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Time to start buying goods NOT made in China (it's very difficult, but we should all try).
 

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" We need carbon dioxide in the filling process, among other things. Bottles or kegs are charged with CO2, which prevents oxygen from getting into the beer. Large amounts of CO2 are required in a brewery because of this process. Extra carbonic acid is only added to drinks such as soda or mineral water. "
That makes sense. Thanks!
 

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My phone is korean with chips from taiwan. My screen is korean too, gpu taiwanese. It's the cheap shit that's chinese.
Yeah no, a ton of chips are diced and packaged in China, and with semiconductor shortage at the moment, you'd be totally fecked.

True that Taiwan would be equally impactful
 

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Say goodbye to any piece of technology, then
Sony produces a lot in Vietnam now. Thailand is also a manufacturing center for technology. I said it would be difficult, but we should start at least with all the china junk we buy because we can and it's cheap.
 

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" We need carbon dioxide in the filling process, among other things. Bottles or kegs are charged with CO2, which prevents oxygen from getting into the beer. Large amounts of CO2 are required in a brewery because of this process. Extra carbonic acid is only added to drinks such as soda or mineral water. "
You could use nitrogen for filling. The only absolute need for CO2 is if you pasteurise your beer and have to regassify it. Make better beer and filter it properly, problem solved.
 

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Bear in mind when the war broke out the former British PM was in a very tough spot domestically with a series of scandals involving himself and his party with pressure on him to resign. So the invasion came at a very convenient time for Boris to distract the public from his and his party's behaviour by throwing his support behind Ukraine.

Would the same level of support that Ukraine have had from the UK been forthcoming if the war had broke out when Boris and the Tories were in a much more comfortable position?

I have my doubts personally.
UK Russia relations are at an all time low. The UK have been on the ground training troops alongside the US for years.

Boris hammed it up, but in all honesty could have had any British PM in power (bar Corbyn) and the support would have been similar. If we were still in the EU Britain would be leading the European effort to support Ukraine and I’m convinced you’d see a more coordinated effort.
 

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Except that isn't what happened and what happened in this thread, it's just rhat frostbite hates Germans.

The big diplomatic issue at the time was that the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany Andriy Melnyk was acting and talking like Germany wasn't a souvereign state and essentially ordered Germany to do this or send that. He was truly unbearable and on top of that is a Banderista, so essentially a Nazi and therefore a PR disaster for Ukraine in Germany.

In the meantime he got replaced and that's why we don't have this kind if discussion any more.
I would honestly recommend you to read more about Bandera and try to understand it from a Ukrainian POV before calling any Ukrainian a nazi for heroising his movement.
 

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Girkin seems to think Ukraine might've offered Russia peace terms to withdraw to February 24th frontlines and staging a legitimate referendum in Crimea. Think Ukraine can do better. Once they get to Mariupol and get to show the world what Russia has done there, penny will drop in terms of arms supplies and views towards Crimea
 

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Girkin seems to think Ukraine might've offered Russia peace terms to withdraw to February 24th frontlines and staging a legitimate referendum in Crimea. Think Ukraine can do better. Once they get to Mariupol and get to show the world what Russia has done there, penny will drop in terms of arms supplies and views towards Crimea
The ending of that translation - is it preparing the Russian people for a more widespread mobilisation and widespread conscription? "Only a complete military victory of the armed forces of the Russian Federation over the so called Ukraine can break this trend. For which alas self-mobilisation and collecting convicts from the bottom of the barrel is not enough", or am I reading too much into that?
 

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-announces-new-600-million-arms-package-ukraine-2022-09-15/

U.S. announces new $600 mln arms package for Ukraine

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The package includes High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), night vision goggles, claymore mines, mine clearing equipment, 105mm artillery rounds and 155mm precision guided artillery rounds, the Pentagon said.

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Washington has sent about $15.1 billion dollars in security assistance to the Kyiv government since Russia's invasion.
 

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Girkin seems to think Ukraine might've offered Russia peace terms to withdraw to February 24th frontlines and staging a legitimate referendum in Crimea. Think Ukraine can do better. Once they get to Mariupol and get to show the world what Russia has done there, penny will drop in terms of arms supplies and views towards Crimea
It's truly fascinating that one of the most radical nationalists appears to be one of the very few Russian voices who still see the reality. I don't know if this offer he talks about was real, but his analysis of Russia's military (and diplomatic) problems has been on point all the time.
 

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The ending of that translation - is it preparing the Russian people for a more widespread mobilisation and widespread conscription? "Only a complete military victory of the armed forces of the Russian Federation over the so called Ukraine can break this trend. For which alas self-mobilisation and collecting convicts from the bottom of the barrel is not enough", or am I reading too much into that?
Igor Girkin has been calling for official war and full mobilization basically since the war started. But he has been out of any actual power for years now, so whatever he says isn't official policy but far more hawkish. That might align again if Putin takes his view again, but he is in no way speaking for Putin.
 

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It's truly fascinating that one of the most radical nationalists appears to be one of the very few Russian voices who still see the reality. I don't know if this offer he talks about was real, but his analysis of Russia's military (and diplomatic) problems has been on point all the time.
Would probably be a more effective minister too instead of Shoigu.
 

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Igor Girkin has been calling for official war and full mobilization basically since the war started. But he has been out of any actual power for years now, so whatever he says isn't official policy but far more hawkish. That might align again if Putin takes his view again, but he is in no way speaking for Putin.
How is he still alive? Maybe he has serious influence with the GRU although no longer there (officially?)
 

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How is he still alive? Maybe he has serious influence with the GRU although no longer there (officially?)
His world view aligns pretty well with Putin, so no need to silence or even kill him. Allowing a certain spectrum of public voices around the government position allows to create the illusion of free speach in Russia.

And having such hawks like Girkin allows the actual president to be seen as acting calm and considerate in comparison.
 

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It's not 90s anymore. I have a Huawei phone for instance.
I've had one too (bought when they were super cheap because of Trump ban) but it was shit. The older generation Samsung I had before that held up way better so I've gone back to Samsung. The only thing China is leading in is building cheap copies of stuff invented in the free world. I don't know a single appliance / gadget / piece of tech that was actually invented or developed in China.
 

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I've had one too (bought when they were super cheap because of Trump ban) but it was shit. The older generation Samsung I had before that held up way better so I've gone back to Samsung. The only thing China is leading in is building cheap knock offs of stuff invented in the west. I don't know a single appliance / gadged / piece of tech that was actually invented or developed in China. They just copy whatever other people make.
That's a completely other theme, who invented what. And the thing about Samsung being better or not is just preference.
For instance who invented mobile phones and laptops? Whoever produce those things know is copying the guys who invented it in the first place, by your logic.
 

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That's a completely other theme, who invented what. And the thing about Samsung being better or not is just preference.
For instance who invented mobile phones and laptops? Whoever produce those things know is copying the guys who invented it in the first place, by your logic.
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You quoted my reply to someone saying we would need to say goodbye to modern technology if we tried not buying chinese. Which is nonsense because nothing modern originated in China. That's all I'm saying.

(Sorry for being off-topic in this thread).
 

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You quoted my reply to someone saying we would need to say goodbye to modern technology if we tried not buying chinese. Which is nonsense because nothing modern originated in China. That's all I'm saying.

(Sorry for being off-topic in this thread).
Your first reply was its the cheap, crap stuff they're producing and that's a notion which is completely outdated.
 

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I've had one too (bought when they were super cheap because of Trump ban) but it was shit. The older generation Samsung I had before that held up way better so I've gone back to Samsung. The only thing China is leading in is building cheap copies of stuff invented in the free world. I don't know a single appliance / gadget / piece of tech that was actually invented or developed in China.
Thats like last decade. Biden's policy of trying to impose sanctions and isolate them will only force them to build stuff for themselves and in a big way.


China Will Soon Lead the U.S. in Tech
Beijing pulls ahead in 5G and artificial intelligence while catching up in semiconductors.


https://www.brookings.edu/research/global-china-technology/
 

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Your first reply was its the cheap, crap stuff they're producing and that's a notion which is completely outdated.
I guess cheap and crap are a matter of perspective. I stand by what I said. I actually think it's true more so now than 5 years ago, but maybe I've just become more aware of it. Even the chinese know it which is why NIO etc. develop their cars in Munich.
 

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I guess cheap and crap are a matter of perspective. I stand by what I said. I actually think it's true more so now than 5 years ago, but maybe I've just become more aware of it. Even the chinese know it which is why NIO etc. develop their cars in Munich.
It's a matter of facts. We'll have to agree to completely disagree on this one. Cheers.
 

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Igor Girkin has been calling for official war and full mobilization basically since the war started. But he has been out of any actual power for years now, so whatever he says isn't official policy but far more hawkish. That might align again if Putin takes his view again, but he is in no way speaking for Putin.
Thanks for the explanation
 

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The ending of that translation - is it preparing the Russian people for a more widespread mobilisation and widespread conscription? "Only a complete military victory of the armed forces of the Russian Federation over the so called Ukraine can break this trend. For which alas self-mobilisation and collecting convicts from the bottom of the barrel is not enough", or am I reading too much into that?
Think he's hinting that conventionally, Russia has already lost, without saying any more.

Wagner telegram channel Greyzone provides their view on why mobilisation won't work:

 

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It's a matter of facts. We'll have to agree to completely disagree on this one. Cheers.
Are you telling me you bought the Huwaii for another reason than the price? Be honest... (And even Huwaii has TSMC chips in it, does it not? Why?)

Thats like last decade. Biden's policy of trying to impose sanctions and isolate them will only force them to build stuff for themselves and in a big way.


China Will Soon Lead the U.S. in Tech
Beijing pulls ahead in 5G and artificial intelligence while catching up in semiconductors.


https://www.brookings.edu/research/global-china-technology/
China has been closing shop ever since winnie the puh started trying to outshine Mao and Deng Xiaoping. Everyone can decide for themselves if that will keep / bring them to the cutting edge of technology. I'm not convinced.
 

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Are you telling me you bought the Huwaii for another reason than the price? Be honest... (And even Huwaii has TSMC chips in it, does it not? Why?)


China has been closing shop ever since winnie the puh started trying to outshine Mao and Deng Xiaoping. Everyone can decide for themselves if that will keep / bring them to the cutting edge of technology. I'm not convinced.
I bought it cause it's quality and I'm really happy with it, just like I bought the previous one too.
 

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I've had one too (bought when they were super cheap because of Trump ban) but it was shit. The older generation Samsung I had before that held up way better so I've gone back to Samsung. The only thing China is leading in is building cheap copies of stuff invented in the free world. I don't know a single appliance / gadget / piece of tech that was actually invented or developed in China.
That's absolute bollocks, tbh.
 

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UK Russia relations are at an all time low. The UK have been on the ground training troops alongside the US for years.

Boris hammed it up, but in all honesty could have had any British PM in power (bar Corbyn) and the support would have been similar. If we were still in the EU Britain would be leading the European effort to support Ukraine and I’m convinced you’d see a more coordinated effort.
As I say I have my doubts personally.