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Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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Somewhat explains the high price they are demanding, as looking to mint every possible penny. However they would be cautious enough to avoid another Neres situation.
Did United regret not selling Ronaldo the first time Real came with a bag of money? Not comparing Ajax to United or Antony to Ronaldo btw.
No they haven't at all, hence why they have backed the coach with huge signings in Bassey, Bergwijn, Brobbey. Ajax want to continue things right where they left him, though I think Schreuder is not of the same quality.
Ajax still has a very strong team, and are building something great. Personally I think they are of Dortmund's level at the very least.
It would be quite a miracle yes, but Ajax doesn't need the money. The money would be nice, and is great, and would help yes, but Ajax has already sold for a lot this summer. There is no need to secure their future for the coming years already.If Ajax gets to the top 10 and win the CL on a wage budget that would put them 20th in the Premier League and is barely a quarter of Dortmund's, that would be quite a feat! If they sold Antony for 75m, it'd pretty much finance their wage costs for 3 seasons.So I agree it has to say something that they aren't.
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Wish we'd just wrap this up so he can play at the weekend. The amount of time we've wasted this season by dithering on these transfers is crazy.
You are right. Not a time to be ambitious, just sell our players to you without replacement lined up and suck it up.
Tnx for the advice.
Thing is, we actually have a very competitive team this year including Antony. But some just don't seem to understand it.
No way we pay 40m + for Ziyech. Might as well save the money and sell Antony for 60m next year and then be prepared for it.
But whatever. Just sell and lack ambition because reasons or something. Got it.
That might be true, that we undermine the reputation we invested in when we waited a season for Sancho in a similar situation. The ‘we can buy anyone’ policy of Woodward takes some building down to repair! Then again, if it’s true we have called in interest on 30 players this summer, which some claim, it would also reinforce a reputation that we won’t pay anything for anyone. At the same time, others will use the same fact against us saying we’re ‘indecisive’, ‘unattractive’ or ‘a shambles’. Hard to win games of opinion.
Do you really hold it for proven that Ajax would have accepted €80m a month ago? What is that based on? It sounds very unlikely to me, but I may have missed or forgotten something. I’m not even entirely certain they will accept €95m now.
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Depay is a decent striker backup familiar with Ten Hag's football who plays false nine. I agree he's no big deal, but he's someone who Ten Hag's looking to sign by all accounts. All i'm saying is we need to sort the whole team out first with that money, before adding stars for €100m+.
Posturing until they get a replacement.
Waste of money! Just kidding obvs!
By all accounts? I can't remember a single story linking us to Depay. Might have missed something, but it's not like that's been a talking point lately?
Is Grealish value for money?
I don't think anyone would argue that he has proved worth £100m given his 3 goals and 3 assists or whatever he got last season.
Does he ever use his right foot?
I can't wait for
ASSIST : Antony
GOAL : Martial
ASSIST : Antony
GOAL : Martial
The bid needs more preparation before its submitted mate.
Currently at the monitoring before final preparation stage.
Big final preparation day tomorrow.
He can't play at the weekend. Everyone needs work permits now.
No. It’s quite remarkable really. Even when he crosses going forward on the right without cutting back he uses the outside of his left foot generally.
That's the thing I don't believe just adding Antony is anywhere near enough.
How many goals can we realistically expect out of Rashford, & Martial? I know Rashford had a good game vs. Liverpool, but you're talking about players that got 5 & 2 goals last season, and only one proper attacker is enough? Antony isn't exactly high scoring even in Eredivisie, and VDB & Eriksen are no attackers.
to run, yes
Kinda makes you wish he had two left feet.
I need him like water
Sancho-Martial-Antony
Is that the best dribbling front line in the league?
Is that the best dribbling front line in the league?
Robben turned out OK
Adding Antony means that now we have Sancho - Martial / Rashford - Antony. That's a pretty lively looking attacking front 3. Interchangeable too when necessary. Give them a few months and I reckon they'll be fecking ripping it up.
Regarding Rashford and Martial. Personally, I'd written both of them off to the point where I'd feel physical revulsion (not fecking literally before some pedantic tw@t tells me I shouldn't care that much) to seeing them walk out of the tunnel. Over the last few weeks however, and especially after Monday, I've found myself almost imagining both of the infuriating eejits actually coming good under TH's coaching. Such is my faith in our new bald supreme leader that I even will try and look at our perennial wasters, Rashford and Martial, through fresh eyes.
Do Ajax seriously value him as 100 million or know that they are dealing with the Glazers business men buddies that haven't a clue?
Just two years ago Ajax bought Antony for 12 million.
If another 100 Million is to be splashed in this transfer window it should be done with 2 or 3 players instead of 1.
Why does it have to be one or the other? Only United has serious interest this summer.
this forum is littered with cnuts who just refuse to accept reality about transfer fees
Him and Sancho bringing out the skills on each wing would be pure entertainment.
But if Ornstein said so then it’s happening. Someone else other than Ornstein then it;s different story.
They bought Bergwijn from Tottenham this summer for 31.5M€ so your records are outdated.
Looking at Transfermarkt values Bergwijn was valued at 18M€ and Ziyech is currently at 28M€. Both former Eredivisie players who somewhat flopped in the EPL.
To be fair 44M€ for Ziyech seems a bit much, though seeing how ridiculous the market has gotten in the last year or so and knowing Ajax are about to get a massive cash boost from the Antony sale Chelsea have every right to ask for a good fee instead of just caving in immediately and accepting a loan bid. Ziyech is about as good a replacement as Ajax could possibly hope to get, not to mention him already being a huge fan favorite of theirs and someone who knows the club in and out so should be able to settle in and start contributing immediately.
I don't think we'll get quite that much for Ziyech if a move does happen but considering the circumstances mentioned above it doesn't hurt to at least try and then maybe lower the price a little bit if they don't bite. Somewhere around 30-35M€ should be a good compromise I think?
Also, since when is 29 considered 'old'? Feck me I must be a dinosaur then.
Ziyech has never relied his game on pace so he should have plenty of prime years left before a decline sets in.
I remember at the beginning of summer we have shown strong interested in Antony and willing to go with €50m bid, and then has been discouraged by Ajax €80m price tag, as it has been widely reported from multiple sources back then, and then we finally give up on the pursuit.
It is now a case of panic buy after our heavy loss to Brentford, just before market is about to close in a week or 2. It’s no coincidence €80m is the amount we offer, which got rejected, so I assume it’s leaving too late for Ajax to say yes. We have to pay even bigger premium now.
Drastically different situation of course. 80m in 2008 was a world record. 80m in 08 is equivalent to what, 250m now? Its 100m for Antony, I just think that would be madness to reject from a club who doesn't get "infinite money" and will be favourites for the league anyway. Regardless of how many players you sold this window... You'll be swimming in cash to do what you want to rebuild which is needed anyway.
Agreed, he should be the kind of player that ages well. He could easily be looking at another 4 or 5 Eresdivisie seasons playing at a very high level.They bought Bergwijn from Tottenham this summer for 31.5M€ so your records are outdated.
Looking at Transfermarkt values Bergwijn was valued at 18M€ and Ziyech is currently at 28M€. Both former Eredivisie players who somewhat flopped in the EPL.
To be fair 44M€ for Ziyech seems a bit much, though seeing how ridiculous the market has gotten in the last year or so and knowing Ajax are about to get a massive cash boost from the Antony sale Chelsea have every right to ask for a good fee instead of just caving in immediately and accepting a loan bid. Ziyech is about as good a replacement as Ajax could possibly hope to get, not to mention him already being a huge fan favorite of theirs and someone who knows the club in and out so should be able to settle in and start contributing immediately.
I don't think we'll get quite that much for Ziyech if a move does happen but considering the circumstances mentioned above it doesn't hurt to at least try and then maybe lower the price a little bit if they don't bite. Somewhere around 30-35M€ should be a good compromise I think?
Also, since when is 29 considered 'old'? Feck me I must be a dinosaur then.
Ziyech has never relied his game on pace so he should have plenty of prime years left before a decline sets in.
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Throw in a summer bid for Toney, and we're laughing.
We can. We never wanted to sell Antony. Chelsea on the other hand want to get rid of Ziyech all summer. The only reason to let Antony against our will is because we get compensated extraordinary well and get a replacement for a normal fee. If we can't, all good. Chelsea have the right to ask what they want, like us. However they are asking a ridiculous fee for a player the want to get rid of themselves. All good, but Ajax should walk away and hold Antony to his contract as a consequence (as we've always planned).Seriously though, you can't demand 100m for Antony then turn around and insist on a 'fair' price for Ziyech
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Did we submit an offer?
Since Ajax can’t sign Ziech now, presumably this one is off too?
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