Cristiano Ronaldo: Set to leave by mutual agreement

Oranges038 · Nov 17, 2022

JPRouve said:
The club invested in infrastructures, the club has continuously modernized its approach based on managers wishes, Rangnick was well known and pressing is neither new nor a strange approach and the club has been inconsistent more than stagnating which is a fairly normal thing.

I mean it's not as if Real Madrid weren't stagnating before 2009. One of the paradox of Ronaldo is that he seems to not realize that he was a massive difference maker during his prime and that United losing him meant that the clubs ceiling was instantly lowered with literally no way to fix it because Ronaldo was unique and Messi going nowhere.

amolbhatia50k said:
Hope he called out our terrible mistake in giving him at age 36/37 for enormous wages. Oh, he signed the contract and thought it was a great idea and only pointed it out once he became an unhappy squad player? That's a surprise.

It's funny because his being at this football is a symptom of the problem we're trying to put behind us and people like ETH is working hard to fix. That's a man getting into the muck and doing the best to get us back. So far he's managed to lift us from the run and at least build a spirit and a small semblance of identity into this team. Yet this cartoon thinks its a good idea to go after him because he didn't get treated as per his delusional image of himself.

All I am seeing here is a bunch on crying knobheads who can't get over the hatred they've developed for him venting. Anybody on here, and there are plenty who post stuff like what he's said all they like but he's wrong because he's a massive egotistical bellend and doesn't realise he's a huge part of the problem.

I'm not defending him or his actions. Just saying that what he's said about the club, a lot of it is not wrong but we already knew a lot of it anyway. Some of his comments are just bollocks. The problem is that he's just chosen the wrong platform to air these views. And for that he needs to be shown the door.

moses · Nov 17, 2022

GDaly95 said:
To be honest this is only a good thing in my opinion.

He has shone a light on the Glazers and also ensured that he'll never play for us again.

Definitely not watching the interview though.

Shining a light on something that is basically already floodlit is not all that commendable. It definitely doesn't offset the damage of attacking the boss.

Spoony · Nov 17, 2022

Dancfc said:
I read somewhere they've lost £400m on that interview alone.

I won't pretend I'm a economic expert but surely this is as good a chance as you'll ever get to force them out? If as little as a couple more members of your squad (or manager) speak out the pressure on them would be huge.

They're very stubborn. I don't understand why they'd wouldn't want to sell up l, it's not as if the ESL is imminent. So, I doubt Ronaldo's comment however insincere will have an effect on them.

Cypriot · Nov 17, 2022

JPRouve said:
It depends on nothing. Young players today are required to spend more time playing organized Football, at a higher level and in a more professional setting. The fact that they spent their spare time on social media doesn't change the reality of their Football careers.

Exactly, they'll fulfil their 'requirement' and then go home to do what they actually want to do. Ronaldo being the first and last to leave training as he says, is probably what irks him. Some younger players don't put in the extra hard work to make it as a top player. You'll always get out what you put in, and this is why less and less of these 'high potential youngsters' make it to the top - that is the reality of their football careers.

Remember the geese · Nov 17, 2022

The Irish Connection said:
He is the only current player to have called them out.

And if that's all he had said then great. However...

hellhunter · Nov 17, 2022

Cypriot said:
Exactly, they'll fulfil their 'requirement' and then go home to do what they actually want to do. Ronaldo being the first and last to leave training as he says, is probably what irks him. Some younger players don't put in the extra hard work to make it as a top player. You'll always get out what you put in, and this is why less and less of these 'high potential youngsters' make it to the top - that is the reality of their football careers.

This sounds purely anecdotal, is there any evidence of this?

GDaly95 · Nov 17, 2022

moses said:
Shining a light on something that is basically already floodlit is not all that commendable. It definitely doesn't offset the damage of attacking the boss.

I don't think its commendable either.

What's the damage of attacking Ten Hag though? Other than it means Ronaldo is gonski?

I can't imagine for a second that it means the players would lose respect for him. I doubt it puts his job in any kind of peril. It does mean he's more likely to get a striker so there's a positive.

Oranges038 · Nov 17, 2022

Deery said:
It’s like Simon Jordan was saying before he went into one and got sensationalist the interview was kinda meh, which makes you wonder the real reason for the spite in a lot of these posts.

My thoughts on it too. A load of overhyped bollocks.

JPRouve · Nov 17, 2022

Cypriot said:
Exactly, they'll fulfil their 'requirement' and then go home to do what they actually want to do. Ronaldo being the first and last to leave training as he says, is probably what irks him. Some younger players don't put in the extra hard work to make it as a top player. You'll always get out what you put in, and this is why less and less of these 'high potential youngsters' make it to the top - that is the reality of their football careers.

That's true for literally every generations, not everyone makes it, the small difference is that current youth players are ready sooner because they are expected to act professionally sooner. And I'm talking about 14 to 20, the current players are more professional than their predecessors.

Chesterlestreet · Nov 17, 2022

The Irish Connection said:
He is the only current player to have called them out.

Why didn't he come out with this criticism back in 2021? I mean, if it was such a shock to him how badly we were run, and he felt deeply about the fans of this once great club, why the feck didn't he say anything then? Isn't that what someone with half an ounce of genuine integrity would do?

He has no integrity - obviously. He's coming out with this now (after happily taking the Glazers' money for a season and a half) for purely cynical reasons. This is obvious to anyone who isn't shockingly far up his arse.

JPRouve · Nov 17, 2022

Oranges038 said:
All I am seeing here is a bunch on crying knobheads who can't get over the hatred they've developed for him venting. Anybody on here, and there are plenty who post stuff like what he's said all they like but he's wrong because he's a massive egotistical bellend and doesn't realise he's a huge part of the problem.

I'm not defending him or his actions. Just saying that what he's said about the club, a lot of it is not wrong but we already knew a lot of it anyway. Some of his comments are just bollocks. The problem is that he's just chosen the wrong platform to air these views. And for that he needs to be shown the door.

Really?

The Firestarter · Nov 17, 2022

Cant believe this shit, some people apparently just now realising what kind of owners the Glazers are.

The Irish Connection · Nov 17, 2022

Remember the geese said:
And if that's all he had said then great. However...

Completely agree there. He needs to go.

Cypriot · Nov 17, 2022

JPRouve said:
That's true for literally every generations, not everyone makes it, the small difference is that current youth players are ready sooner because they are expected to act professionally sooner. And I'm talking about 14 to 20, the current players are more professional than their predecessors.

I don't disagree with that. They do seem more mature football wise from younger ages. I think times have changed and Ronaldo is struggling to deal with it. I'm curious to see how young players at United for example, compared to teams abroad like Juventus & Madrid.

Spoony · Nov 17, 2022

Remember the geese said:
And if that's all he had said then great. However...

If he had half a brain cell, he'd have used an anti Glazer agenda all summer and just got on with everything else. It'd have prompted the sack and kept fans onside. He really is an idiot.

The Irish Connection · Nov 17, 2022

Chesterlestreet said:
Why didn't he come out with this criticism back in 2021? I mean, if it was such a shock to him how badly we were run, and he felt deeply about the fans of this once great club, why the feck didn't he say anything then? Isn't that what someone with half an ounce of genuine integrity would do?

He has no integrity - obviously. He's coming out with this now (after happily taking the Glazers' money for a season and a half) for purely cynical reasons. This is obvious to anyone who isn't shockingly far up his arse.

I’m not up his arse at all. He has been a dickhead from the year dot and he’s been crap on the pitch this season.
He did show his concerns in the summer by wanting out and it was partly due to how slow we were in the transfer market.
I also remember a couple articles last season where he expressed surprise that our facilities were still unchanged.
He should have been moved on in the summer but the bean counters weren’t having it.

JPRouve · Nov 17, 2022

Cypriot said:
I don't disagree with that. They do seem more mature football wise from younger ages. I think times have changed and Ronaldo is struggling to deal with it. I'm curious to see how young players at United for example, compared to teams abroad like Juventus & Madrid.

If you don't disagree with it then why would you try to tell me otherwise? I can understand that Ronaldo being older and also being a football legend can't relate to younger and less talented or maybe driven players, it's a fairly normal thing but outsiders should accept that kind of nonsense, a little bit of critical thing is required in this case and it's not a secret that Football and in particular youth Football has been professionalized in the past 20 years.

Mas Risky · Nov 17, 2022

Oranges038 said:
See your just picking bits that are clearly wrong and applying them to my statement.

His comments about the club, the lack of investment in infrastructure, modernisation, Rangnick, the owners, the stagnation. None of that is wrong.

He's just picked the wrong platform to say it and needs to go.

I despise the Glazers as much as everybody, but for a player to give such comments about his employer while still under 500k/week contract is totally unprofessional.

JPRouve · Nov 17, 2022

The Irish Connection said:
I’m not up his arse at all. He has been a dickhead from the year dot and he’s been crap on the pitch this season.
He did show his concerns in the summer by wanting out and it was partly due to how slow we were in the transfer market.
I also remember a couple articles last season where he expressed surprise that our facilities were still unchanged.
He should have been moved on in the summer but the bean counters weren’t having it.

Which isn't true, they have been changed a fair bit. Also as @Mainoldo mentioned we need to keep in mind that the AON training complex was new in 2003, it's not an old training camp and any expectations to see a completely different site is misguided because those are supposed to be long term structures.

romufc · Nov 17, 2022

Oranges038 said:
See your just picking bits that are clearly wrong and applying them to my statement.

His comments about the club, the lack of investment in infrastructure, modernisation, Rangnick, the owners, the stagnation. None of that is wrong.

He's just picked the wrong platform to say it and needs to go.

What he is saying is what everyone has been saying. Most United fans have been saying this, which is the reason for the Glazer out movement.

Him coming out saying this knowing fully that the fans will side by him if he says what the fans know about the club.

He knows what he is doing, why did he wait now to do this? 18 months after he came? Where was all of this when last season finished?

I dont buy this from Ronaldo. Him saying the new way of football is not for him and running isn't for him when that is what has won the league for the last 5 years. He talks about City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool being ahead but doesn't like that football they play, he wants it to be his style.

Also, regardless of how big the club is, you don't undermine the manager, Ronaldo has done that with Rangnick and EtH then says he prefers to lead by example? What kind of example is he setting?

Finally, we have also seen reports that since EtH has come in, there has been modernisation at the club.

Withnail · Nov 17, 2022

thegregster said:
Plus he is right about the youth players attitude.

Is he? It's only what's been said about the younger generation by every older person since time began.

moses · Nov 17, 2022

GDaly95 said:
I don't think its commendable either.

What's the damage of attacking Ten Hag though? Other than it means Ronaldo is gonski?

I can't imagine for a second that it means the players would lose respect for him. I doubt it puts his job in any kind of peril. It does mean he's more likely to get a striker so there's a positive.

The damage is just the non football shit we have to deal with. Success is usually off the back of being able to direct energies on the teams performance on the pitch. This constant circus is not good for a sports team. It's the main reason re-signing him was an awful idea from the get go.

sullydnl · Nov 17, 2022

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Chesterlestreet · Nov 17, 2022

The Irish Connection said:
He did show his concerns in the summer by wanting out and it was partly due to how slow we were in the transfer market.

Come on, mate - that wasn't it.

He wanted out because he wouldn't get CL football. Mendes started working on his exit as soon as it became clear we wouldn't qualify for this season's CL.

The problem, as it turned out, was that nobody actually wanted him.

As for being up his arse, I'm sorry about that - I didn't mean to imply that you, personally, are that.

mu4c_20le · Nov 17, 2022

Withnail said:
Is he? It's only what's been said about the younger generation by every older person since time began.

And it's literally the same thing we've been saying as well.

kouroux · Nov 17, 2022

Cypriot said:
Exactly, they'll fulfil their 'requirement' and then go home to do what they actually want to do. Ronaldo being the first and last to leave training as he says, is probably what irks him. Some younger players don't put in the extra hard work to make it as a top player. You'll always get out what you put in, and this is why less and less of these 'high potential youngsters' make it to the top - that is the reality of their football careers.

"Less and less of these high potential youngsters" not making it is just your opinion, I've been watching football for over 30 years now. There have always been great talented kids who have never fulfilled their potential, I don't see how one can there are more today than before.

Remember the geese · Nov 17, 2022

Spoony said:
If he had half a brain cell, he'd have used an anti Glazer agenda all summer and just got on with everything else. It'd have prompted the sack and kept fans onside. He really is an idiot.

Yeah he could have gone out as a hero of sorts and used an anti-Glazer stance to mask over his poor performances to some degree. Instead he has no good will from any sensible fan and is just a laughing stock.

Gottabekiddingme · Nov 17, 2022

Ronaldo wins in any scenario. That interview is a genius move the more I think about it :lol:

- They terminate his contract with a payout (Or without if the legal team finds the way). He gets his wish.

- They fine him & let him train alone or with the youths for 6 months on 500K a week. United look petty.

- They fine him and bring him back to the squad and try to humiliate him with late subs. They rob themselves of a squad spot with an unmotivated and toxic player on 500K a week.

tomaldinho1 · Nov 17, 2022

JPRouve said:
How? On the short term you won't get new commercial deals, shirt sales are stable they are not particularly affected by new players regardless of who they are what happens is that the new signings replace current players "sales". Also shirt sales aren't highly lucrative and represent less than Ronaldo's wage. And finally players like Ronaldo lucrativeness is in their ablity to make your team successful, that's where the money is, that's how you get added broadcasting and added cash through prize money.

Also it's extremely important to remember two things, most shirts that people see are fake especially outside of Europe and a large amount of people watch games illegally. Clubs do not get short term revenues from these things.

Maybe for a different thread but it’s Ronaldo related I guess. Shirt sales aren’t really that immediately lucrative at all comparatively for the club, they’re lucrative for the manufacturer. That said in the first 24h Ronaldo made Juve around 7.5m EUR in direct shirt sales which isn’t exactly insignificant (Independent calculated adidas taking 90%). Monetisation even short term would come mainly from social media and strategic partnerships.

When Ronaldo joined Juve, already a huge club and well known particularly in Europe. Their followers across Twitter, Instagram etc. jumped 62% when he signed - their stock increased 11% in a day. In China alone Juve followers on Weibo rose by nearly 70%. China is an icon market, many fans follow players not clubs (same for South Korea and Son where we used to dominate and now lag way behind Spurs as another example. There are now more Spurs fans in Korea than the U.K.) which is what I think Boehly is very aware of with his whole ‘franchise player’ chat.

TheGame · Nov 17, 2022

Ronaldo slagging of the Glazers as if he didn't know who they were when he came to the club. He's just trying to say things the fans want to hear rather than caring for the club. He shouldn't receive any praise for that as it's clearly being done for selfish reasons with an intent to leave anyway.

JPRouve · Nov 17, 2022

kouroux said:
"Less and less of these high potential youngsters" not making it is just your opinion, I've been watching football for over 30 years now. There have always been great talented kids who have never fulfilled their potential, I don't see how one can there are more today than before.

From Ronaldo's generation we have his teammate, Ricardo Quaresma.

Cypriot · Nov 17, 2022

JPRouve said:
If you don't disagree with it then why would you try to tell me otherwise? I can understand that Ronaldo being older and also being a football legend can't relate to younger and less talented or maybe driven players, it's a fairly normal thing but outsiders should accept that kind of nonsense, a little bit of critical thing is required in this case and it's not a secret that Football and in particular youth Football has been professionalized in the past 20 years.

My original point - context. He's right and wrong depending on what he meant. No need to get defensive about it.

alexthelion · Nov 17, 2022

Sandikan said:
He scored 24 last season. That was a decent job I thought!

But his overall play was below the required standard.

The team also scored a lot fewer goals than previously without him.

Withnail · Nov 17, 2022

mu4c_20le said:
And it's literally the same thing we've been saying as well.

You, you mean? Young players are always going to be consistent and seemingly always judged harshly. By his own admission, he doesn't try to teach the young players anything anyway. Like most of his points, it's slightly contradictory.

Rooney24 · Nov 17, 2022

I find the whole Instagram stuff bizarre. They spent a good few minutes on that alone last night. Like who gives one flying feck how many people follow him on Instagram?. But he seemed (and so did Morgan) to think that this was really important.

He wore it like a badge of honour. He actually said this show how many people like me and it helps that Im so good looking. Who talks like that?

He actually thinks every single person that follows him on instagram likes him. It doesn't cross his mind people can still follow him on instagram and think he's a twat.

Mental.

I used to follow Donald Trump on Twitter. I still think he's an utter bell end though.

Cypriot · Nov 17, 2022

kouroux said:
"Less and less of these high potential youngsters" not making it is just your opinion, I've been watching football for over 30 years now. There have always been great talented kids who have never fulfilled their potential, I don't see how one can there are more today than before.

Of course, it's my opinion. This is a discussion on a forum. :lol:

alexthelion · Nov 17, 2022

SAred said:
Do you not find that confusing from protecting his ego, to 2 minute cameos to Captain all in the space of a month

No, why do you?

Circumstances changr from game to game. If that's what the manager wants, then the player(s) should fit to that, not throw a hissy fit because they don't like it.

kouroux · Nov 17, 2022

Cypriot said:
Of course, it's my opinion. This is a discussion on a forum.

Yes, I'd love to know what you based it on though

kouroux · Nov 17, 2022

Rooney24 said:
I find the whole Instagram stuff bizarre. They spent a good few minutes on that alone last night. Like who gives one flying feck how many people follow him on Instagram?. But he seemed (and so did Morgan) to think that this was really important.

He wore it like a badge of honour. He actually said this show how many people like me and it helps that Im so good looking. Who talks like that?

He actually thinks every single person that follows him on instagram likes him. It doesn't cross his mind people can still follow him on instagram and think he's a twat.

Mental.

I used to follow Donald Trump on Twitter. I still think he's an utter bell end though.

There is also the possibility to buy Instagram subs anyway, not saying he needed to do that but some desperate for attention people absolutely do.

Offside · Nov 17, 2022

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This is the same as the "nobody wants to work anymore" thing.

Cristiano Ronaldo: Set to leave by mutual agreement

Is Ronaldo justified to say that he “feels betrayed” by Manchester United?

Ronaldo should be not be allowed to play for United again

He's always been a massive bellend

Messi has always been the better player

He should be begged to come back with double the salary and ten Haag should bow to his greatness

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