, no attempt to run in and celebrate with his team mates.

First big test for Buttler as captain to try and get him back on form ahead of the T20 WC.
 

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England's white ball team not looking good under Buttler and Motts. Haven't been good enough as a collective, and have had to rely on one or two batters and bowlers firing. If Joe Root barely gets off a duck in three consecutive ODIs, then something is wrong. Probably doesn't help when the opener supposed to be setting the tone is striking at 75 and the captain is struggling to score.
 

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No chance Butler is a Captain. They'll stick with him understandably for the World Cup but it won't last.

Roy needs a score very quickly, Phil Salt unlucky not to replace him.
 

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Very much so. I also think his body language is very clear as well, you can tell he's a man under pressure.

He took a catch on the boundary last night and just tossed the ball back to the umpire, no smile, no attempt to run in and celebrate with his team mates.

First big test for Buttler as captain to try and get him back on form ahead of the T20 WC.
Roy has looked a shadow of himself since that mystery suspended ban and fine he got (I mean it’s pretty obvious what it’ll have been for) and at this point he really needs to find something soon or he’s a waste of a spot for the World Cup.
 

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No chance Butler is a Captain. They'll stick with him understandably for the World Cup but it won't last.

Roy needs a score very quickly, Phil Salt unlucky not to replace him.
It's too much for him to do. Captain, keeper, opening batter... Plus, he's having to run to the bowler every few balls to set the field/plan.

Roy needs a couple of games out, not looked right all summer. Even just the way he drops his head, sulks and stands still, instead of crossing, when he skies it.
 

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Roy has looked a shadow of himself since that mystery suspended ban and fine he got (I mean it’s pretty obvious what it’ll have been for) and at this point he really needs to find something soon or he’s a waste of a spot for the World Cup.
What was it for?
 

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Offtopic but please for the love of god, hopefully SA treat Stubbs, Jansen and Brewis properly. All three are superstars.

Mumbai Indians have David, Stubbs, Brewis, Surya and Tilak in the middle order for next season :nervous: