Whenever we get a new manager we have 1 decent season and then go back to being shite. Fergie covered up so many cracks. We’re not even a top team anymore. Fergie made us get to the top. Them days are long gone. We’ll never win the league again. We’re a mid table team at best. Anything higher than that and we’ve overachieved.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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'Our recruitment'No manager will solve this club unless there is a serious change in upper management. Our recruitment has been horrible and that is a core reason for our failures
Don't you mean ETH's signings?
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He has tactical acumen equivalent to 10 yo old kid playing FIFA online. Even then im sure the kid wont play McT as DM. He's just a shite manager thats already out of ideas. He's winging it randomly and praying that anything is gonna work.I think Erik Ten Hag is one of the best managers around. He has shown at Ajax that he has the the tactical acumen to excel.
So I've no idea what has actually happened at United. We had a decent first season under him, but everything that we were at good at last season, we've been awful at this year. Can't score, can't defend, even line up properly.
We've run through so many managers that I think it's an 'Us' problem rather than a 'him' issue.
No idea how we resolve it though.
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Yeah that's point. We need to have a functional recruitment and scouting structure in place that doesn't just rely on the manager.'Our recruitment'
Don't you mean ETH's signings?
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Yep. If INEOS want him, they should go test him out at Nice or that Swiss team. Do well there, then you get promoted to UnitedThe longer he's out of a job I am worried
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It predates ETH. We've been having underwhelming signings for a long time now.'Our recruitment'
Don't you mean ETH's signings?
Even with ETH, the point is that he need a recruitment team to override the manager when needed, such as signing Antony for 85 mil. Plenty of good tactical managers aren't nearly as good at recruitment and their require a DOF to help guide signings.
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Who replaces ETH? A functioning football ooerations structure first
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Alonso will never manage United. We would be a huge, unnecessary risk for him plus he played for Liverpool. Add to that that he can basically go to Liverpool in England, Bayern in Germany and Real Madrid in Spain in the future, as another poster suggested already.
I also don't really see a United manager in him either, something would be off but that's just my gut feeling...I rate him highly, though
I also don't really see a United manager in him either, something would be off but that's just my gut feeling...I rate him highly, though
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We have to try to pry Di Zerbi from Brighton. Failing that I don’t see any standout options to replace ETH. Didn’t Zidane say he didn’t want to manage abroad or something?
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He took over a massively struggling Leverkusen last season (similar as United now), stabilized them very well and lead them from relegation danger into the EL. And now in his second season he is still unbeaten and top of the league.why?
That said it's funny to see him getting all the international attention while for people following German football more closely he isn't the one standout manager but has to share that with Hoeneß who does an equally amazing and similar job in Stuttgart.
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This is so true....we have no chance to get him even if we would be in a much better position.Alonso will never manage United. We would be a huge, unnecessary risk for him plus he played for Liverpool. Add to that that he can basically go to Liverpool in England, Bayern in Germany and Real Madrid in Spain in the future, as another poster suggested already.
I also don't really see a United manager in him either, something would be off but that's just my gut feeling...I rate him highly, though
Anyway it is a wrong appointment, zero experience in EPL, zero eye for talent, zero in-game management ability. If you ask all EPL managers if they would sign Antony for 85 million, 100% will say no. Ask any top 6 managers if McTominay is part of XI, 100% will say no. Ask top 6 manager it Hoijund is ready to lead the front line, answer is no. Ask anyone of top 6 if Martinez is their XI centre back pairing, I think all will say no. In other word, United has hire a genius in ETH and back him all the way. Really a joke club, I think INOES will improve this but Erik shouldn't be part of this journey. I am almost sure he will be sack once the season ends.
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I agree De Zerbi looks like the most realistic and best solution out there. Alonso would be perfect but I'm 99% sure he wouldn't consider himself here anytime soon. Potter wouldn't be any improvement. For McKenna, probably too early.We have to try to pry Di Zerbi from Brighton. Failing that I don’t see any standout options to replace ETH. Didn’t Zidane say he didn’t want to manage abroad or something?
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This.Just not Potter
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Weird. Because there's been a massive RedCafe wankfest about the bloke all season.I said De Zerbi weeks ago on here and everyone that replied to me responded negatively.
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I don't know much about Alonso or Hoeneß but did catch first half of game between Stuttgart and Leverkusen , truth to be told Leverkusen were second best during that half and that too by some margin Stuttgart were playing some nice football .He took over a massively struggling Leverkusen last season (similar as United now), stabilized them very well and lead them from relegation danger into the EL. And now in his second season he is still unbeaten and top of the league.
That said it's funny to see him getting all the international attention while for people following German football more closely he isn't the one standout manager but has to share that with Hoeneß who does an equally amazing and similar job in Stuttgart.
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You are absolutely right about that match. Leverkusen really stepped up in the second half and deserved the result they got, but this was another match that highlighted how wasteful Stuttgart are. Which makes it even more insane, that a team that was 16th last season sits in 3rd place now and isn't even lucky to be there but rather unlucky that they wasted so many chances.I don't know much about Alonso or Hoeneß but did catch first half of game between Stuttgart and Leverkusen , truth to be told Leverkusen were second best during that half and that too by some margin Stuttgart were playing some nice football .
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Interim until the end of the season and re-asses in the Summer.
Dont give a rat's ass who interim is. Even a random fan from the stands wouldn't have replaced Mainoo with McT yesterday so Ten Hag is worse than a random interim
Dont give a rat's ass who interim is. Even a random fan from the stands wouldn't have replaced Mainoo with McT yesterday so Ten Hag is worse than a random interim
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Not De Zerbi, not Potter, not Eddie HoweI agree De Zerbi looks like the most realistic and best solution out there. Alonso would be perfect but I'm 99% sure he wouldn't consider himself here anytime soon. Potter wouldn't be any improvement. For McKenna, probably too early.
We need De Zerbi before he joined Brighton, Ange before he joined Spurs, Sir Alex before he was brought to United.
We need relatively unknown manager with a brilliant head, right mentality and vision.
Our new manager shouldn't be managing Rashfords and Pogbas and Sanchos, so we don't need big-name manager. The only one who could do that job just renewed his contract at Madrid, anyway
Our new manager should be in charge of cleared-out squad, full of hungry youngsters and relatively unknown talent.
We will need to forget for several years that we were once top club and get in the mode of rebuilding from scratch. We need to lower expectations and find our own gems. We don't have money to steal other clubs' gems, not anymore
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He’s been tactically dynamite since taking over, plays a really attacking style and has been scoring bags of goals at Leverkusen while also getting great results. Legendary player that has enough clout to handle star studded dressing rooms and is used to the pressure of needing to perform at the highest level.why?
Just feels like the choice with the highest ceiling of the options available.
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They should have been out of sight by half time really wasted some great opportunities , So whats the deal with their manager could he be an option for United .You are absolutely right about that match. Leverkusen really stepped up in the second half and deserved the result they got, but this was another match that highlighted how wasteful Stuttgart are. Which makes it even more insane, that a team that was 16th last season sits in 3rd place now and isn't even lucky to be there but rather unlucky that they wasted so many chances.
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To counter, the first sentence could have been said about ETH 18 months ago, and the second sentence could be said of about 100 active managersHe’s been tactically dynamite since taking over, plays a really attacking style and has been scoring bags of goals at Leverkusen while also getting great results. Legendary player that has enough clout to handle star studded dressing rooms and is used to the pressure of needing to perform at the highest level.
Just feels like the choice with the highest ceiling of the options available.
No manager has won the Premier League without having won major trophies elsewhere beforehand. (Maybe Dalgleish the exception?) It’s a different level now and if we take Ratcliffe’s statement at face value, his main motivation is to have United win the league again
So IMO it’s a risk to take a manager who isn’t already a proven success if United have serious ambitions of rebuilding this team into title winners
But I get it due to your second paragraph which nods to the lack of options
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iraola has impressed me. Definitely one to watch
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Possibly... Sebastian Hoeneß definitely is a promising young manager, if he is ready for a club like United, I don't know. At least he is familiar with taking over struggling clubs and make them play well. Also he knows what it means to work for a big club in the spotlight - Uli Hoeneß is his uncle who lead Bayern Munich over decades, and Uli's brother Dieter, his father, also worked for several German clubs as a DoF over decades.They should have been out of sight by half time really wasted some great opportunities , So whats the deal with their manager could he be an option for United .
Hoeneß worked his way up through the ranks, started as a youth coach in Leipzig and later in Munich (where he moved through U17, U19 and finally U23 - the same team EtH coached at Bayern a few years before). After that he took over Hoffenheim for about 2.5 years and worked roughly on par with what could be expected from that club. And now in Stuttgart he is just doing an amazing job, averages more than 2 points per game since he took over nine months ago. He also is not a dogmatic manager in regard of the used system, while he clearly values attacking possession play, in Stuttgart alone he moved from a 3421 over a 4231 to a 442, depending on form and availability of his players.
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Had a rough Christmas mate? Need someone to talk to?Whenever we get a new manager we have 1 decent season and then go back to being shite. Fergie covered up so many cracks. We’re not even a top team anymore. Fergie made us get to the top. Them days are long gone. We’ll never win the league again. We’re a mid table team at best. Anything higher than that and we’ve overachieved.
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The question is now.... Who do you want to work with a Director of Football and a Head of Recruitment going forwards?
Is it Ten Hag?
Di Zerbi?
Xabi Alonso?
Graham Potter?
My bets Alonso to do the best in the structure it will be going forwards. I wouldn't be against Ten Hag having one more chance if he isn't in charge of the recruitment but the Director and Head of Recruitment need to be confirmed asap.
INEOS have already missed a trick in not confirming one.
I feel they're waiting on Ten Hag to get himself the sack so they can bring a complete new structure in, including a new manager.
Is it Ten Hag?
Di Zerbi?
Xabi Alonso?
Graham Potter?
My bets Alonso to do the best in the structure it will be going forwards. I wouldn't be against Ten Hag having one more chance if he isn't in charge of the recruitment but the Director and Head of Recruitment need to be confirmed asap.
INEOS have already missed a trick in not confirming one.
I feel they're waiting on Ten Hag to get himself the sack so they can bring a complete new structure in, including a new manager.
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Don't have a name for you but an innovative coach who has discovered a way to win games when you don't have any decent midfielders. A sort of anti-Pep.
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Alonso would be my first choice. I love what Emery has done at Villa too.
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Ineos can't confirm anything yet.The question is now.... Who do you want to work with a Director of Football and a Head of Recruitment going forwards?
Is it Ten Hag?
Di Zerbi?
Xabi Alonso?
Graham Potter?
My bets Alonso to do the best in the structure it will be going forwards. I wouldn't be against Ten Hag having one more chance if he isn't in charge of the recruitment but the Director and Head of Recruitment need to be confirmed asap.
INEOS have already missed a trick in not confirming one.
I feel they're waiting on Ten Hag to get himself the sack so they can bring a complete new structure in, including a new manager.
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Surely, first Ratcliffe / Davie Bikes will need to appoint a Director of Football and then the DOF can start the search for a manager if he/she decides that Ten Hag isn’t the long term answer.
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You'd hope the sporting director(s) they hire are the ones charged with hiring/firing managers, otherwise we're just in the same circus with different monkeys.Surely, first Ratcliffe / Davie Bikes will need to appoint a Director of Football and then the DOF can start the search for a manager if he/she decides that Ten Hag isn’t the long term answer.
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Exactly. No point bringing someone else in until the DOF has come in and had a chance to assess everything, put some basics in place etc. You're probably looking at the end of the season, provided we can get the right DOF in fairly quicklyYou'd hope the sporting director(s) they hire are the ones charged with hiring/firing managers, otherwise we're just in the same circus with different monkeys.
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A DOF’s job is to build a squad that’s inline with what the top brass want in a manager. Not to appoint a manager and then sign players for him.Surely, first Ratcliffe / Davie Bikes will need to appoint a Director of Football and then the DOF can start the search for a manager if he/she decides that Ten Hag isn’t the long term answer.
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That could take a few years though.A DOF’s job is to build a squad that’s inline with what the top brass want in a manager. Not to appoint a manager and then sign players for him.
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This is exactly the problem, not just with EtH signings, but our litany of awful signings for years now.'Our recruitment'
Don't you mean ETH's signings?
We don't have a proper scouting and recruitment setup. If we did, Ten Hag wouldn't just sign his old players or lads he's seen that might fit.
EtH might identify Antony, for example, as a signing he would like with attributes for his style of play. At that point our recruitment department should be saying "ok, well here's what we think he's worth. Here's a couple of alternatives if Ajax play hardball, and here's a couple of players that we, as a professional scouting and recruitment team think would be a better fit for a top club like United.
But what happens is, United just go. "Derr ok then, let's sign him!" And proceed to get rinsed for a non-United quality player.
Recruitment and structure will be hopefully sorted out when Ineos team comes in. Football is about joy for fans and obviously Erik is providing a roller coaster ride which most do not enjoy. Ineos should be talking to Steve if he is willing to do an interim job until a new manager is identified. Once Steve agrees, sack Erik immediately and start recruiting process. Hopefully we get someone in in Feb or March, this person has a opportunity to manage actual training sesseions and the last 4-6 games of the season therefore giving him an opportunity identify what positions need to be replaced and Ineos to find those targets. Giving everyone sufficient time to get in new players, get rid of deadwood and go thru pre-season. Sacking Erik at the end of the season doesn't give the new manager any opportunity to assess the players and it will set us back again. Just do it!
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INEOS are in, it shouldn’t take long at allThat could take a few years though.
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And yet we have had all those posts about the club not backing the manager. Wish we would make our mind up.This is exactly the problem, not just with EtH signings, but our litany of awful signings for years now.
We don't have a proper scouting and recruitment setup. If we did, Ten Hag wouldn't just sign his old players or lads he's seen that might fit.
EtH might identify Antony, for example, as a signing he would like with attributes for his style of play. At that point our recruitment department should be saying "ok, well here's what we think he's worth. Here's a couple of alternatives if Ajax play hardball, and here's a couple of players that we, as a professional scouting and recruitment team think would be a better fit for a top club like United.
But what happens is, United just go. "Derr ok then, let's sign him!" And proceed to get rinsed for a non-United quality player.
What probably happened is ETH said I want Antony I dont care what you have to do just get him. I need him in order to achieve what you have asked me to do.
So the club backed the manager, went and got him no matter how much he cost, because he was the player ETH wanted.
Fact is ETH is clueless, the club didn't know that then, neither did we. But we all do now.